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Hi,

First of all, this is a thread which states my personal opinion. The outcome of the poll is just to give us an idea. I promise in no way that what gets voted the most will actually happen. Mick and tjrgg are sleeping so I thought I'd pick up some opinions so we can take actions fast.

As most of you know, Mojang has been locking a lot of accounts lately. Many people just lost access to their accounts and have no way to recover them.

Let me give my personal opinion on the entire account selling thing and after that I'll address some (possible) solutions. IMO there's no real solution to this.

I personally find the entire business toxic. It's not moral, most likely not legal and just a stupid thing. You steal someone's account, sell it and make your pocket money with that? Yeah, that just sounds terrible. Let's also not mention it's a very unstable business in many ways. Locking accounts, People TID'ing their accounts back, and the list just goes on and on. When I became admin back in August, I told the previous owner the same thing and I was honestly thinking "Removing the sale of accounts could actually make the forum less toxic and less of a scam paradise". Many months after that thought, I can confirm it 100%. I went through many threads, scam reports and sections and I believe removing the account section would be one of the best moves for the future of MC-Market.

Another that's worth mentioning, Scam reports. I don't see any possible solution to the countless chargebacks that will occur. So I highly doubt we could providing further support on scam reports regarding account sales.

So, what solutions do I see:
  • The most logical and most effective would be to disallow the sale of accounts on the entire forum completely. We can't do something like "remove the sections but allow sale of it". We either allow it, or not at all. Reason behind this is scam reports. Now you might say, "Allow the sale of accounts but don't provide support on scam reports." - We can't do that. If someone scams by selling accounts, we'd have a scammer on the forum, everyone would be calling him a scammer while it can't be resolved via a scam report.
  • Ignore the entire situation and continue the sale of accounts. - I really can't see this happening. I just can't...
Suggest anything as I'm completely out of ideas. I'll add anything reasonable to the list and poll.

As for MCM's future, most people are saying "RIP MCM". I think this is far from true. Sure, sale of accounts is a big thing. Sure, it's bringing a lot of traffic. However, removing it will not make the forum die. I personally have been brainstorming around MCM ever since I've joined the staff team and i've shared some of my secret ideas which could make MCM grow with some people and most of them liked them! However right now, the forum is improving, but accounts are not worth having anymore with these recent events. The amount of reports, scam reports and administration it brings along simply makes it not worth having imo.

I never really showed this much hate against the entire account selling business but I think it's getting really terrible now and I'd personally like to see accounts removed from MC-Market completely.

Vote. If you have anything to say, please don't hesitate to do so.

Keep everything on topic and clean. I'll remove any posts which are irrelevant and don't contribute to the thread. it's a serious thing and should be treated as such.
 
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If you don't want it removed. What do you suggest otherwise? I'm open for any suggestions.
From general guessing & reading through the rules, selling of accounts like Netflix & Spotify is bannable. Imo, I feel it should be allowed, as you'll find them all over slut.io. Maybe another category would be the selling of proxy lists. I've made a scraper that gets about 500k proxies per scrape.
 

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Furthermore, this poll is totally bias. You did not think about that when you created it.

"Who votes that Jews should not be able to go and pray at Mosques?"

Everyone who isn't Jewish votes yes, sorry for my dreadful anecdote, but you comprehend what I am trying to get across.


Asking the majority for a decision that is about a minority - not too fair.

People who make hundreds USD with accounts are voting yes on this poll, what's your point?[DOUBLEPOST=1456781782,1456781761][/DOUBLEPOST]
Ajdin

You have to have a TID to sell the account, and you register it on MC-Market.
Okay? Mojang can still lock the account.
 

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People who make hundreds USD with accounts are voting yes on this poll, what's your point?[DOUBLEPOST=1456781782,1456781761][/DOUBLEPOST]
Okay? Mojang can still lock the account.
If you have the TID you can get it back though. (I think.)
 

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I think it's important not to make any knee-jerk reactions here.

Let's not all forget that accounts are really the main reason MC-Market was ever successful and it is ultimately the life-blood of this website. Selling OG's has always been an easy way for kids to quickly make a bit of money and kids coming here bringing new blood to the market has been what has kept this site going. OG accounts are what set this forum apart from other big Minecraft forums such as Spigot, which already offer many of the other service MC-Market has.

There will still be methods of selling accounts moving into the future. People will always find a way. Banning the sale of these accounts will simply force people to move elsewhere to find them, and honestly MC-Market already seems like a site that is on the way down. This would just increase the speed at which this site goes under immensely.

I think we should all calm down and wait and see how all of this plays out. In a week, it's possible most this shit will have blown over some way or another.

