Why is the Discord bot market so overpriced?

[LillianA]

I see a couple bots in the resources and they seem overpriced to me at least,

It might just be a more personal opinion of mine but Discord bots are the easiest thing I have ever programmed, I'm currently making a bot (with literally everything I can think of) that also comes with a web panel (made with angular 7) and features that I don't see in other bots but I still don't feel like its worth more than $5 yet I could knowing this market price it at like $15.

I just don't know why people price something so easy like that to make at like $6.99+ and aren't bringing much special to it and some of them even use fucking boilerplate code from an idiots guide. (Like command handler/event handler)

once again this could just be me but it just kinda bugs me honestly

 

[LillianA]

Discord bots are a (fairly) new thing, untill theres heaps of people undercutting eachother the price won't change.

Its not really new its just the older ones aren't being updated anymore because they have nothing new to add to it and they gave up on it.

And well my bot will be better than any current one in the market and cheaper so maybe some others will go cheaper
its an opinion and a joke dont attack me

 

[Blood]

I agree. People make bots for like $2 that should be free. Namely those very simple "invoice bots". I might release one for free just for fun

 

[LillianA]

I agree. People make bots for like $2 that should be free. Namely those very simple "invoice bots". I might release one for free just for fun

Xev made one recently in .NET Core (2.0?) it seems pretty good but I haven't used it, Only reason I even made my project $5 instead of like 3 is because I decided to add a web panel and RestAPI to it which literally no bot on this market has so - Though I made one before so I'm guilty of that but I wasn't very experienced and I'm still not but I've learned a shit ton since then

 

[Xev]

Xev made one recently in .NET Core (2.0?) it seems pretty good but I haven't used it, Only reason I even made my project $5 instead of like 3 is because I decided to add a web panel and RestAPI to it which literally no bot on this market has so - Though I made one before so I'm guilty of that but I wasn't very experienced and I'm still not but I've learned a shit ton since then

https://www.mc-market.org/resources/9920/

Decent people charge free for the basic bots (Like my resource is free atm) but as the more advanced features get added like web GUI's, the bot begins to actually be worth something, I do agree that some people really do overcharge on here though. When I update my resource to be payed I will likely not charge more than $3.

 

[Azeo]

Xev made one recently in .NET Core (2.0?) it seems pretty good but I haven't used it, Only reason I even made my project $5 instead of like 3 is because I decided to add a web panel and RestAPI to it which literally no bot on this market has so - Though I made one before so I'm guilty of that but I wasn't very experienced and I'm still not but I've learned a shit ton since then

Because they take like fucking 2 hours to create. People that dont code dont understand this.

 

[Blood]

Because they take like fucking 2 hours to create. People that dont code dont understand this.

What is this a response to and are you implying that he doesn't code?

 

[Blood]

He's saying your not paying for how easy or not easy it is to make, your paying for their time.

then that's funny

 

[tiehm]

I am saying this about custom made bots as resources (and reselling) is a different section on a market.

When requesting a service from someone you are paying for their time and their experience/knowledge. You are paying for quality which came out of years of experience. You are paying someone to do it who truly cares, not only about quality but also security.
Due to circumstances, I saw multiple bots/programs which are related to discord from known and lesser-known developers from MCM. What I saw reached from just plain stupid stuff which was done, which no experienced developer would ever do, to security risks where actual user data could have been stolen. The biggest mistake you can do on this site is to trust the word "experienced". A lot of them call themselves experienced while they are certainly not.
Do you have to pay a high price for a "standard" discord bot? Of course not. Will it matter? Probably not. This is until you want a feature added from someone else, until you get the shit ton of errors which the developer can not explain.
Do you have to pay a higher price for more complex bots (which also include web panels, databases and so on)? I would say so! Web panels with user registration are one of the best possible ways to get a few easy emails and passwords. Inexperienced developers do not even seem to know about encryption. Will your password or so get leaked? Probably not, but the risk is there.

The Discord Bot market is WAY underpriced. You will just not see it until you have reached a specific experience and value your time with it. The users on MCM are mostly not happy to pay higher prices and that is why there are not that many highly experienced developers on here or those that are will probably leave quite soon.

Before anyone reacts to this with "You just want easy money". That is not the case as I do not even take commissions for the standard bots or so. I am not even really doing any commissions.

Small Edit: I know that you can not expect highly experienced developers on a site like this.

