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So I'm currently in the works of overseeing the development of a "build a bot" website.

And I thought in the case that any customers may want a truly customize their bot and not just use the checkboxes on the website (something unique only to their server) that I should offer the standard "service team support discord" that MCM has here.

My customers aren't going to know MCM but will probably expect the same prices as here. So given this, I want to assemble a team of bot developers who go through a rigorous application process. And in that process, a solid portfolio of creative user friendly bots need to be displayed openly for me to see OR a bot needs to be created to those standards...

Would you (a bot developer) even bother applying if it requires you to do "free work" to prove you're a legitimate, capable bot developer for a commissions that get you 95% of the profit you make from it (I take 5%)?

Here's a little more to the 95% cut. I'm considering to make it so that any deals of $20 or under, that the bot dev keeps all 100%. Anything over and I think its only fair that I take a cut as I'll probably be the sole representative/arbitrator between you and the client.
 
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I wouldn't hire you. Just because of the behavior you've demonstrated time and time again. Your opinion is one out of many, I appreciate you at least even bothering to read my thread content.
 

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I wouldn't hire you. Just because of the behavior you've demonstrated time and time again. Your opinion is one out of many, I appreciate you at least even bothering to read my thread content.
I wouldnt apply. No need to not hire.
 

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I personally would - this sounds like an interesting project
Its not really a project per se. I'm really just asking here if bot devs here will even bother submitting a real portfolio/resume/application toward a commission styled support discord. The only difference is that the clients are specifically looking for custom features their discord bot.

Essentially the way the site works is that it'll let customers pick and choose what premade features (files) they want in their bot and my site handles the hosting of the files and back end components. They just need to invite the bot to their server. I already have a bot dev working on all the files for the various components. However, as I mentioned in the post, if a user wants a specific feature custom to their server, I want to be able to provide a freelancer service that is vetted by me personally to get things done fast, painlessly, and have returning customers to the website/service discord.
 

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Its not really a project per se. I'm really just asking here if bot devs here will even bother submitting a real portfolio/resume/application toward a commission styled support discord. The only difference is that the clients are specifically looking for custom features their discord bot.

Essentially the way the site works is that it'll let customers pick and choose what premade features (files) they want in their bot and my site handles the hosting of the files and back end components. They just need to invite the bot to their server. I already have a bot dev working on all the files for the various components. However, as I mentioned in the post, if a user wants a specific feature custom to their server, I want to be able to provide a freelancer service that is vetted by me personally to get things done fast, painlessly, and have returning customers to the website/service discord.

Yah, the whole 'project' and concept behind this is interesting..
 

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Would you (a bot developer) even bother applying if it requires you to do "free work" to prove you're a legitimate, capable bot developer
No. I don't see why this is needed when you have a public GitHub with examples.
 

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The reason I ask this thread post is simply because I feel MCM here is saturated with the typical ticket bot, moderation bot, commissions bot or whatever. And not enough of users who really have ideas to make their server "unique" and really ask for features that they can't find trusted developers to make for them.[DOUBLEPOST=1541274752][/DOUBLEPOST]
No. I don't see why this is needed when you have a public GitHub with examples.
The customer I aim for is the following

  • Trust issues with staff members/other people making the code for you when you barely know them
  • Don't want to learn to code themselves or do anything that requires technical experience
  • Have a bit of money to put into growing their community (some servers have patreons)
  • Don't know forum marketplaces to outsource cheap freelancers like they are here.
 
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The reason I ask this thread post is simply because I feel MCM here is saturated with the typical ticket bot, moderation bot, commissions bot or whatever. And not enough of users who really have ideas to make their server "unique" and really ask for features that they can't find trusted developers to make for them.[DOUBLEPOST=1541274752][/DOUBLEPOST]
The customer I aim for is the following

  • Trust issues with staff members/other people making the code for you when you barely know them
  • Don't want to learn to code themselves or do anything that requires technical experience
  • Have a bit of money to put into growing their community (some servers have patreons)
  • Don't know forum marketplaces to outsource cheap freelancers like they are here.
You can do multiple things to get an overview of one's experience, ask questions about the language/framework they use, see example projects (over screen share for example so you won't have to share code on a text basis), etc. I am just not a fan of doing free work when I already did a lot of things in that category without an issue.
 

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ask questions about the language/framework they use, see example projects
I am fine with a live demo of the portfolio of bots. What I'm looking for are fast bot devs who have plenty of time and get passionate about making UX/UI friendly oriented bots. Nothing to do with files, use reactions, commands, etc. make something easy for the client to use and buy. That's all I'm looking for really. I'll take this into consideration instead of making the application process require code to be seen/potentially stolen by me or another trusted bot dev to review over it etc.
 

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So I'm currently in the works of overseeing the development of a "build a bot" website.

And I thought in the case that any customers may want a truly customize their bot and not just use the checkboxes on the website (something unique only to their server) that I should offer the standard "service team support discord" that MCM has here.

My customers aren't going to know MCM but will probably expect the same prices as here. So given this, I want to assemble a team of bot developers who go through a rigorous application process. And in that process, a solid portfolio of creative user friendly bots need to be displayed openly for me to see OR a bot needs to be created to those standards...

Would you (a bot developer) even bother applying if it requires you to do "free work" to prove you're a legitimate, capable bot developer for a commissions that get you 95% of the profit you make from it (I take 5%)?

