Beer vs Elapsed

[FoundYourFlow]

i was wondering why everyone says Elapsed is better, if someone wouldn’t mind giving the pros and cons of beer and why Elapsed is better.

 

[Vyzon]

None of us ever stated we ran ElapsedSpigot. We have a client that owns and uses ElapsedSpigot and from what we've seen it has a hard time handling tiles compared to BeerSpigot.

Also the async hopper ticking claim seems completely bs. I'm like 90% sure the whole world would have to be handled async for this to be possible and I guarantee thats not the case here.[DOUBLEPOST=1564421821][/DOUBLEPOST]

"We tried ElapsedSpigot" at TheArcade as well as "custom solutions" ‍

That was never said you should go back and read... He was talking about the person that owns all the jars and has tried them...

 

[myokan]

Firstly, I don't know who you are. Headshot and Auto haven't touched ElapsedSpigot for over half of a year, I am the only developer. Secondly, we don't "randomly" throw around the word "async", we use it when it describes what is implemented, which iirc is only used once in our thread.

Not going to even try hiding it, your accusation about memory usage sounds like complete bs. As for tile entities, ElapsedSpigot can handle well over 30K spawners alone and use up less than 5% of the tick, so it was most likely poorly configured. Also, how did you manage to run ElapsedSpigot? It's not licensed to any of the owners of TheArcade as far as I'm aware of.

However, you are right when you say that purchasing a spigot fork will not magically solve your lag issues.

I'm not talking about TheArcade. We don't use your jar on there (we have a custom jar), I'm talking about FadeCloud. Tiles (mainly hoppers, not spawners) have been the main contributor to lag recently, which is strange considering that we never had that issue while using BeerSpigot and have 0 plugins that alter hoppers.

As for the async rant, that didn't apply to Elapsed, I was making a general critique of the jars that I have seen on this website as they all tend to be snake oil.

 

[Zirak]

You mean your way? I think this is the first time I've publicly talked shit about Beer like this, but Beer loves to talk about ElapsedSpigot, that's all that is on his mind. I guess that's one way of avoiding responding to the claims made against you.

LST#1667

I answered in all honesty. A jar is usually nothing more than optimizations, so a jar having broken cannoning or not is all that really matters when it comes down to it.

We don't "randomly" throw around the word "async", we use it when it describes what is implemented, which iirc is only used once in our thread.

Not going to even try hiding it, your accusation about memory usage sounds like complete bs. As for tile entities, ElapsedSpigot can handle well over 30K spawners alone and use up less than 5% of the tick, so it was most likely poorly configured. Also, how did you manage to run ElapsedSpigot? It's not licensed to any of the owners of TheArcade as far as I'm aware of.

However, you are right when you say that purchasing a spigot fork will not magically solve your lag issues.

Lol, you did answer honestly, you had to freaking flame beer though, like for god sakes, save the flaming for somewhere freaking else, all you two do is bicker, for god sakes, all you said about beer was basically "He's a liar", you didn't give a normal list of pros and cons, you just said yours has working cannoning, patches, ect.. and that beer is a lying scumbag, like for god sakes, just give a normal fking list of pros and cons without fking flaming the other creator just because you think your jar is better, and whether it is or not, you don't need to fking flame him all the time, just fkng give a list of pros and cons, then you wouldn't have to deal with these kinds of responses, but for god sakes, give a list like:

Beer:
Pros:
Decent cannoning
Decent patches
Cons:
Not so good on (subject)
Not so good on (Subject)

Elapsed:
Pros:
Decent cannoning
Decent patches
Cons:
Not so good on (Subject)
Not so good on (Subject)