 

[LillianA]

very long

Yeah something that is made exclusively to one user will be more expensive and I agree with a lot of what you have said, But this post was mainly for resources as those are mass-sold, I saw one bot that's ~$12USD and would take no longer than a few hours to make in TypeScript which is quite a bit of a price for something not complex at all and brings barely anything new to the standard ticket bot. I mean honestly with what I see the prices of other bots I could price mine higher than I feel I should since mine brings features that none of the other resource bots have but since its something I'm mainly doing for fun and more experience with TypeScript (first project with the language) I see no point to price it higher.

also why not just use discord based auth on a discord bot web panel as it'll be easier & more secure than email/password auth

 

[tiehm]

Yeah something that is made exclusively to one user will be more expensive and I agree with a lot of what you have said, But this post was mainly for resources as those are mass-sold, I saw one bot that's ~$12USD and would take no longer than a few hours to make in TypeScript which is quite a bit of a price for something not complex at all and brings barely anything new to the standard ticket bot. I mean honestly with what I see the prices of other bots I could price mine higher than I feel I should since mine brings features that none of the other resource bots have but since its something I'm mainly doing for fun and more experience with TypeScript (first project with the language) I see no point to price it higher.

also why not just use discord based auth on a discord bot web panel as it'll be easier & more secure than email/password auth

You would still need a password for security (your lowest question).

I was also talking about resources a little bit. The biggest issue I saw was that you could access a database... and that was a resource. So, in general, I think it is wrong to say that the market is overpriced. You simply have to differentiate between actual quality work from an experienced developer and work from someone who is not.

 

[LillianA]

You would still need a password for security (your lowest question).

I was also talking about resources a little bit. The biggest issue I saw was that you could access a database... and that was a resource. So, in general, I think it is wrong to say that the market is overpriced. You simply have to differentiate between actual quality work from an experienced developer and work from someone who is not.

Not to familiar with the whole discord based authentication thing since I haven't actually implemented it so I'll take your word for that one, and yeah if say you are using email/password authentication and you are just storing passwords in plaintext making no attempt to secure them you really need to learn.

I get where you're fully coming from saying it isn't overpriced and I agree with a lot of it but from where I'm looking at I see bots like (not trying to trash here but) CoreBot where its priced at $7 and I see nothing new from other bots that are priced cheaper than that one. (There are others of course, just an example) I would rather pay $3 less for something that works just as well while sure the code could possibly be worse it really wouldn't matter to someone who doesn't know how to program or edit the code at all, in a case like that where there's nothing sensitive to be stored and nothing really complex in there either so performance shouldn't be that much if any worse

 

[LillianA]

honestly this is probably mainly just sort of a me thing since I've done so much with discord bots and just don't see the point of paying more than something like $5 for something that's mass-sold and doesn't have anything more than another bot

 

[tiehm]

Not to familiar with the whole discord based authentication thing since I haven't actually implemented it so I'll take your word for that one, and yeah if say you are using email/password authentication and you are just storing passwords in plaintext making no attempt to secure them you really need to learn.

I get where you're fully coming from saying it isn't overpriced and I agree with a lot of it but from where I'm looking at I see bots like (not trying to trash here but) CoreBot where its priced at $7 and I see nothing new from other bots that are priced cheaper than that one. (There are others of course, just an example) I would rather pay $3 less for something that works just as well while sure the code could possibly be worse it really wouldn't matter to someone who doesn't know how to program or edit the code at all, in a case like that where there's nothing sensitive to be stored and nothing really complex in there either so performance shouldn't be that much if any worse

That's the reason why I will soon join that market and beat anyone's prices ^^.

I see where you are coming from though.

 

[ThatTonybo]

If you think bots are too expensive, go grab the Discord developers documentation and learn how to make them yourself.

The market surrounding them is overpriced, and I agree, but it'll calm down after a while. You're still getting many first time programmers joining into the pool, most of which are just copying the examples off discord.js or something and calling themselves a developer, and then they go ahead, apply, join teams, make premade resources and sell them, which is where the "overpricing" is coming from.

I've been making bots for over 2 years now, and the amount of changes I've seen, including the amount of people starting to make bots, the more and more inexperienced ones, and the prices going up, it's kinda scary, but you have to expect it.

My post is a bit rough, but I'm basically saying this: don't complain if you don't know the top-end of it. Honestly, when you get past the basics and mid-level stuff, bots aren't "easy". The API is a piece of shit to work with, especially when you work with the raw gateway and REST API.

 

[Ally]

If you think bots are too expensive, go grab the Discord developers documentation and learn how to make them yourself.

Jesus you say this then you say it's overpriced. Don't you think that, maybe, you're contradicting yourself for the sake of insulting LillianA? Yikes dude.

TypeScript was genuinely wondering. Not to mention that if you manage to write yourself a complete wrapper, you won't have major issues with it. Some examples of these wrappers are:

Python: https://github.com/Rapptz/discord.py
Java: https://github.com/DV8FromTheWorld/JDA
C#: https://github.com/discord-net/Discord.Net https://github.com/suicvne/DiscordSharp
Ruby: https://github.com/meew0/discordrb
Lua: https://github.com/SinisterRectus/Discordia
JavaScript: https://github.com/discordjs/discord.js/