Allow Donors to Scan Members

[GS]

This is kinda a feature on another site but I feel it could bring use to MCM. on the other site you press scan and it shows all accounts that were registered using that IP so you can see if someone is evading and make sure not to deal with em.

 

[Floydd]

this would help loaning so much, i mean, if they are ban evading and a scammer, we could know

 

[markd]

I use a vpn, im allowed to because I have supreme. So if someone would to scan me and would to come back to 100 different users who are banned.. does that make me a scammer lol

 

[0cp]

Yeah I got scammed $25 from someone that was ban evading. Why not add an auto-ban?

 

[Kram]

Yeah I got scammed $25 from someone that was ban evading. Why not add an auto-ban?

That is even worse, we do have a system that gives accounts that it thinks that are ban evaders or alts but that still has false positives so if we use that to auto ban, there will be a lot more appeals to handle.

 

[EpicFooF]

this would help loaning so much, i mean, if they are ban evading and a scammer, we could know

No you couldn't know. Read the posts before you. You can't decide whether someone is ban evading or not by an IP scan.

Kram just said "Let me put it this way, every single user that has responded to this thread has ip links to others."
So are we all ban evading? Please at least read the thread before you base your opinion on something false.

 

[Floydd]

No you couldn't know. Read the posts before you. You can't decide whether someone is ban evading or not by an IP scan.

Kram just said "Let me put it this way, every single user that has responded to this thread has ip links to others."
So are we all ban evading? Please at least read the thread before you base your opinion on something false.

Either way, knowing if they are ban evading and are a scammer, we could know, and not deal with them, it’s not really that complicated as you put it lol

 

[EpicFooF]

Either way, knowing if they are ban evading and are a scammer, we could know, and not deal with them, it’s not really that complicated as you put it lol

For some reason you refuse to understand that even you hold a shared IP with already existing members on this site. Would you want people to think you're a ban evader? So let's ban you now already.

 

[Dead4Now]

I'm not sure if this works but like if you went on holiday somewhere which had free or paid WiFi for that matter which always used the same IP not matter what device you use to access the WiFi and someone of MCM had already been, logged onto to their WiFi, and then proceeded to logon to MCM, and later/or at the same time get them self banned or scam someone, it could be brought up if someone else from MCM went to the same holiday location and used the same website to logon to their MCM account?

Because it would be the same WiFi?

And said person doesn't need to even get banned etc. they could just get warned/punished for having a "alt".

Let me know if this is how it works sounds right to me but idk.

PS; I get that it's not a particularly high chance of you coincidentally going to the same holiday location and logging into the same WiFi but to end it you never know, especially if it is in a particularly popular package holiday.

 

[Jayson]

Yeah I got scammed $25 from someone that was ban evading. Why not add an auto-ban?

We depend on more variables than just IPs. If we factored that in and auto banned, however, people would know immediately if they’ve been caught, allowing them to determine the perfect getaway. People don’t get sales right away. A delay helps make sure they don’t slip under our radar permanently and even provides more information we can use to catch them later. Plus, less false bans.

 

[Candidates]

tbh I don't even understand why supreme members are allowed to use VPN's. If they are then scammers can easily ban evade as well as charging back on the supreme account and re-buying it on a different account. Doesn't seem logical to me. So all those kids saying they use 'VPN's' it's your fault for using one. I don't even still understand why people use VPN's unless if your using a public wiFi or school wifi which has websites blocked (despite you shouldn't be using school wifi either way)

 

[Sloth]

Weird how all of the scam resolvers disagree'd on this, but this would decrease the amount of ban evaders which in the long run will decrease the amount of scam reports?? Like hello?

Ban evasions and scamming aren’t mutually exclusive. Someone could be ban evading for breaking any of the other countless rules on the forums.[DOUBLEPOST=1556580249][/DOUBLEPOST]Has anyone ever heard of the Red Scare? It was this time in the U.S. back in the forties and fifties where this massive wave of communist hysteria swept over the country. People were accusing one another of being communists left and right without any actual evidence and it created an extremely paranoid atmosphere.

