An MCM Overhaul.

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It is no secret that the opinion towards MCM has been on a downward spiral.

I would like to say the public opinion on MCM really started to downturn around the time Glove publicly announced his quitting the market. Prior to that it seems as though people were expressing that the market seemed to be stagnating and failing. However this did not turn negative until around Glove's exit.

The Causes
MC-Market is a forum of creators, not managed by creators. This discrepancy causes a difference in ideals in how the site should be run. Most people on the site use it as a platform for their services, however when the system is not supportive of that, they will grow angry and eventually, disappear.

Support
In it's current state, MCM will not run itself without human oversight. When the people that moderate and administrate the site are not moderating the platform, then any rules that are in place do not matter. There have been numerous cases of users on MCM such as myself experience ticket wait times of weeks. For a site that is filled to the brim with very competent, high skilled, and well spoken individuals already familiar with the rules and terms of the site, you would expect the platform to have no trouble expanding it's team or replacing those that aren't meeting the demand. These delays on a platform receiving the revenue of MCM and on the scale of MCM are unacceptable.

Scam Reports
I acknowledge that MCM has hired a new scam resolver, however seeing as he hasn't been on since Monday (posting this on Wednesday https://gyazo.com/a8a78bb311a2d07a4d6c75af20d8f601) and his counterpart has posted a grand total of twice since last Thursday at the time of writing this. These delays make the single most important principle of any transaction, trust, an unreliable. Scam Reports not only help bring peace of mind to those doing deals, but they allow those who get caught in scams, more often new members (the main source of MCM's revenue[Ads and ranks]) to have a way to fight against those who pull these scams. Scamming is inevitable, but with proper moderation, it can at least null some of the impact of it, impact which is being felt by the community very heavily currently.

Change is overrated
If there is one thing MC-Market administration is really good at, it's maintaining the status quo. Going through the previous 10 announcements, the notable changes to the platform have been (in objective descending order)
1) Various Staff Position Changes
2) A new theme
3) Business accounts
4) Forum reorganization
All of these changes are so minor, that you likely forgot about most of them, and this is where the problem arises. Though staff will be quick to say "we've still been increasing members at X rate." there comes a point where this stagnation of the forum will lead to a less interested and thereby less active userbase. The members in the shoutbox today are not the same members that were in the shoutbox 2 months ago. This is indicative of the nature of MCM, many members fading into obscurity due to it's being unable to retain interest. This is a failure of a system, and it will only be increased with the new problems arising.

The Solution
The major problems with the site are able to be fixed with relative ease. Despite the site administrators best efforts to maintain the status quo, a large change in needed. MC-Market's team needs an overhaul. The root of the overwhelming majority of these issues stem from the moderators and administrators of the site. The staff of MC-Market need new members, with fresh ideas, coming from a more diverse background. MCM needs to hit this growing mob of those growing weary of the failing system head on. Whatever you are trying to do now is not working. An ideological shift is needed, not brothers of current staff with no knowledge of the platform, not chatmods with no real impact on the site, real change is needed, or MC-Market will be facing a mob much bigger than it's current small but loud minority.

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Going to point something out:

Justis's fulltime job is MCM, while M6Gaming and Lion don't work fulltime
 

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why would they care? its not like people wont stop coming to mcm and their is no better alternative lol
i mean i always hated the system and i think its corrupt and was always corrupt but yeah i dont understand how glove has anything to do with this situation? i mean the market has changed but not the whole forum
 

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Just gonna post here before Mick locks it and says something along the lines of "We are improving the site day by day. We plan on hiring more staff as well. MCM is not dying" like usual. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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People always try to find excuses for M6. M6 has been slacking since December lmao. I can't speak for Lion as he doesn't have many posts but I assume he is just following in his brothers footsteps as Lion couldn't handle a conversation and went to his brother when people were discussing and we all know how M6 is when people discuss things in relating to scam reports or him! He uses his powers to delete threads who suggest more scam resolvers, warns people for rules they don't break simply because he's stretching to get them punished and then there's Mick, who doesn't care and defends his staff. He won't overrule them if they've falsely punished a user, he'll let it be.
Just pointing something else out, wasn't meant to be an excuse for M6 slacking, but whatever

The point of me posting that is because of what Justis said about a fit candidate for staff. There won't be many people willing to make their fulltime job MCM, and the amount people that have the time to actually do the job fulltime will be even harder to find. The work by itself is minimal and easy, but everything else that comes with it is not.
 