Instead of:
BeerSpigot:
- Was alleged to have broken cannoning, which was put to the test a few months ago and was proven to be true. Whether they still do or not, I can't tell you.
- Takes ideas from ElapsedSpigot. Can show proof of this if Diz or Beer try denying it.
- "Lies" about which servers use BeerSpigot. In their title, they have "Used by", implying "Is used by". If you ask them to explicate, the will claim it implies "Was used by", because those servers don't use BeerSpigot anymore, they saw how shit it was. (i.e. MineSaga)
- License system was hacked, yet Beer or Diz (he was never even told by Beer) never spoke about it. It affected (and still may affect) all users running BeerSpigot.
- Re-uses the same code, making different spigots to get you to buy the next one, as the current one stops bringing in money, so you'd get no real useful updates, only their latest spigot that will get them money will have updates.
- Failed at skidding ElapsedSpigot when they couldn't find anything when it was decompiled, was quite funny. Can show proof of this if Diz or Beer try denying this too.
- Beer (not Diz), lies about his competition, regardless of whether it's me or not, to keep his fanbase from switching over to other products. He does this in his discord(s), so we do not have a platform to defend ourselves.

ElapsedSpigot:
- Cannons work.
- Entities don't lag the server.
- Hoppers don't lag the server.
- Spawners don't lag the server.
- Redstone doesn't lag the server.

You gave your own jar a normal list, but with beer, all you fking did was say that people lied, said it didn't work, ect.. All you fking do is try and make a bad name for beer, yet his jar is probably more used then yours. So how about you just give a god damn normal list, instead of trying to freaking flame beer all the time with your own opinion, tell that to the user personally IF HE ASKED, but don't just go off freaking flaming beer because you think your jar is better. You hardly gave a pros and cons list about beers jar, cause all you fking did was flame him. Now how about someone of this dang thread gives an actual pros and cons list so that the user who originally created this thread can actually see whos jar is better, and frankly, if the owners of elapsed act like this all the freaking time, then how about we all just buy beer, cause obviously the owners of elapsed have no god dang respect for ANYONE else in this freaking forums site who uses beer.

-Zirak signing off.

 

[Tabbin]

i feel like there is a thread like these every other week and it's just a big argument Diz and someone else

 

[Rack5]

Also the async hopper ticking claim seems completely bs. I'm like 90% sure the whole world would have to be handled async for this to be possible and I guarantee thats not the case here.[DOUBLEPOST=1564421821][/DOUBLEPOST]
That was never said you should go back and read... He was talking about the person that owns all the jars and has tried them...

I'm not sure if you're serious. There's plenty of stuff in the world that gets handled asynchronously, especially in later versions. We're not the only ones with async hoppers either, lmao. Some jars even have async TNT, lmao. Also, yes, it was said, it explicitly states "we", not sure how you could possibly interpret it without the person posting not being involved in any way.

I'm not talking about TheArcade. We don't use your jar on there (we have a custom jar), I'm talking about FadeCloud. Tiles (mainly hoppers, not spawners) have been the main contributor to lag recently, which is strange considering that we never had that issue while using BeerSpigot and have 0 plugins that alter hoppers.

As for the async rant, that didn't apply to Elapsed, I was making a general critique of the jars that I have seen on this website as they all tend to be snake oil.

Well, the discussion was about either of two jars and as far as I'm aware, Beer doesn't have anything async that isn't already async in TacoSpigot. The natural reaction would be to assume it was said about ElapsedSpigot.

As for your issues with hoppers, you could have just contacted me and I would have (possibly) helped configure your server.

Lol, you did answer honestly, you had to freaking flame beer though, like for god sakes, save the flaming for somewhere freaking else, all you two do is bicker, for god sakes, all you said about beer was basically "He's a liar", you didn't give a normal list of pros and cons, you just said yours has working cannoning, patches, ect.. and that beer is a lying scumbag, like for god sakes, just give a normal fking list of pros and cons without fking flaming the other creator just because you think your jar is better, and whether it is or not, you don't need to fking flame him all the time, just fkng give a list of pros and cons, then you wouldn't have to deal with these kinds of responses, but for god sakes, give a list like:

Beer:
Pros:
Decent cannoning
Decent patches
Cons:
Not so good on (subject)
Not so good on (Subject)

Elapsed:
Pros:
Decent cannoning
Decent patches
Cons:
Not so good on (Subject)
Not so good on (Subject)