I bring this up because that's exactly what this kind of tool would do to Mc-Market. People would be accusing each other left and right of being ban evaders on nothing more than an IP address. Wave upon wave of baseless accusations that would only serve to divide the users of this website. On top of that can you imagine the amount of negative reputations people would begin leaving? If you think it takes a while to receive a response on your support requests now, imagine the time it'll take when people are submitting them left and right to dispute their reputation.

 

[root]

Well if MCM IP bans people which I'm assuming they must because that would be the most preventative way to get rid them, unless they change IPs every time, which would then make it pointless.

Incorrect, they do not IP ban unless they really need too.
This is why banned users can join with their name being something like root_APPEAL, etc.

I think you should change the suggestion to "ip-ban members". I also don't think it's right to only give donors the ability to deal safely, and they will eventually be spammed in PMs by rankless users to check on other members...

IP's are public information, however people may use them maliciously.
Giving this feature to only donators will make the site safer than it is currently. Also IP banning members is a horrible idea, keep in mind people have family and this will punish them. I have a brother myself and he got banned for being underaged if they were to IP ban him I would have lost access when I had done nothing wrong.

You're literally ignoring the reasons. You can't count on IP to tell who is alting and who is not.

Yes, you cannot 100% count on it however if someone has ties to an accounts hmay have been

I use a vpn, im allowed to because I have supreme. So if someone would to scan me and would to come back to 100 different users who are banned.. does that make me a scammer lol

No, it would mean you are masking your IP, public VPN IP's are documented and can be marked as a VPN IP.

 

[YourPanda]

He literally didn't say he wanted staff features. He said he wanted a way where he COULD check if the player is ALTING just to make sure if he needs to deal with caution. He didn't mention ANYTHING about BANNING the user or anything related to what staff are meant to be doing.

You should deal with caution with ever member. Reputable or not.

 

[BOOP]

When I first read the title of this thread, I thought someone misspelled 'scam' as 'scan', and thought it was a joke suggestion

 

[0cp]

That is even worse, we do have a system that gives accounts that it thinks that are ban evaders or alts but that still has false positives so if we use that to auto ban, there will be a lot more appeals to handle.

Okay, sorry. I didn't know the system gives false positives or how it works my bad

 

[EpicFooF]

IP's are public information, however people may use them maliciously.
Giving this feature to only donators will make the site safer than it is currently. Also IP banning members is a horrible idea, keep in mind people have family and this will punish them. I have a brother myself and he got banned for being underaged if they were to IP ban him I would have lost access when I had done nothing wrong.


Yes, you cannot 100% count on it however if someone has ties to an accounts hmay have been

After I read lotus’s post I understood why ip bans are not a thing, and I kind of disagree with what I said there.
Giving this feature to ANYONE would cause drama. It would cause false drama, slandering and accusations over mostly innocent members. Believe it or not, me and you have IP links to other members on this market. Yes. Do you want people to slander you and claim you’re a retarded ban evader, or people to avoid dealing with you for that?

This feature will not be added since it has more cons than pros. Actually it has 0 pros, so whatever anyone says here is kind of useless.

 

[Tofty]

IPs aren’t always reliable - I remember asking Doge (former Moderator) who’s IP I shared, because I thought my account had been breached. It came up with a list of results, none of which I knew, but I still promptly changed my password and enabled 2Factor Authentication.

I run a loans service on MCM, which is obviously quite a risky business in terms of scammers. I regularly get people asking me for loans on MCM who then go on to be banned for ban evading the next day - the amount of money I could’ve lost should I have accepted these loans (which I nearly did on multiple occasions) is insane.

Last night, I received a loan request from someone on Discord who had an underdeveloped MCM profile, and had joined recently. He was only requesting a small amount, so I was going to take the risk. Luckily, Lotus was talking to me in the shoutbox, so I asked to have the user checked. He was banned.

I haven’t been scammed yet (touch wood), but I’m always quite wary, and I know of plenty of loaners who’ve been scammed of big amounts by ban evaders who just hadn’t been caught. Allowing users to check ban evaders through IPs would be beneficial to people like me and would reduce the amount of scams that currently take place on MCM - which also cuts down on scam reports and support requests, and saves staff time too. It’s a win win.

Yes, IPs aren’t always reliable, and aren’t perfect, but being able to check them will help people like me, and others across the website in preventing scams.