whats the point of all these service teams ?????

[Ainx]

Whats the point of all these 34893478934 service teams here on MCM ?
There are literally more service teams than freelancers on here and there are new ones every single day . I know its none of my concern but its getting little annoying.

Why would i just join a service team and just get 80 - 95 % when i can literally make a thread on here and get %100 of the commission . This is technically looting. The services teams profit by literally doing nothing . All they do is post the service team thread in 3-4 forums which an individual freelancer can do it by himself/herself.

It makes sense if you start a service team and hire individuals and pay them a fixed salary instead of stealing a % of their commission by doing literally nothing.

Getting something done through a service team is more expensive in the clients POV as service teams charge their extra fees.

 

[jrcrash]

true. I am sick of this. These teams are taking business from freelancers like myself

 

[Violet]

Idk bro

 

[Itzdlg]

I agree, there's countless service teams each of them with the same rates, same services, it's pointless.

 

[Yohhan]

IDK BRO

 

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Lol, I guess some of them actually put in the effort to build an image and actively do marketing, whereas majority of the owners that make these service teams think it's a easy way for their untalented ass to get money off of the backs of people who actually know their shit (the developers).

 

[Sqanner]

I just don't work with service teams anymore. They all charge more with their added fees. I would much rather work with a well known individual freelancer than giving my money to someone I don't even know anything about.

 

[Ainx]

Lol, I guess some of them actually put in the effort to build an image and actively do marketing, whereas majority of the owners that make these service teams think it's a easy way for their untalented ass to get money off of the backs of people who actually know their shit (the developers).

Still doesn't prove my point wrong. They are still stealing the money . There is nothing that a service team can do that a freelancer alone cant. The max i've seen is a service team do is buy a "sticky thread" . MCM is already a platform that connects freelancers to clients . Why join a service team that takes half of your commission and their shitty fees and tos and crap .

 

[Niteburn]

Going through a service team makes me want to kill myself. It feels like applying for insurance each time.

 

[Ainx]

Lol, I guess some of them actually put in the effort to build an image and actively do marketing, whereas majority of the owners that make these service teams think it's a easy way for their untalented ass to get money off of the backs of people who actually know their shit (the developers).

Service teams are nothing but a 2nd mediator apart from mcm which loots you . If the clients were to come back its for the freelancer not cuz of the service team.

 

[hgbf]

Service teams exist because people want to make money and aren't creative at all. Most teams I've seen here fail after not too long, and that's not surprising.

That said, service teams might be a good option for new people who want to build a portfolio, as they don't have to worry as much about the work of finding a client. That's the one positive thing I can see with it. Other than that, I dislike them.

 

[Brazy]

Well, you see here at Midnight Setups (for some reason setup names gotta b this weird mysterious thing). We like to take the business from all the hard-working freelancers on MC-Market. We assume that if we use some unregistered business name, slap an LLC on it (because who LLC company checks anymore?), and act way more professional on a Minecraft forum for some 13-year-old kids to throw their mommies credit card because they can't look up a simple 5 minute tutorial on how to setup a TeamSpeak server.

We appreciate all the feedback the community has for us and are willing to learn from our mistakes. Thanks for reading!

Sincerely,
Brazy Poopstick
Chairman, CEO, COO, CFO, CAO, CIO, and Janitor of Midnight Setups

edit: i jus wanna say I didn't even realize there was an actual midnight setups and i feel like i should clarify this but im not roasting midnight whatever the fuck they wanna be addressed. its satire. yeah

 

[Landon]

Still doesn't prove my point wrong. They are still stealing the money . There is nothing that a service team can do that a freelancer alone cant. The max i've seen is a service team do is buy a "sticky thread" . MCM is already a platform that connects freelancers to clients . Why join a service team that takes half of your commission and their shitty fees and tos and crap .

They are not stealing money. Economics 101, you pay for services. Service teams offer (more) protection than freelancers do alone (depending on the freelancer of course). That, along side the expedited process of finding you someone capable of being able to do your project is why the up-sale the service, because they are offering a service to you that is not just the project alone.

Anyways, to the point of this thread. I've been off of MC-Market for a hot minute, and last time I was active here, I know Avast/Jenkins were the main ones, and there were tons of smaller ones. There were tons of threads like this, but I would have assumed ever since Avast closed, the little spurts of service teams popping up would have gone with it- guess I was wrong.

Oh well, the reason they exist is because they are extremely profitable. Source: I've owned two of the largest (if not the two largest) service teams on MC-Market. They are extremely eye catching for consumers- someone middlemans the deal to ensure you aren't being scammed and get what you are paid for. It's comforting, because dealing with someone who doesn't have reputation can be weary, and reputable service teams remove that stress and worry.

true. I am sick of this. These teams are taking business from freelancers like myself

If you can't beat them- join them. Service teams offer an amazing outlet to find new clients. Sure, you lose x% of the total deal, but when you are receiving more commissions than while working alone, it becomes worth it in the long run.

