Why is everyone so mad at SKMN

[CrypticError]

Ikr lol

 

[Ery]

Even if I was, I would not participate in what people were doing to SMK. I MIGHT have been mad but as far as targeting him because of it? That's stupid. If I saw that someone was being targeted, I wouldn't say anything to them. I don't have to be in the "account sales" to know what I would or wouldn't do in such a situation because I know. I don't have to be in the account sales to know what people did was wrong. People can be mad but to straight up target a user and negative rep with a group of people or trash his posts as well as creating threads trashing SMKK isn't logical or civil.

I didn't read all of your comment for the sole fact you lost my interest in it when you tried to defend the people who targeted SMKK by telling me I'm not into account sales.

Please do read through it, I actually brought up some legitimate points and tried to stay neutral and defend both sides.

 

[CrypticError]

https://namemc.com/name/nofoulplaym8

Woah, I totally didn't tell 1/2 the people in shoutbox how to do it.[DOUBLEPOST=1511066564][/DOUBLEPOST]Congrats, you know how to curl.

 

[CrypticError]

^ Well, I wouldn't say he abused anything. It is part of the API.[DOUBLEPOST=1511066791][/DOUBLEPOST]The request that reserves a name serves no other purpose other than to hold a name for a user, so it was clearly intentionally placed there.

 

[CrypticError]

This method was known by a few people BEFORE all this happened.

You told everyone a tad bit too late, since other people had leaked it after they saw this "sniper's" involvement with it

1. After further investigation, this is not a glitch, as I have repeated for the 60th time now. There is no reason to hate on this method of sniping. Is just as legitimate as normal sniping, which is quite a gray area.[DOUBLEPOST=1511066984][/DOUBLEPOST]2. As far as I know, when I publicly posted it, It was the minimum requests required to reserve a name, I didn't say, put in an invalid giftcode and hit enter, which would seemingly be a glitch. Rather, this is a rest endpoint that has no other purpose other than to reserve a name. Therefore, this method is 100% legit...[DOUBLEPOST=1511067044][/DOUBLEPOST]3. I have not even fully implemented this into a sniper yet. I honestly did not have time until early morning today. I will be using this to the fullest extent until it is either changed, or another method comes up and appears to be better...

 

[Lyphiard]

It isn't a glitch, nor is it "abusing" any system (if you really want to go that route, sniping itself is "abusing"). I just think people can't wrap their heads around it because:

• It's brand new and unheard of, the concept doesn't really make much sense, but it's a valid feature
• NameMC inaccurately displays the name as "Blocked", when in reality it's only reserved for 24 hours

 

[CrypticError]

Wait, so your statement that this is not a glitch/bug/exploit is to be taken as a fact? You're having some delusions of grandeur there.
This is not a normal legitimate method of sniping, and everyone knows it. It's not a gray area at all, it's abusing the system to get ahead of others which was not how it was meant to be.

Honestly, at this point, I have repeated myself way too many times...
If you want to dig through the web-requests, go ahead.

Please, just explain why the resource "https://api.mojang.com/user/profile/agent/minecraft/name/$username" returns nothing but a 204 response, and reserves the name for a user? It was clearly placed intentionally by a developer.[DOUBLEPOST=1511067333][/DOUBLEPOST]

It isn't a glitch, nor is it "abusing" any system (if you really want to go that route, sniping itself is "abusing"). I just think people can't wrap their heads around it because:

• It's brand new and unheard of, the concept doesn't really make much sense, but it's a valid feature
• NameMC inaccurately displays the name as "Blocked", when in reality it's only reserved for 24 hours

Thank god, someone with brain cells [DOUBLEPOST=1511067400][/DOUBLEPOST]

It isn't a glitch, nor is it "abusing" any system (if you really want to go that route, sniping itself is "abusing"). I just think people can't wrap their heads around it because:

• It's brand new and unheard of, the concept doesn't really make much sense, but it's a valid feature
• NameMC inaccurately displays the name as "Blocked", when in reality it's only reserved for 24 hours

Actually, scraping/sniping is not abusing, deemed by the the US Justice Department. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay_v._Bidder's_Edge

 

[Allocation]

This is so 3 days ago.

ahah exactly, did we not have a 12 page thread about this like 3-4 days ago LOL

 

[CrypticError]

Unless, as deemed by that same case, your traffic causes significant impairment to the operations of business. But the act of scraping / any botting is not illegal

 

[Lyphiard]

It's not supposed to reserve a name for 24 hours. As opposed to the classical Mojang way of taking a name, it's supposed to reserve the name and instantly take it, but since people used a broken code, it reserves the name but never takes it, and the mojang server never goes back to check if the code was valid. Since it never checks if the code, it reserves the name but never takes it, blocking it for 24 hours.