Morally/ethically speaking, we can all agree selling cracked accounts is wrong, but so is a lot of the stuff that goes on within the confines of the internet and so I don't really thing it's that big of a deal. It's not like people are being murdered. Most people that have their accounts cracked are people that don't care very much about Minecraft or else they'd be able to easily get their accounts back. I don't think it's possible to really justify the sale of these cracked accounts, but the simple fact is that OG accounts are very important to this website and simply removing them entirely would be a very, very big mistake if you guys want this site to continue being a large market.

Give it a week to make any major decisions like these. Don't just immediately ban the sale of all accounts - let's see how it all plays out first.

As for the scam reports, I think it should be like this:

Any accounts sold before today (2/29/16) should be immune to scam reports under the basis that these accounts were likely locked by Mojang and the fault of this does not lie entirely with the seller. Anyone purchasing an account should have known the risks involved.

Post 2/29/16, there needs to be an announcement at the top of the OG section like there is in the investments section warning people that their accounts could be locked by Mojang and that it is against the TOS. Buying any account is at their own risk.

Warn people of all the dangers involved, and if they still decide to buy an account and it gets locked, that's their own fault. That's all that really needs to happen. I think buyers should be free to decide what they want to risk.
 

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People who make money out of this business should be the only ones voting. It does not affect anyone else in particular. Simply sell at your own risk. Mojang can't lock the account if it has a TID, since you can contact them with a TID to get it back (which I did, and it worked).
I don't think you're entirely up to date with the situation. Can someone else explain Ew what's up please.
 

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What about adding a account section that has nothing to do with the marketplace? Just a place where you can simply brag about your OG's
 
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Remove MClaim, because most accounts will be locked on there as well. I also vote to remove all posts about accounts and older ones also. Just for the protection of the people who bought accounts for a lot of money. So they dont suffer the consequences.
 

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I'm not going to suggest anything here as I don't think much can be done regarding accounts right now but I must say removing them would be a bad idea. As a few users have already stated Mc-Market did grow off account sales and this section of our forums is pretty popular. Removing it would just make all the account sellers go elsewhere. Do we really need to lose more members?
 

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Start being arrogant because you realise how silly it was to make a poll.

I know the current situation - if you don't want your accounts banned then DON'T sell? Or sell inconspicuously.

I can't understand - are you jealous of other people earning money?

Something is up..
You are the *smartest* person I have seen on MCM.[DOUBLEPOST=1456782256][/DOUBLEPOST]
I'm not going to suggest anything here as I don't think much can be done regarding accounts right now but I must say removing them would be a bad idea. As a few users have already stated Mc-Market did grow off account sales and this section of our forums is pretty popular. Removing it would just make all the account sellers go elsewhere. Do we really need to lose more members?
Anything would be safer to sell accounts on than MCM at the moment.
 

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You are the *smartest* person I have seen on MCM.[DOUBLEPOST=1456782256][/DOUBLEPOST]
Anything would be safer to sell accounts on than MCM at the moment.
You're right. There has always been a risk in this business. Having accounts locked was always a possibility and people knew the risks.
 

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Ok. lets have chat!

One of the Mojang enforcement staff has been viewing the OG Accounts section and has locked all of the accounts for sale pretty much. The only reason people here loose them is because they sell them and everyone can see it.

Ajdin MCM can get sued for this perhaps. I'd remove it and allow the sale of accounts through Shoutbox and PM. Maybe just allow the BUYING of accounts.
 

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I say you can only sell accounts that you can prove that you bought directly from Minecraft.net
 

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There are many people who make their money from re-selling accounts. Some people steal these accounts, but some people either got them legitimately or were sold them for a reasonable price. I've always seen the account business as a place full of danger and a worthless place to waste your money. What is so great about being able to exclaim "I have a cool minecraft username!"???
But then we have the issue that many people (although it isn't allowed by Mojang) sell their accounts for prices that are completely legit (according to experts) and that is completely fine (except to Mojang.) That is how many people on this forum get money. Saying that there shall be no more selling of accounts makes us lose a lot of members - but not as many as mojang will lock out of their accounts.
I believe that the sale of accounts should be stopped, at least on MCM, because not only is it against Mojang's Bill of Rights but it is also a huge waste of money. I understand that there are a lot of people that will be mad, but it is only going to make everything better in the long run.
Now, on the topic of scam reports - I agree with BeBosny 100%. There is really nothing MCM can do if someone is scamming for an account (or charging back after receiving an account). Either way, someone is getting scammed - and MCM staff can't retrieve the money or the account. All they can do is ban the person and prevent further scamming.

To comment on Public vs. Private sale - MCM is a public site, which means that Mojang can scroll through the accounts for sale and lock them one by one - which they are doing. I think that people should privately sell accounts if it is necessary - not on MCM. Whoever is running this black market will have to deal with Mojang, so MCM can run smoothly. There is so much more to MCM than account sales (although the majority of mcm is og sales.)

I have much more to say but I will stop my rant right here.
 
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