Here's a little more to the 95% cut. I'm considering to make it so that any deals of $20 or under, that the bot dev keeps all 100%. Anything over and I think its only fair that I take a cut as I'll probably be the sole representative/arbitrator between you and the client.
You talk about "assembling a team of bot developers" and "rigorous application processes" like you're going to have 5 developers collaborating on a single project together, in a single API/language. What you really mean is that your budget is cheap so you want to hire separate developers for separate modules, each developer working individually on a bot module in a completely different language and API, which, in essence, makes your entire project an utter design mess.

I attempted to explain this before. A global bot with paywall restrictions would be a lot better and a lot more modular. For this, you just need a sole developer willing to spend a couple of weeks on it.

However, you should first re-consider your business model. I don't think anyone wants to pay money for some (probably barely customizable) bot that is publicly available to purchase. A lot of the clients I work with always want something different, with small different features here and there. You can't possibly add a customization feature for every little thing. You may as well hire a developer to pre-make everything then and then list that stuff in a forum thread (e.g., ticket bot for $5, moderation bot for $5), and if they want something changed, ask the developer who originally made it to modify it. No reason to overcomplicate everything with a weird website.

Would you (a bot developer) even bother applying if it requires you to do "free work" to prove you're a legitimate?

Absolutely not. Not even if it's a basic script that takes 10 minutes unless I know it's a serious buyer. I have 30 potential clients added on Discord right now, half of which spend 30 minutes talking to me about what they'd like coded only to say that they'll "come back in a few days" when they get paid. But most of them never come back or message me again. They're time wasters.

I'm not going to sit and waste 4 hours of my time working on something for someone just to know that they may potentially back out of the deal. Most people are insecure and seem to have an issue with saying no, so they stall and pretend they'll purchase.
 
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You talk about "assembling a team of bot developers" and "rigorous application processes" like you're going to have 5 developers collaborating on a single project together, in a single API/language. What you really mean is that your budget is cheap so you want to hire separate developers for separate modules, each developer working individually on a bot module in a completely different language and API, which, in essence, makes your entire project an utter design mess.

I attempted to explain this before. A global bot with paywall restrictions would be a lot better and a lot more modular. For this, you just need a sole developer willing to spend a couple of weeks on it.

However, you should first re-consider your business model. I don't think anyone wants to pay money for some (probably barely customizable) bot that is publicly available to purchase. A lot of the clients I work with always want something different, with small different features here and there. You can't possibly add a customization feature for every little thing. You may as well hire a developer to pre-make everything then and then list that stuff in a forum thread (e.g., ticket bot for $5, moderation bot for $5), and if they want something changed, ask the developer who originally made it to modify it. No reason to overcomplicate everything with a weird website.



Absolutely not. Not even if it's a basic script that takes 10 minutes unless I know it's a serious buyer. I have 30 potential clients added on Discord right now, half of which spend 30 minutes talking to me about what they'd like coded only to say that they'll "come back in a few days" when they get paid. But most of them never come back or message me again. They're time wasters.

I'm not going to sit and waste 4 hours of my time working on something for someone just to know that they may potentially back out of the deal. Most people are insecure and seem to have an issue with saying no, so they stall and pretend they'll purchase.
I have a single dev working on all the files. This thread is for basically if a customer wants even more custom features to their bot, I'd get them a "licensed freelancer" (a developed vetted by me) to work on their commission. This has nothing to do with a single API or something.

You can't possibly add a customization feature for every little thing.
Hence the point of this thread...

You may as well hire a developer to pre-make everything then and then list that stuff in a forum thread (e.g., ticket bot for $5, moderation bot for $5), and if they want something changed, ask the developer who originally made it to modify it. No reason to overcomplicate everything with a weird website.
Not everyone knows MC-Market or other forums... You clearly don't see the customer I'm trying to target.

Most people are insecure and seem to have an issue with saying no, so they stall and pretend they'll purchase.
Thats the life of a commission based freelancer. You are at the whim of the customer's time and decisions. If time is money to you, go reach out to multiple customers and keep your availability known to all customers if they come back to you when you're already full. Nothing is stopping a freelancer from taking commissions while a potential customer is "stalling".[DOUBLEPOST=1541438515][/DOUBLEPOST]
Absolutely not. Not even if it's a basic script that takes 10 minutes unless I know it's a serious buyer. I have 30 potential clients added on Discord right now, half of which spend 30 minutes talking to me about what they'd like coded only to say that they'll "come back in a few days" when they get paid. But most of them never come back or message me again. They're time wasters.
And I wouldn't hire you. You threw a hiss fit and accusations at another bot dev on my discord for "copy pasting code". Literally a day or two after you and I parted and left the negative reputations on one another, I got an influx of money that I spent toward getting developers into making 2 of my projects. They're still in development.

But to summarize this post to keep it concise, I wouldn't hire you because of the behavior you showed after I "wasted your time". If you look through our conversation or recall our voice call, I did say I would ask another bot dev first if they were available to do it. If they weren't available I'd default to you as the runner up. You did not have to wait and expect a guaranteed commission from me. I even threw a $5 tip for a bot that you took well over 24 hours to fix because you did mention that it was taking alot longer and you weren't working a fair hourly wage. I don't appreciate the attitude you gave after I didn't commission you with the whole "the bot works. you had a day to test it. make a scam report on me if you want, I don't care, I have evidence it works and it'll be voided."
 
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