A discussion this community needs to have.

[Jack]

Hi everyone, I am the brand owner of peach hosting (an RX Group LLC brand), you probably know us for our cheap price, and with all the $1/GB host around I was thinking of something.

We are creating a problem ourselves, and that problem is these awfully cheap prices, obviously clients love cheap prices, As an example, we offered budget hosted at $0.50/GB and premium at $1.25/GB the premium was twice as fast as budget, the difference in sells was 50 to 1 in favor of budget.

And you see, this isn't good for this community, at these budgets host, we are all barely breaking even just to provide the community with affordable services, but does it need to be that dirt cheap to where we barely break even?

I don't think so, I believe if every one of us hosting providers in the community keep lowering prices (price matching etc) we will simply kill the community, and it is kinda creating a society where everyone expects these awfully cheap prices, honestly $1/GB and below, is way actually way to cheap, and something somewhere, is making it that cheap, whether it be bad specs, or over allocation, either way, it's not good.

I think we need to change the community mindset, so we don't kill this community because right now we are killing it at this current state, we are.

How can we fix this? should we all raise our prices, to try and stop the community from getting saturated by all the $1/gb host?

If you have any better ideas, please comment.

I wan't everyones opinion on this, because us budget host can't deny this is an issue.

A competitive market is one of the primary features of capitalism. If you can’t offer better services/prices than your competitors, you will go out of business. If you want to make money and sell for higher, then your service needs to be better than your cheaper competitors, and you need to be able to show that to potential customers.
What you're talking about (companies agreeing to raise their prices) is called price fixing and is illegal in the US under antitrust laws.
Maybe you can benchmark your competitors, I'm sure it's not too hard to make a plugin that checks CPU speeds, I/O speeds, and bandwidth. Use that data to show you're better than the rest and an extra $0.75 a month is worth it.
Also part of the problem is 13 year olds who think spending $0.50 per month on a server is a good idea. You get what you pay for. I used to pay $10 a year for a VPS, for website and development needs, but there were so many problems I finally realized it's better just to spend the extra few bucks a month to buy from a better company offering higher quality services, since it's not like I can't afford it. Anyone who's serious about the quality of their server will understand that eventually.

 

[Hoot]

I’ve made a suggestion to “clean up” the hosting section months ago. It’s currently pending. For those really interested in improving this section, take a look at my thread and reply with your opinions on what else you think should be done. https://www.mc-market.org/threads/250911/

 

[peeVpee]

That's a little high in my opinion, but at least some host can make living wages off of it, and pay support staff wages even.

I’ve made a suggestion to “clean up” the hosting section months ago. It’s currently pending. For those really interested in improving this section, take a look at my thread and reply with your opinions on what else you think should be done. https://www.mc-market.org/threads/250911/

Agree with this, would be great.

 

[Huhhoo]

They're probably overallocating or just hosted on a bad hardware.

At least we run on Intel 6700K and never overallocate anything

Stop advertising fr.

 

[Filbie]

Let's all go back to $5 a GB [DOUBLEPOST=1521953261][/DOUBLEPOST]So we can start paying the sales reps actual livable wages!

Fuck no that's what started ovh resellers you nim wit

 

[Huhhoo]

Fuck no that's what started ovh resellers you nim wit

First of all, don't call me that or we will have a real problem.
Secondly, what's wrong with OVH? Ya know, the largest hosting provider in the world and great servers for great prices? Why not use OVH? I would rather have is hosted on OVH's network than some random dedicated server from Contabo!

Stupid man, don't start trying to call people out unless you know what you're talking about.

 

[Filbie]

First of all, don't call me that or we will have a real problem.
Secondly, what's wrong with OVH? Ya know, the largest hosting provider in the world and great servers for great prices? Why not use OVH? I would rather have is hosted on OVH's network than some random dedicated server from Contabo!

Stupid man, don't start trying to call people out unless you know what you're talking about.

You didn't even use any evidence you just said it was good, the reason it's trash is because you can go on OVH and buy it for cheaper people take advantage of you with reselling.

 

[Huhhoo]

You didn't even use any evidence you just said it was good, the reason it's trash is because you can go on OVH and buy it for cheaper people take advantage of you with reselling.