(And this is all variant on the service team and the freelancer. Some freelancers are extremely reputable and get more commissions than service teams. But for new freelancers trying to make money and sell their services, it can be hard to do, and buyers are cautious of them.)

 

[SSH]

They fix an issue that they started (freelancers not getting commissions) and take a cut. It's like me breaking your window and charging you to replace it.

 

[Landon]

They fix an issue that they started (freelancers not getting commissions) and take a cut. It's like me breaking your window and charging you to replace it.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[Sky.]

Services Teams as a whole are just sucky business. I used to work as management at one. It’s just money money money. They don’t care about the freelancer, I’ve seen service teams which ping the freelancers 100 times trying to pressure them into a commission. I’ve seen service teams that ping the client 1000 times to get pressure them into buying. Them at the end of the day all their hard work was for a measly 15%. I god damn hate service teams, all they do is sit on their ass making passive income, while the freelancers are the real victims. And the worst part is, the client doesn’t always know. Most people on mc market are just wanting their graphics done, they don’t know about the fee the freelancer charges, it almost makes us look greedy when we charge more than average.
Freelancers already get paid shit, we get paid 20 bucks, for 5 hours of work. Then a service team says Hi I will take your money.

Rant flipping over until someone says something that puts me to the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Sky.]

Honestly, you're right, I can easily get commissions in other ways before services to due to my activity and the Discord servers I am in and MCM of course.

There comes a point where the market has so many teams where it gets harder for freelancers to be unique and actually get commisions. When every other advert is just
[YOUR SHITTY TEAM HERE] Services | Low Quality Slave Labour for the Freelancers while we make money by doing nothing.

it floods the market. It makes small independent creators harder to see as it’s just a bunch of service teams with the same premade bot.

there’s nothing that differentiates the market.

 

[Dessi]

Okay, so what has been said is the case for SOME teams but not all. Take for example I run a development company. However, I pay my developers 100% of the price that they quote. To me, it is ALL about how the team is managed.

For example, all of the developers that I have hired, no one has brought to my attention that they hate working for me. In fact, they love it. A great example of this is one of my contractors Chriisto. He mentioned to an applicant how much he enjoys the company and personally said he loves working for Devoxy. With that being said I do agree that teams should not take any of the freelancer's money as that is money very hard-earned and in a tight market place where they are undercutting most of the time anyway to land a sale, especially on MC-Market where it is highly saturated.

Teams like the ones mentioned that provide all services (Service teams) do generally fail for one of two reasons. They treat their employees wrong and figure that they are a slave to make them money. Or they simply don't have the customer service experience or the management experience to stay open long enough to get the number of sales that they want. Keep in mind that a service team should really only be used as a landing and you need to expand off of it rather quickly to avoid losing clients if you own one. Unless the case you are, say, Senior Team and have the reputation to stay afloat without the need to branch off.

It should also be known that it is usually smaller developers that work for teams to build their portfolio and land new clients that may contact them directly in the future in order to get 100% of the commissions etc. Those are the few benefits I see a developer having to work for a service team.

I would also like to note that I have nothing against Service Teams. I use Midnight Services pretty frequently to get things done that don't usually involve development for my company frequently. Not all of them are bad, but there are bad business practices involved in them. Usually...[DOUBLEPOST=1596855240][/DOUBLEPOST]

Okay, so what has been said is the case for SOME teams but not all. Take for example I run a development company. However, I pay my developers 100% of the price that they quote. To me, it is ALL about how the team is managed.

For example, all of the developers that I have hired, no one has brought to my attention that they hate working for me. In fact, they love it. A great example of this is one of my contractors Chriisto. He mentioned to an applicant how much he enjoys the company and personally said he loves working for Devoxy. With that being said I do agree that teams should not take any of the freelancer's money as that is money very hard-earned and in a tight market place where they are undercutting most of the time anyway to land a sale, especially on MC-Market where it is highly saturated.

Teams like the ones mentioned that provide all services (Service teams) do generally fail for one of two reasons. They treat their employees wrong and figure that they are a slave to make them money. Or they simply don't have the customer service experience or the management experience to stay open long enough to get the number of sales that they want. Keep in mind that a service team should really only be used as a landing and you need to expand off of it rather quickly to avoid losing clients if you own one. Unless the case you are, say, Senior Team and have the reputation to stay afloat without the need to branch off.

It should also be known that it is usually smaller developers that work for teams to build their portfolio and land new clients that may contact them directly in the future in order to get 100% of the commissions etc. Those are the few benefits I see a developer having to work for a service team.

I would also like to note that I have nothing against Service Teams. I use Midnight Services pretty frequently to get things done that don't usually involve development for my company frequently. Not all of them are bad, but there are bad business practices involved in them. Usually...

I do have to add though that I hate when people add LLC to look more professional instead of actually registering. It hurts companies like mine attempting to show clients that they are actually registered instead of lying to give clients a false sense of security.