Builds

[Gunny]

Ok, so I see people like BucketOfSloths fill the builds page with his builds. I think they should have to put them on one thread so we can actually see other people's builds.... as of now I almost always auto-click the second page.

 

[Justis]

Supply and demand.
If there are any other builders out there that want to compete by building more than 1 build and making more than 1 thread, they are free to do so.
The fact that they're by him shouldn't make a difference.
If you're looking for builds.

 

[Fire]

If someone is looking for a factions spawn, and they see a thread saying factions spawn they will click in, and ingore the ones that dont. But if someone has just 1 thread for all of their builds, they the heading doesnt have room to name each of their builds, and a little bit about it. Like "Factions spawn 120x120 - Space theme" if someone is selling say 8 builds they cant do this, therefore less people will click / look at their thread. The ones that do still click, will have to go through loads of other builds to see if there is one they want.

Multiple threads, works out both quicker and easier.

 

[MrAniman2]

I have been here into building for quite a while and i have a different opinion.

First of all i personally believe it's a bit disrespectful to other sellers if you make 20+ threads and take almost all 1st page alone, second it feels unprofessional as well...at least for me.

But i think this can be very serious issue!

Let me give you an example why i think there needs to be some kind of limitation to how many threads you can post or bump each day.

So imagine what would happen if BucketOfSloths will carry on like this...he will probably hit like 30 builds/threads after 1-2 months, then for example George will start to do the same thing and maybe 2 more users would join them. So what happens? If four users each 'bump' 30 threads almost daily? ...First few pages would be complete mess. And do you think buyers really want to look on the same threads over and over again? (as we know non-exclusive builds will stay for sale many months) I also currently selling around 17 builds here and could top up an already long thread list but i believe it's not acceptable (like i mentioned above).

So i would suggest to implement limit for how many threads you can bump per day...i guess 5 would be fine and fair for everybody.


(to clarify people mentioned above are just for an example i don't meant to insult anyone)

Supply and demand.
If there are any other builders out there that want to compete by building more than 1 build and making more than 1 thread, they are free to do so.
The fact that they're by him shouldn't make a difference.
If you're looking for builds.

There are quite a few people who can compete but would it make mcm better...would buyers enjoy this competition? 60 the same threads constantly being 'bumped' to front page... sure sounds awesome!

 

[Ivain]

I'm afraid MrAniman has a point here. A line has to be drawn SOMEWHERE. Now, I don't think it should be at only a small handful of threads, but if BucketofSloths, Tepesu and Mraniman (all of whom have lots of threads for builds) all started bumping all of their threads, they'd be constantly filling up the first page, with the occasional other threads by other people.

I'd say set the current limit of threads you can bump in a section to 10 or so. That still leaves PLENTY of space for multiple build threads. And it would allow you to still have more efficient tagging.
You could, for instance, have most of your KOTHs in one thread, your HCF spawns in another, your PvP arenas in one, etc etc.[DOUBLEPOST=1472119822][/DOUBLEPOST]

Supply and demand.
If there are any other builders out there that want to compete by building more than 1 build and making more than 1 thread, they are free to do so.
The fact that they're by him shouldn't make a difference.
If you're looking for builds.

It's not so much that they're all by him. it's that if we don't set a limit, more people will start doing the same, and there will be whole pages of threads simultaneously bumped by the same person.

 

[Gunny]

Thank you to the people who have out your opinion on this matter here. What I would like to say it is unfair to other builders if two to three people do this. If we put a limit on how many threads you can bump I would be perfectly fine with that, I just want to make it fair to the people who have the curtsy to not bump every build or don't have that many. Say I don't like BucketOfSloths building style, I have to go through all of the builds he bumped to find a different one.

 

[Justis]

I have been here into building for quite a while and i have a different opinion.

First of all i personally believe it's a bit disrespectful to other sellers if you make 20+ threads and take almost all 1st page alone, second it feels unprofessional as well...at least for me.

But i think this can be very serious issue!

Let me give you an example why i think there needs to be some kind of limitation to how many threads you can post or bump each day.