Most people buying from resellers using OVH don't know how to use a VPS and want a simple and easy to use system to host their MC server. So what's the issue?

 

[Cal]

I swear to god this market is full of pyramid schemes and people trying to get everyone to price-fix.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/com...itrust-laws/dealings-competitors/price-fixing

Might of been a bad idea to slap your LLC on a post about trying to get people to commit some very illegal acts

 

[Jack]

I swear to god this market is full of pyramid schemes and people trying to get everyone to price-fix.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/com...itrust-laws/dealings-competitors/price-fixing

Might of been a bad idea to slap your LLC on a post about trying to get people to commit some very illegal acts

Yeah already mentioned this lol.

 

[Filbie]

"If you can't stay in the game you don't belong"

 

[El_Tristanio]

Honestly, For hosts that want to provide services with NVME drives, High frequency cpus, High frequency ram, etc. This is bad, because you have hosts as low as 50c/gb that are shitty, compared to the amazing $2/gb hosts. Maybe even more.

 

[Huhhoo]

Honestly, For hosts that want to provide services with NVME drives, High frequency cpus, High frequency ram, etc. This is bad, because you have hosts as low as 50c/gb that are shitty, compared to the amazing $2/gb hosts. Maybe even more.

As Frank has stated, NVMe drives don't make a difference in MC hosting.

 

[rexs123]

As Frank has stated, NVMe drives don't make a difference in MC hosting.

He's also extremely incorrect. lol

Right minecraft writes the world almost every 1 - 2s from a memory based buffer as you know so if you have a SSD that's doing roughly 300-400MB/s, an NVMe SSD that's doing 600MB/s read and write would heavily impact that performance.

Please don't take one persons Incorrect opinion on something you yourself haven't done adequate research on.

Look simple facts don't lie;

He problem Linus speaks about is that price tag. And that's the same I'd assume Halcyon is implying they're not cost effective and he's miss informing people to skew the market to continue to purchase from his host.
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/869903-nvme-or-ssd-as-boot-scratch-disk/ http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-ssds,3891.html

All posts state the sequential read and writes are a MASSIVE impact on their performance.

Thanks,
Rexs123

 

[n0tzach]

I'm waiting for penny hosting

 

[Omar]

Well I say to fix this all and for all budget and non budget host to make profit is to change there pricing together and so the clients wont have any other host to go to and will have to choose over the quality of the host instead of the pricing if even every host decide to change there price to one price, if you want to cover up that PayPal fees and still make profit as a host then 1.35$ is the price to start at for hosting's.

 

[Kuo]

Well this is a 50/50 point. We cant justify prices because currency is always fluctuating and has no real stability anymore, its up to the host itself if they want really cheap budget prices or decent prices to make a profit on. We cant really change that, yes there is precautions MC-Market could do the ensure there is no waste of a clients time at a hosting company, but then it wouldn't be a market. Its about competition and the best way to draw in customers, a very good example of this would be PebbleHost, They did what every hosting company did, they offer good priced servers but the way they drawed in a lot more customers would be there VDS, which I have never seen on another hosting company before. Its all about new ideas and how the market them. 50c/GB really isnt the way future, but if it is the way people are marketing there product we have no real way to stop it, we cant refuse them selling rights because hosting a server on a video game isnt illigal, but selling there clients info to 3rd partys is. Thats a bad part about the budget and overpriced hosting companies, budget hosts may offer good dedi's with decent specs and good support times but behind the scenes there is more happening. But this can be at any company without us knowing.

The overall look on this is, we cant change the way hosting is payed at because its not up to the customer, its up to the hosting company for the prices, if they want to lower the prices to draw in customers let them. MC Market cant stop this because this is a market place, anyone trying to make a living can use here. Yes there methods may not be the best but at the end of the day if the customer is happy and is getting everything they need let them. Sooner or later reselling servers from OVH will be gone and almost everyone would have bought there own Dedicated Server so they can offer the prices which are wanted. To be honest its best if we leave the economy to its thing. Because we cant really change it.

 

[peeVpee]

Well, I think it is a good idea to increase prices back up, you can't just suddenly change from 1/gb to 5+/gb, I think hosts would have to increase gradually, maybe like 2/gb

Yep, I think lowering and lowering prices will just kill the community.

$2/gb+ is healthy.