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A new update to MCM, would very a lot be beneficial. Lots of people don't use the site anymore since of some of the problems, etc. A Reconstruction and change would help.
It is more about the ownership and management than the features.
 

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    People always try to find excuses for M6. M6 has been slacking since December lmao. I can't speak for Lion as he doesn't have many posts but I assume he is just following in his brothers footsteps as Lion couldn't handle a conversation and went to his brother when people were discussing and we all know how M6 is when people discuss things in relating to scam reports or him! He uses his powers to delete threads who suggest more scam resolvers, warns people for rules they don't break simply because he's stretching to get them punished and then there's Mick, who doesn't care and defends his staff. He won't overrule them if they've falsely punished a user, he'll let it be.
    Just pointing something else out, wasn't meant to be an excuse for M6 slacking, but whatever

    The point of me posting that is because of what Justis said about a fit candidate for staff. There won't be many people willing to make their fulltime job MCM, and the amount people that have the time to actually do the job fulltime will be even harder to find. The work by itself is minimal and easy, but everything else that comes with it is not.




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    A new update to MCM, would very a lot be beneficial. Lots of people don't use the site anymore since of some of the problems, etc. A Reconstruction and change would help.
    It is more about the ownership and management than the features.

 

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Change is overrated
If there is one thing MC-Market administration is really good at, it's maintaining the status quo. Going through the previous 10 announcements, the notable changes to the platform have been (in objective descending order)
1) Various Staff Position Changes
2) A new theme
3) Business accounts
4) Forum reorganization
All of these changes are so minor, that you likely forgot about most of them, and this is where the problem arises. Though staff will be quick to say "we've still been increasing members at X rate." there comes a point where this stagnation of the forum will lead to a less interested and thereby less active userbase. The members in the shoutbox today are not the same members that were in the shoutbox 2 months ago. This is indicative of the nature of MCM, many members fading into obscurity due to it's being unable to retain interest. This is a failure of a system, and it will only be increased with the new problems arising.

A big +1 on this. I don't even like the whole idea about 'updates' for a forum. The majority of my changes weren't even announced. At one point I was considering making a 'changelog' thread which I'd just add changes to.

I'm also very curious to see what changes Mick wants to make which require so much development resources. I think most issues with MC-Market at this point are with reports, support tickets and scam reports.

Also, the irony about the business account system is that it was finished back when I was administrator. I just felt like it wasn't ready for deployment policy wise. I wasn't sure what rules and policies to implement along side it so I decided to postpone it. Business accounts are one of the most underrated systems on this forum at this point. There's so many companies and setup teams who still don't feel comfortable using it.

I also regret converting my business account to the system. So much restrictions which actually make it worse than sharing passwords. Additionally, there's no way to go back according to Mick even though I know it's changing 2 entries within a database.

I think simple things like this make the staff(Mostly Mick) look really lazy and not competent to run this forum.

I bet mick will now pull up some statistics and say "Hey look, we've grown in the past 2 years, you're all wrong". Sure, you can say that but you're not really doing much to endorse growth. It's all SEO causing the growth. Ironically, my Google webmaster and analytics account was linked to to this site for almost half a year after you came back which just indicates that you're clueless in that area as well.[DOUBLEPOST=1523871539][/DOUBLEPOST]
According to what Bebosny has said he does not want the site back. Maybe Mick should sell it Justis R because he is on here almost 24/7 and he actually cares about the site and the community.