So imagine what would happen if BucketOfSloths will carry on like this...he will probably hit like 30 builds/threads after 1-2 months, then for example George will start to do the same thing and maybe 2 more users would join them. So what happens? If four users each 'bump' 30 threads almost daily? ...First few pages would be complete mess. And do you think buyers really want to look on the same threads over and over again? (as we know non-exclusive builds will stay for sale many months) I also currently selling around 17 builds here and could top up an already long thread list but i believe it's not acceptable (like i mentioned above).

So i would suggest to implement limit for how many threads you can bump per day...i guess 5 would be fine and fair for everybody.


(to clarify people mentioned above are just for an example i don't meant to insult anyone)



There are quite a few people who can compete but would it make mcm better...would buyers enjoy this competition? 60 the same threads constantly being 'bumped' to front page... sure sounds awesome!

"Complete mess" since you just say this, instead of explaining what's actually bad about it, I'm going to assume the problem you're trying to point out is that people will just be seeing the same thread over and over again.
Let me point out that that whole concern is with bumping and not seeing "new" threads often enough, not the fact that the threads are by the same person, which is what the original suggestion for this thread was about; and what I disagree with entirely.
(ignoring the fact that the people with the new threads could just as easily bump theirs to the top, after what's his face is done, having the opposite effect)

Reducing the amount of threads you can bump to 1 per forum seems like a great idea actually.
We're not misplacing our worry on the person themselves, but rather that unrestricted bumping doesn't take into consideration to amount of new builds being posted by other people, ensuring that new builds do make an appearance on the first page.

So how about that? Instead of absurdly trying to limit people's build threads to one thread, we limit them to one bump per forum, not per thread.
Does that sound fair?

I'm afraid MrAniman has a point here. A line has to be drawn SOMEWHERE. Now, I don't think it should be at only a small handful of threads, but if BucketofSloths, Tepesu and Mraniman (all of whom have lots of threads for builds) all started bumping all of their threads, they'd be constantly filling up the first page, with the occasional other threads by other people.

I'd say set the current limit of threads you can bump in a section to 10 or so. That still leaves PLENTY of space for multiple build threads. And it would allow you to still have more efficient tagging.
You could, for instance, have most of your KOTHs in one thread, your HCF spawns in another, your PvP arenas in one, etc etc.[DOUBLEPOST=1472119822][/DOUBLEPOST]
It's not so much that they're all by him. it's that if we don't set a limit, more people will start doing the same, and there will be whole pages of threads simultaneously bumped by the same person.

Ivain......
You seem to understand at least a little that the problem is "not so much that they're all BY him".
The problem is that they're "simultaneously BUMPED by the same person".
Which is the real problem, being masked over what the original OP said.

Referring to what I stated previously in this message, I would prefer we not misplace our concern, and instead realize and focus on fixing the bumping issues.
Keep unlimited threads.
1 thread per build is perfectly reasonable, and if nobody wants the build (which is what really matters) it will fall into the back of the forum, unless the author chooses that specific thread to bump. Then you only have to deal with seeing 1 more old and already seen thread. Unless other authors do the same, but then we're looking at the problem being too many people, but the good thing about having a lot of people, is it also fixes the problem for themselves, because with a lot more people there will also be a lot more NEW threads being posted, which balances out the old threads that they may or may not be bumping.

SO!
Limiting the bumping to 1 thread per forum?
That sound fair?

 

[Ivain]

I'd like to make a change to that as well. 1 bump per section is too little. I'd say 3 bumps per section. That way, there is still some bumping freedom, while still removing the majority of the problem.
Also, Justis, you'll notice that my idea was indeed to limit the BUMPING of threads, not the possession of them

 

[Gunny]

I'd like to make a change to that as well. 1 bump per section is too little. I'd say 3 bumps per section. That way, there is still some bumping freedom, while still removing the majority of the problem.
Also, Justis, you'll notice that my idea was indeed to limit the BUMPING of threads, not the possession of them

On this note I wish there was some system or xenforo plugin that made it so the OP doesn't bump the thread when they comment. :/

 

[Ivain]

On this note I wish there was some system or xenforo plugin that made it so the OP doesn't bump the thread when they comment. :/

Well, that's not quite needed, really. All we need to do is prevent them from manually bumping. AKA if an OP posts in their own thread, but it is not a relevant update or a response to someone, they're sneakily bumping. posts like that should be reported.