Instead of:
BeerSpigot:
- Was alleged to have broken cannoning, which was put to the test a few months ago and was proven to be true. Whether they still do or not, I can't tell you.
- Takes ideas from ElapsedSpigot. Can show proof of this if Diz or Beer try denying it.
- "Lies" about which servers use BeerSpigot. In their title, they have "Used by", implying "Is used by". If you ask them to explicate, the will claim it implies "Was used by", because those servers don't use BeerSpigot anymore, they saw how shit it was. (i.e. MineSaga)
- License system was hacked, yet Beer or Diz (he was never even told by Beer) never spoke about it. It affected (and still may affect) all users running BeerSpigot.
- Re-uses the same code, making different spigots to get you to buy the next one, as the current one stops bringing in money, so you'd get no real useful updates, only their latest spigot that will get them money will have updates.
- Failed at skidding ElapsedSpigot when they couldn't find anything when it was decompiled, was quite funny. Can show proof of this if Diz or Beer try denying this too.
- Beer (not Diz), lies about his competition, regardless of whether it's me or not, to keep his fanbase from switching over to other products. He does this in his discord(s), so we do not have a platform to defend ourselves.

ElapsedSpigot:
- Cannons work.
- Entities don't lag the server.
- Hoppers don't lag the server.
- Spawners don't lag the server.
- Redstone doesn't lag the server.

You gave your own jar a normal list, but with beer, all you fking did was say that people lied, said it didn't work, ect.. All you fking do is try and make a bad name for beer, yet his jar is probably more used then yours. So how about you just give a god damn normal list, instead of trying to freaking flame beer all the time with your own opinion, tell that to the user personally IF HE ASKED, but don't just go off freaking flaming beer because you think your jar is better. You hardly gave a pros and cons list about beers jar, cause all you fking did was flame him. Now how about someone of this dang thread gives an actual pros and cons list so that the user who originally created this thread can actually see whos jar is better, and frankly, if the owners of elapsed act like this all the freaking time, then how about we all just buy beer, cause obviously the owners of elapsed have no god dang respect for ANYONE else in this freaking forums site who uses beer.

-Zirak signing off.

I didn't flame anyone. I said the truth. If you're implying I should hide the truth from the people for the sake of "not flaming", I would have to disagree. Unfortunately, the truth hurts.

 

[Zirak]

I'm not sure if you're serious. There's plenty of stuff in the world that gets handled asynchronously, especially in later versions. We're not the only ones with async hoppers either, lmao. Some jars even have async TNT, lmao. Also, yes, it was said, it explicitly states "we", not sure how you could possibly interpret it without the person posting not being involved in any way.


Well, the discussion was about either of two jars and as far as I'm aware, Beer doesn't have anything async that isn't already async in TacoSpigot. The natural reaction would be to assume it was said about ElapsedSpigot.

As for your issues with hoppers, you could have just contacted me and I would have (possibly) helped configure your server.[DOUBLEPOST=1564422566][/DOUBLEPOST]
I didn't flame anyone. I said the truth. If you're implying I should hide the truth from the people for the sake of "not flaming", I would have to disagree. Unfortunately, the truth hurts.

Lol, you're just trying to make it worse. You didn't give a list. How about someone says the truth about elapsed, I'm sure beer has the same shit to say back to you, so how about you just make a normal list. Lol, you're literally acting no good for your jar. LOL

Edit: Beer I'm sure you've got something to say about this? This is legit crap

 

[Vyzon]

I'm not sure if you're serious. There's plenty of stuff in the world that gets handled asynchronously, especially in later versions. We're not the only ones with async hoppers either, lmao. Some jars even have async TNT, lmao. Also, yes, it was said, it explicitly states "we", not sure how you could possibly interpret it without the person posting not being involved in any way.


Well, the discussion was about either of two jars and as far as I'm aware, Beer doesn't have anything async that isn't already async in TacoSpigot. The natural reaction would be to assume it was said about ElapsedSpigot.

As for your issues with hoppers, you could have just contacted me and I would have (possibly) helped configure your server.