I know, that's why I said "someone like" him. Also not sure what qualifications Justis has to run the site but either way he is very dedicated to MCM and the community.

I've actually messaged Mick a while ago when MCM had downtime to help out and he said he'll let me know but never did.
 
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I understand I'm a very, very new member and I can't offer much in terms of this thread, but I cant help but notice that it looks like most of the 'OG' members are complaining about how the site is run. I have no input regarding staff activity as I haven't had experience with it, members seem to be complaining without actually doing anything.

If everyone stays on the forums, sells their products 80% of the time then bitch the other 20% then MCM really doesn't have to worry about anything. If members actively support an MCM competitor (I'm not encouraging this, it's simply an example) and leave MCM while taking their business' elsewhere. I doubt MCM will take anything said above seriously.

The reason I came to MCM and I'm sure others come to MCM and stay is because of the services that are offered here compared to alternative solutions. Even though you may hate the forums, you aren't actively 'protesting' against the site (for the most part)

I'm sure if the top services moved shop to the site next door, then the new members are bound to follow because that's what they need.

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I don't get why people make it seem like it's such a hard job. It's not.

If you read the rules, read the warning guides to know how many points someone gets when they break the rules, you are fine. What Mick should be looking for is someone who is professional, mature, has the time and knows how to use the punishment system for Xenforo. He could also be looking for someone who isn't knowledgeable in the punishment system for Xenforo, but is he not able to write up or ask one of the current staff members to write up a document explaining the system and how to use it? It's not hard, it's just a matter of effort to do the job.

It's easy when you know what you're doing. Simple as that. It may be hard to write the document to explain it in a way that makes sense and in a good format, but that's only the document. The actually staffing part is easy.
  • It's not hard to delete threads that break the rules or remove the parts that breaks the rules.
  • It's not hard to give warnings.
  • It's not hard to seep through support requests and answer them if you know it. If you don't, don't prefix yourself.
  • It's not hard to go through the reports moderation section and handle them.
It's just time-consuming.
I’m actually surprised something so accurate is coming from a non-staff member. It’s very true and by the way - even the warnings are automatic too. Just select what rule they broke, it PMs them, removes their post/thread, applies the warning with the correct amount of points, and you’re done.
The only thing you really need to be able to do is be professional and handle the flamers/trolls appropriately. And have time to actually do the moderation.

And Mick “had a wake up call” from this thread and has been hard at work all evening. Hopefully good Mick is here to stay :tup:
 
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I know this may seem like a plain terrible idea, but I feel creating staff applications with strict limitations (Age, sentence structure and grammar, etc..) really would help with the understaffment part of this. I feel that the current way that staff come to their positions is quite dumb, and I feel that staff applications make a ton more sense. Even if this isn't a good idea to you staff, have more staff picked!
 

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EclipseBoy320 as the one fish swimming against the current, why do you think hiring new staff for MCM to decrease support wait times and scam report delays is a bad idea?
 

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in the solution section you basically said mcm needs to change
that isnt a solution lol
 

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This morning, Mick was talking about selecting new staff members individually in the shoutout box. He also said he'll be looking through tons of suggestions. If you notice, an overhaul is needed. 90+ users seem to think so. 1 person decides it's not necessary. Look at how many people have replied saying they want this to be a thing. Tons of people.

If we all continue to bring up this issue, it'll happen soon enough. These 90+ users, more to come, will continue to fight for it either way, Staff Team.

Mick should add the new staff members. Staff members are picked by Mick and other staff members based on how they act. Lion may be an exception, but that's because he apparently knew how to do it based on watching his brother.

Work together, let MCM fix their stuff, if not, the community falls.

"...Change is painful [for MCM] But nothing is as painful as staying stuck somewhere..."
A piece of this quote. The quote is true.

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there goes 100 upvotes
 
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