 

[MrAniman2]

"Complete mess" since you just say this, instead of explaining what's actually bad about it, I'm going to assume the problem you're trying to point out is that people will just be seeing the same thread over and over again.
Let me point out that that whole concern is with bumping and not seeing "new" threads often enough, not the fact that the threads are by the same person, which is what the original suggestion for this thread was about; and what I disagree with entirely.
(ignoring the fact that the people with the new threads could just as easily bump theirs to the top, after what's his face is done, having the opposite effect)

Reducing the amount of threads you can bump to 1 per forum seems like a great idea actually.
We're not misplacing our worry on the person themselves, but rather that unrestricted bumping doesn't take into consideration to amount of new builds being posted by other people, ensuring that new builds do make an appearance on the first page.

So how about that? Instead of absurdly trying to limit people's build threads to one thread, we limit them to one bump per forum, not per thread.
Does that sound fair?


Ivain......
You seem to understand at least a little that the problem is "not so much that they're all BY him".
The problem is that they're "simultaneously BUMPED by the same person".
Which is the real problem, being masked over what the original OP said.

Referring to what I stated previously in this message, I would prefer we not misplace our concern, and instead realize and focus on fixing the bumping issues.
Keep unlimited threads.
1 thread per build is perfectly reasonable, and if nobody wants the build (which is what really matters) it will fall into the back of the forum, unless the author chooses that specific thread to bump. Then you only have to deal with seeing 1 more old and already seen thread. Unless other authors do the same, but then we're looking at the problem being too many people, but the good thing about having a lot of people, is it also fixes the problem for themselves, because with a lot more people there will also be a lot more NEW threads being posted, which balances out the old threads that they may or may not be bumping.

SO!
Limiting the bumping to 1 thread per forum?
That sound fair?

"Complete mess" since you just say this, instead of explaining what's actually bad about it"

...So my example above wasn't informative enough? I believe i explained this situation pretty precise how i see it.

No, it's not about seeing the same thread over and over again! My reply was about the fact that anyone can make unlimited amount of threads and bump them all each 24h.
I guess i have to give you even better example what can happen.

So let's say person 'A' creates 100 threads, one for each build and bumps them every day. (this will fill 1st 3 pages easily)
Then for example comes person 'B' and bump one thread.
10 min later comes person 'C' and bumps 50 of his threads.

I believe now it's pretty clear what i meant with "complete mess"?

"Let me point out that that whole concern is with bumping and not seeing "new" threads often enough, not the fact that the threads are by the same person"

Whole Concern is about the fact that one person can make unlimited amount of threads and bump all those threads each 24h. This is the actual issue here which is causing this 'not seeing new threads' problem...what you apparently don't see.

"Reducing the amount of threads you can bump to 1 per forum seems like a great idea actually"

Is this a sarcasm...? No one said anything about limiting 'bumps' to 1 per forum! I suggested that one person could only bump 5 of his threads per day.

"Ivain......
You seem to understand at least a little that the problem is "not so much that they're all BY him""

Emm...so if i didn't already addressed this problem in my first reply then what exactly did i said???

...and i'm the one who doesn't understand anything?

Instead of absurdly trying to limit people's build threads to one thread

Where did you get this?! Have i said something about limiting people's builds to only one thread???

Why do i feel you only read part of my reply ...?

 

[Justis]

...So my example above wasn't informative enough? I believe i explained this situation pretty precise how i see it.

No, it's not about seeing the same thread over and over again! My reply was about the fact that anyone can make unlimited amount of threads and bump them all each 24h.
I guess i have to give you even better example what can happen.

So let's say person 'A' creates 100 threads, one for each build and bumps them every day. (this will fill 1st 3 pages easily)
Then for example comes person 'B' and bump one thread.
10 min later comes person 'C' and bumps 50 of his threads.

I believe now it's pretty clear what i meant with "complete mess"?




Whole Concern is about the fact that one person can make unlimited amount of threads and bump them each 24h. This is the actual issue here which is causing this 'not seeing new threads' problem...what you apparently don't see.