I didn't flame anyone. I said the truth. If you're implying I should hide the truth from the people for the sake of "not flaming", I would have to disagree. Unfortunately, the truth hurts.

Alright can we get some proof of async hopper ticking then? I'm pretty sure the async catcher wouldn't allow it so...

 

[myokan]

Well, the discussion was about either of two jars and as far as I'm aware, Beer doesn't have anything async that isn't already async in TacoSpigot. The natural reaction would be to assume it was said about ElapsedSpigot.

I understand, next time you should read more carefully before jumping to conclusions to avoid any misunderstandings. All in all, I'm very disillusioned with all of these custom jars, I've yet to find one that helps significantly without randomly breaking things.

As for your issues with hoppers, you could have just contacted me and I would have (possibly) helped configure your server.

AFAIK, Mew has been in contact with you guys about issues that we've been having and (as far as I know) nothing has been resolved. Mew and you can figure this out in private as I'm sure a few minor updates is all that's necessary and if you weren't aware of this previously maybe he was contacting the wrong person about it (if it's true that the other developers credited haven't worked on the project in a while).

 

[Rack5]

Lol, you're just trying to make it worse. You didn't give a list. How about someone says the truth about elapsed, I'm sure beer has the same shit to say back to you, so how about you just make a normal list. Lol, you're literally acting no good for your jar. LOL

The only time Beer has something to say is when he cries to his fans in his discord after he gets a reality check, literally, it's all he ever does. As I said, I told people the truth, whether you see it as not listing pros or cons is a separate issue. I feel as if people deserve to know what happens behind the scenes that is not spoken about.

Alright can we get some proof of async hopper ticking then? I'm pretty sure the async catcher wouldn't allow it so...

You're right in that it does require certain things to be configured a certain way, you can't just pop it on a server (but it also has nothing to do with AsyncCatcher), but you're jumping to conclusions. Yes, it is possible and, no, I will not be posting any proof as that would require releasing the code to not only ElapsedSpigot, but of another jar made by a good friend also using this optimization. As I've said, there's plenty of asynchronous implementations for the world already, including the most basic thing needed for the world to even exist, chunk loading, which by default runs on two separate asynchronous threads. I do not understand what it is about hoppers in particular that worries you so much, lmao.

I understand, next time you should read more carefully before jumping to conclusions to avoid any misunderstandings. All in all, I'm very disillusioned with all of these custom jars, I've yet to find one that helps significantly without randomly breaking things.


AFAIK, Mew has been in contact with you guys about issues that we've been having and (as far as I know) nothing has been resolved. We'll figure this out in PMs as I'm sure a few minor updates is all that's necessary.

No, I was never messaged about anything related to hoppers.

 

[Zirak]

The only time Beer has something to say is when he cries to his fans in his discord after he gets a reality check, literally, it's all he ever does. As I said, I told people the truth, whether you see it as not listing pros or cons is a separate issue. I feel as if people deserve to know what happens behind the scenes that is not spoken about.


You're right in that it does require certain things to be configured a certain way, you can't just pop it on a server (but it also has nothing to do with AsyncCatcher), but you're jumping to conclusions. Yes, it is possible and, no, I will not be posting any proof as that would require releasing the code to not only ElapsedSpigot, but of another jar made by a good friend also using this optimization. As I've said, there's plenty of asynchronous implementations for the world already, including the most basic thing needed for the world to even exist, chunk loading, which by default runs on two separate asynchronous threads. I do not understand what it is about hoppers in particular that worries you so much, lmao.


No, I was never messaged about anything related to hoppers.

He didn't ask for a truth list, or your fking opinion, he asked for a pros and cons list about the JAR, not the fking people that run it, you're honestly just being fking toxic.

 

[Rack5]

He didn't ask for a truth list, or your fking opinion, he asked for a pros and cons list about the JAR, not the fking people that run it, you're honestly just being fking toxic.