If Mojang wanted that to be the case, I'd assume they combine that PUT request with the "createProfile" POST request. However, they deliberately created an API endpoint accepting a PUT request and no GC input fields. Imo it's just a weird way of doing things.

 

[CrypticError]

It's not supposed to reserve a name for 24 hours. As opposed to the classical Mojang way of taking a name, it's supposed to reserve the name and instantly take it, but since people used a broken code, it reserves the name but never takes it, and the mojang server never goes back to check if the code was valid. Since it never checks if the code, it reserves the name but never takes it, blocking it for 24 hours.

Either poor design, or intentional planning. I would say the latter tbh. The reason is that there is a completely different claim profile request, which makes this one seem 100% redundant. I am not saying this is the ideal architecture.., but this use is not beyond the scope of what it was intended to do.[DOUBLEPOST=1511068334][/DOUBLEPOST]

If Mojang wanted that to be the case, I'd assume they combine that PUT request with the "createProfile" POST request. However, they deliberately created an API endpoint accepting a PUT request and no GC input fields. Imo it's just a weird way of doing things.

Lol we posted the same thing at the same time xP[DOUBLEPOST=1511068597][/DOUBLEPOST]However, it is quite ironic that the people (99% of the community that does not own snipers) want this disabled.
This method significantly lowers the barrier of entry to sniping, as it reduces the amount of required proxies, and brings the scaling challenges away from raw ip availability, to instead how many accounts you have.

Snipers who pretty much have full control of the market (over hand snipers / personal proxyless sniper), may lose some of that control due to more private snipers using this method, as it takes far less proxies, which previously has been the largest barrier to entry

 

[Benton]

The thing is that Benton, BucketOfSloths, Capaldi, no offense, but you guys aren't involved at all in account sales, so it's hard to relate to the whole situation. It's easy when you don't have any accounts to say it doesn't matter as you're separated from it, but people who are involved with accounts can relate to it. I don't mean this rudely. You guys have your arguments and I agree with many of your points and I have nothing against SMKM at all, but I do have a disliking of what he is doing. The issue here is people openly expressing their hate to SMKM in hostile ways. It's fine to say you don't like what he's doing, that's completely fine, but the issue is when people get hateful and hostile. That, at least how I see it, has sparked a large portion of the conflict. One can argue that it's this being fueled by the anger at his "stealing" of snipes, or one can see it as the anger of him "stealing" snipes is grown by the hate on him that began to occur. It all grows and can be lessened if people keep their mouths shut, or at least stay civilized.

Going off what Capaldi was saying. We don't have to be an account salesman to understand and to have an opinion. I understand everybody's side. I understand why people are mad. They have a reason to be. I would too but at the end of the day. I'll think to myself and fault myself for taking that risk. I even understand the long-term effects of this. My take on it is who cares. We can relate this to Global Warming. People say Global Warming is real but until shit actually gets really shitty. Companies don't care because they're winning. We're going to keep on burning fossil fuel. The same can go with accounts. I'm sure SMKM doesn't care about the long-term effects. He's making money and until it becomes an extremely big problem. Maybe he'll chill out or even better. Make users pay to not have their name snipe by him.

 

[Ery]

Going off what Capaldi was saying. We don't have to be an account salesman to understand and to have an opinion. We know what is and what is right. I understand everybody's side. I understand why people are mad. They have a reason to be. I would too but at the end of the day. I'll think to myself and fault myself for taking that risk. I even understand the long-term effects of this. My take on it is who cares. We can relate this to Global Warming. People say Global Warming is real but until shit actually gets really shitty. Companies don't care because they're winning. We're going to keep on burning fossil fuel. The same can go with accounts. I'm sure SMKM doesn't care about the long-term effects. He's making money and until it becomes an extremely big problem. Maybe he'll chill out or even better. Make users pay to not have their name snipe by him.

I didn't mean it as your opinions are irrelevant, I meant it moreso as that there will obviously be a significant bias between the kind of person.

 

[Benton]

I didn't mean it as your opinions are irrelevant, I meant it moreso as that there will obviously be a significant bias between the kind of person.

If I'm biased. That means those 10-12 people who gave negative rep after Coat are sheep.

 

[Ery]

If I'm biased. That means those 10-12 people who gave negative rep after Coat are sheep.

We all have biases here, there's no removing it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There's just those who admit it and those who just deny it.[DOUBLEPOST=1511073402][/DOUBLEPOST]Capaldi Why do you disagree? I legitimately would like to hear your input on this because I want to know what I may be thinking about unfairly here.