Is this a sarcasm...? No one said anything about limiting 'bumps' to 1 per forum! I suggested that one person could only bump 5 of his threads per day.



Emm...so if i didn't already addressed this problem in my first reply then what exactly did i said???

...and i'm the one who doesn't understand anything?




Where did you get this?! Have i said something about limiting people's builds to only one thread???

Why do i feel you only read part of my reply ...?

Jeez man calm down.
The OP said we should limit people's builds to one thread, I wasn't talking about you.
And I'm sorry, but you're being extremely confusing.
First you say: "No, it's not about seeing the same thread over and over again! My reply was about the fact that anyone can make unlimited amount of threads and bump them all each 24h."
And then:
"Whole Concern is about the fact that one person can make unlimited amount of threads and bump them each 24h. This is the actual issue here which is causing this 'not seeing new threads' problem...what you apparently don't see."

Telling me the effect is not the problem, but the cause?
Look... I don't know how to explain logic and reasoning to you, but a cause cannot be anything without an effect.
I'm trying to resolve the effect, pages being flooded, by reducing bumps per forum.
So even if people created an unlimited amount of threads, which they should be able to if they are providing the forums with an unlimited amount of builds, compared to someone providing only one build.. They don't flood the page, and are forced to advertise one at a time.
I'm not sure what you're issue with this is...
Or if you were just yelling at me because you have a problem with the way I proposed it.
No it was not sarcasm, and no I was not saying it was your idea.
Quite frankly, your attitude doesn't compel me to accredit you with anything, really.. I think you might want to calm down. You're giving yourself an image that doesn't do you justice, I'm sure.

 

[MrAniman2]

Jeez man calm down.
The OP said we should limit people's builds to one thread, I wasn't talking about you.
And I'm sorry, but you're being extremely confusing.
First you say: "No, it's not about seeing the same thread over and over again! My reply was about the fact that anyone can make unlimited amount of threads and bump them all each 24h."
And then:
"Whole Concern is about the fact that one person can make unlimited amount of threads and bump them each 24h. This is the actual issue here which is causing this 'not seeing new threads' problem...what you apparently don't see."

Telling me the effect is not the problem, but the cause?
Look... I don't know how to explain logic and reasoning to you, but a cause cannot be anything without an effect.
I'm trying to resolve the effect, pages being flooded, by reducing bumps per forum.
So even if people created an unlimited amount of threads, which they should be able to if they are providing the forums with an unlimited amount of builds, compared to someone providing only one build.. They don't flood the page, and are forced to advertise one at a time.
I'm not sure what you're issue with this is...
Or if you were just yelling at me because you have a problem with the way I proposed it.
No it was not sarcasm, and no I was not saying it was your idea.
Quite frankly, your attitude doesn't compel me to accredit you with anything, really.. I think you might want to calm down. You're giving yourself an image that doesn't do you justice, I'm sure.

Ok let me fix this:

No, it's not /only/ about seeing the same thread over and over again! (As you apparently think) My reply was about the fact that anyone can make unlimited amount of threads and /without restrictions/ bump them all each 24h."

Also "... instead of explaining what's actually bad about it" I believe i gave you a really good example. But alright, as you say...


I'm really sorry, limiting the bumping to 1 thread per forum truly sounds very fair...! :/

Anyway I'm not in a mood to discuss more this topic with you... seems you still don't understand what i really meant to say...so let it be.

Wish you sort this out quickly and fair for everybody. Also sorry that i wasted your time with my comments and caused confusion...this will never happen again! ...In the future i'll keep my thoughts to myself only!

"I think you might want to calm down" Leave this up to me please...

 

[Cold]

Well the builds in each of his threads are not exactly "all by him".

 

[Ivain]

Well the builds in each of his threads are not exactly "all by him".

that's not really the point. The point is that there's a crapload of threads posted by one user (whether or not the builds are his) being bumped simultaneously, to the point where they take up almost a full page.

 

[Mick]

Limiting the amount of bumping you can do per forum isn't a feature already in our addon we have installed for it and I really don't consider this to be a large enough problem to do anything about. Time spent restricting users like this could be better spent on creating some of the addons we already have pending.

This has been denied.

Thanks for your suggestion.