First of all, can you please stop typing "fking" and "frking", it's really annoying. Second of all, how the owner behaves has everything to do with the jar itself as well as experience with the customer service you're supposed to be provided, not sure how it doesn't. Sure, I was biased in terms of focusing on some things more than others, but it's definitely on topic, lmao.

 

[Diz]

i feel like there is a thread like these every other week and it's just a big argument Diz and someone else

I only said one thing...

 

[Tabbin]

I only said one thing...

not saying it's ur fault, just seems like you usually get dragged into this since u own one of the biggest jars on here

the mc market mods should just remove these thread cuz of the abundance of them

 

[Zirak]

First of all, can you please stop typing "fking" and "frking", it's really annoying. Second of all, how the owner behaves has everything to do with the jar itself as well as experience with the customer service you're supposed to be provided, not sure how it doesn't. Sure, I was biased in terms of focusing on some things more than others, but it's definitely on topic, lmao.

But he didn't ask for that, he asked about the JAR. I'm sure beer and diz have the exact same crap back to you. oh, and I can say whatever I fking want, if it annoys you, I could care less. I am stating that you're not acting very professional with your power that your very popular jar brings you. As a member of the Beer community, and of this forums, I like to still think of myself as an even force (Not picking one side). But with how you described beer, you're making it look like you're the only viable and usable option, which isn't true in the slightest.

 

[Rack5]

I only said one thing...

I do not dislike you in any way, we're both defending our products at the end of the day, I just dislike Beer. I have nothing against you other than your marketing tactics.

But he didn't ask for that, he asked about the JAR. I'm sure beer and diz have the exact same crap back to you. oh, and I can say whatever I fking want, if it annoys you, I could care less. I am stating that you're not acting very professional with your power that your very popular jar brings you. As a member of the Beer community, and of this forums, I like to still think of myself as an even force (Not picking one side). But with how you described beer, you're making it look like you're the only viable and usable option, which isn't true in the slightest.

The customer service and interactions with the owner are inherent procedures when purchasing a jar. I clearly made points relevant to the topic as the OP himself as well as other worried Beer customers messaged me about it. I have no power in any shape or form, not sure where that comes from. Owning a product does not mean my say in something is more important or that I can go around harming ElapsedSpigot or non-ElapsedSpigot customers for their opinions. I have never claimed or implied ElapsedSpigot is the only viable option. I've told numerous potential customers that they have no reason to switch to ElapsedSpigot if they are running Beer or even normal TacoSpigot and are satisfied with it for their playerbase, I've never once claimed Beer is something that is unusable or should not be used. It clearly does its job for its price range, which other people have also commented.

 

[Vyzon]

You're right in that it does require certain things to be configured a certain way, you can't just pop it on a server (but it also has nothing to do with AsyncCatcher), but you're jumping to conclusions. Yes, it is possible and, no, I will not be posting any proof as that would require releasing the code to not only ElapsedSpigot, but of another jar made by a good friend also using this optimization. As I've said, there's plenty of asynchronous implementations for the world already, including the most basic thing needed for the world to even exist, chunk loading, which by default runs on two separate asynchronous threads. I do not understand what it is about hoppers in particular that worries you so much, lmao.

Just seems like bs to me. I'm pretty sure to accomplish this a lot of important things would need to be recoded and I highly doubt you did.[DOUBLEPOST=1564424828][/DOUBLEPOST]

Just seems like bs to me. I'm pretty sure to accomplish this a lot of important things would need to be recoded and I highly doubt you did.

Thats why I asked for proof and ofc you are not willing to show so no one will ever know if this is true.

 

[Rack5]

Just seems like bs to me. I'm pretty sure to accomplish this a lot of important things would need to be recoded and I highly doubt you did.[DOUBLEPOST=1564424828][/DOUBLEPOST]
Thats why I asked for proof and ofc you are not willing to show so no one will ever know if this is true.

It's really not as hard as you think it is, lmao. You only have your capabilities to question if you think otherwise when I showed you a clear example of asynchronous handling inside Minecraft that relates to the world that is not exclusive to a fork. Why would I lie about one out of hundreds of features that I already have anyway? :rofl: