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I’d say Javascript for Bots, but for general usage, C# is good to learnReally hesitant right now, tons of people recommending Javascript, some recommend Python and some recommend C#.
Open to more replies, thanks to everyone as every reply affects my final decision.
Learn Java properly, and then go to C#?Really hesitant right now, tons of people recommending Javascript, some recommend Python and some recommend C#.
Open to more replies, thanks to everyone as every reply affects my final decision.
Considering you said you want to eventually make a full-time career out of programming and you want to start writing bots immediately, I would highly recommend looking into Java. Java has some great libraries for interacting with Discord (I imagine these are the bots you want to make), and it teaches you the fundamentals of programming (OOP, with plenty of room for data structures and algorithms). I really don't advise learning JavaScript because it's so niche and unique. Many programming languages are similar to Java, but very few are similar to JavaScript.
If it's worth mentioning, universities like teaching Java/C#/C++ as first languages simply because they show some fundamentals which you can use in most languages (...again, aside from JavaScript for the most part).
If it's worth mentioning, universities like teaching Java/C#/C++ as first languages simply because they show some fundamentals which you can use in most languages (...again, aside from JavaScript for the most part).
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Programming in Python is just as real as programming in C++, what are you talking about?
Both are decent for a Discord bot, but Python code is more readable and a little cleaner to work with.
Disagree, Java has far less support than JavaScript and Python when it comes to Discord bots, and I'd actually consider it a messier first language for beginners, particularly since it enforces OOP which can be a confusing concept to grasp.
I'd recommend C and Python, preferably Python first due to its high level of abstraction which makes it more rewarding as a beginner and gives you incentive to keep learning, and you'll be able to focus on learning algorithms and programming concepts more than getting bogged down in the boring syntax of a language. C is a language that every programmer should know at least the basis of, so that's definitely a language that every beginner programmer should try eventually.
these are my own personal recommendations depending on your goals:
- Python - bots, web scrapers, data analysis, Django/Flask website backend
- JavaScript - frontend for websites and maybe node.js for some libraries that have better support than Python alternatives.
- Java - minecraft plugins
- C# - native windows GUI development or commercial programs
- C++ - linux GUI development, game development, more professional commerical programs
- C - malware, game hacks, winapi
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Perhaps it does have less support than JS or Python, but having used JDA I can see why that might be the case. JDA is great. As for confusing concepts... to some degree you don't need to use OOP in Java, especially when you're just beginning. You can do everything in one class if you reallllyyy want to.
I can agree with you on the basis that Python is very rewarding, however I don't think the very basic syntax used within programming languages such as Java, C#, C++ etc. are very far from Python. For beginners, it's mostly just the case of some brackets and braces.
I'd also push this for website development (MVC backend). Demand for MVC devs has been growing recently.
I'd go with JavaScript, but that's just me
(Good for discord bots)
(Good for discord bots)
I used teamtreehouse.com to learn java. They also have tons of other languages to learn. I keep hearing people say Java is on it's way out. Not sure if it's true though since there are a lot of things that were built with Java / use Java like Android. I would personally start with either Java or Javascript
For bots I would say Javascript is probably the easiest your going to get, I used to use Javascript with NodeJS for bots when I did make them but I just got de-motivated as my HDD got corrupted after spending over 30h on a bot I was going to sell on here. For a long-term language I would say Java or C#. It really is your preference. C++ is a great language too but its a lot harder than Java or C# for 99% of people.
Learn python first since its extremely easy to learn and gives you the basic idea on coding. After that learn some hardcore languages such as Java or c++/c#[DOUBLEPOST=1536380308][/DOUBLEPOST]
But to be honest with you its all about age, if your under 14 then once you start learning a programming language its going to be hard to get motivated and stay on task but if your over 15 and can motivate yourself then learn some hardcore languages
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According to StackOverflow polls, the next big thing is going to be Javascript. https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018/#technology.
Now, you might wonder why. Lots of people have huge misconceptions about Javascript and its frameworks. Let me try to explain some of the cool stuff as simply as possible:
Javascript does more basic scripting, as seen in front-ends of websites, but it also has the ability to be a backend, thanks to Node. It also can create desktop applications with electron, or litterally anything with packages from NPM.
If you want to be a developer, javascript allows you access into tons of fields. Learning a language like C# (Or, atleast, at the start), limits you down to what you can do. Javascript opens options to work around with.
It also has language flexibility. Newer versions of Javascript support public/private, full on class structure, etc. While these may sound like silly words to you, as you move onto more lower level languages, having these fundamentals will make the transition a breeze. On the other end, Javascript works fine as a procedural language, which is why it's so easy for beginners to get into.
NPM is a huge package repo, where you can litterally find modules for EVERYTHING. It's like a huge list of APIs that in one command you can start using, and manage upgrades, etc.
I understand fully that Javascript has it's downsides - I am actually a C++ developer, but my personal advice would be to go the JS route. It gives you fundamentals of the other langauges, in an enviorment where you can create anything from Desktop Applications, to mobile apps, to video games.
Now, you might wonder why. Lots of people have huge misconceptions about Javascript and its frameworks. Let me try to explain some of the cool stuff as simply as possible:
Javascript does more basic scripting, as seen in front-ends of websites, but it also has the ability to be a backend, thanks to Node. It also can create desktop applications with electron, or litterally anything with packages from NPM.
If you want to be a developer, javascript allows you access into tons of fields. Learning a language like C# (Or, atleast, at the start), limits you down to what you can do. Javascript opens options to work around with.
It also has language flexibility. Newer versions of Javascript support public/private, full on class structure, etc. While these may sound like silly words to you, as you move onto more lower level languages, having these fundamentals will make the transition a breeze. On the other end, Javascript works fine as a procedural language, which is why it's so easy for beginners to get into.
NPM is a huge package repo, where you can litterally find modules for EVERYTHING. It's like a huge list of APIs that in one command you can start using, and manage upgrades, etc.
I understand fully that Javascript has it's downsides - I am actually a C++ developer, but my personal advice would be to go the JS route. It gives you fundamentals of the other langauges, in an enviorment where you can create anything from Desktop Applications, to mobile apps, to video games.
To understand the basics of coding I would suggest learning a 3rd generation language, if you know how to code in a 3rd gen language it's easier to learn other languages.
I would suggest c# or c++
I would suggest c# or c++
I don't recommend buying courses as most of them are probably crap, and you can find tons and tons of resources online for free, and if you need help you can join a discord community or stack overflow. the reason everyone's recommending java is because it's a minecraft forum.
what kind of tools/programs would you make right now if you had the ability? then everyone can give you a proper answer on what sort of route you should take.
I'd personally recommend you learn a strong base language like c++ or java, they'll introduce you to the main concepts of coding and most of the other languages will be a piece of cake, I prefer C++ or C# but java is good especially if you ever go into minecraft things
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