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The current account system has been in place for quite a while now. You link your account via MC association and you're able to create a thread (which can't be blurred) for said account. Recently, there have been certain accounts that have yielded strong evidence that the Mojang enforcement team can use accounts listed a basis for investigation, and if they see fit, lock an account. The two accounts that I'm primarily referring to were accounts worth around $600 and $1000+ respectively. MisfitNerd can vouch for this. It is NOT a coincidence that within hours of these accounts being posted on McM, they were locked, despite them having been secured for many months. For my own account that was locked, I received a reply from Mojang support after much persistence, which basically said that the account was "closed for being sold". This 100% means that McM had something to do with it, as I NEVER sold the account, only made a thread for it.

My theory is that the enforcement team will target particular accounts, ones which can be said to be worth considerably more than others, and use McM threads as a basis for an account investigation, which unavoidably leads to them being locked. The current way McM works is that any account that a normal user posts for sale on here is proof that they own it or have full access to it. That's why the enforcement team can be so sure that any account seen on here is one that is being sold. By targeting very few (for now, they might lock more gradually over time) high-end accounts, they can keep the detection rate low. Why don't they just lock every account posted you may ask? The answer is quite simple. If they locked everything, the community would immediately know, and McM would most likely reform the way accounts are sold, much like how when Mick removed the OG section for a while after the wave lock. Although this sounds like a complicated scheme, it's just quite simple for them. For now, just lock high-end accounts after investigating them.

These series of events are not coincidences. I really think Mojang is taking progressive steps to deal with account sales, and the current account selling system makes it so easy for them. I mean, I was even at MINECON and I overheard Marc talking about account sales to someone and how they were trying to take steps to prevent/stop them. MJ, Vek, Fox (whom is banned) Haa can vouch, as they were with me at minecon and heard too.

  • This is just a rough draft, but I propose a system reform for account sales. For example, an option to make accounts linked via McM association to be completely invisible. Right now, they're only invisible next to posts, but on on the profile page of the person, meaning unless people make their profiles completely private, anyone can see which accounts are tied.
  • Allow people to edit the OG Name title and replace it with asterisks, once people have successfully linked their accounts via name association. Although you might think people would abuse it to scam, it'd be pretty obvious. Furthermore, I've always said that people should always ask the seller to come on a specific server for proof of ownership.
  • This one I'm not 100% sure about, but replace the Account Association Skin Change with something less obvious that someone is trying to sell an account. Logging into a server which automatically gives a code that you can use on McM to verify ownership, exactly how Enjin does it. The problem with changing skins, is that it's extremely obvious which accounts are being sold based on skin history. If I went on NameMC and looked at an OG with 2 identical skin histories, but classified as different due to changes in the invisible layer, I'd know right away that it's linked to an McM profile and possibly being sold. When the enforcement team investigates an account, it's not impossible that they look at this too. Not via namemc of course, but via their own API.
Please consider these carefully, as many account sellers are concerned for account safety after recent events. All feedback and further suggestions are appreciated.
 
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I'm hearing more and more cases of accounts being closed due to being resold. They seem to be stemming from threads here. This really needs to be implemented along with maybe a private section with requirements similar to investments & loans for high value accounts.
 

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I don't know if you said it in here but may I ask what accounts where locked? I am just curious
 

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Some accounts that I've bought over .net have recently been locked for being resold. Mojang is starting to crack down hard on account sales.

This one I'm not 100% sure about, but replace the Account Association Skin Change with something less obvious that someone is trying to sell an account. Logging into a server which automatically gives a code that you can use on McM to verify ownership, exactly how Enjin does it. The problem with changing skins, is that it's extremely obvious which accounts are being sold based on skin history. If I went on NameMC and looked at an OG with 2 identical skin histories, but classified as different due to changes in the invisible layer, I'd know right away that it's linked to an McM profile and possibly being sold. When the enforcement team investigates an account, it's not impossible that they look at this too. Not via namemc of course, but via their own API.
The whole point of the skin changing thing is to make sure the person has full access to the account. You can log on to a Minecraft server without knowing the answers to the security questions. However, you won't be able to change the skin. Unfortunately it's the only way of proving full ownership other than forcing people to hand over their account credentials.
 

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I was even at MINECON and I overheard Marc talking about account sales to someone
I call bullshit on that. Marc isn't even doing any of that anymore. He's just the realms content manager now and I highly doubt he'd be blocking accounts for the sake of it.

As for the suggestion, it needs a lot more thought put into it so I can't really give my input on it. However, I highly doubt any of this will work. If you think a company that has a revenue in the billions will give up because of a silly asterisks, you're wrong.
 

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I call bullshit on that. Marc isn't even doing any of that anymore. He's just the realms content manager now and I highly doubt he'd be blocking accounts for the sake of it.

As for the suggestion, it needs a lot more thought put into it so I can't really give my input on it. However, I highly doubt any of this will work. If you think a company that has a revenue in the billions will give up because of a silly asterisks, you're wrong.

Not bullshit, I was at minecon with several McM members and after one of my friend met up with Marc he talked to someone else. I didn't hear ALL of it, but the guy mentioned people kept messaging him about buying his account, and Marc was talking about the issue of account sales. Several people can vouch for this.

It would help out A LOT. Right now, I could go to anyone's profile and see any account tied to their profile, and the only way they could make it private would be to set their profile to private. I doubt anyone would want to do that just for this sake. Asterisks make it much harder if done correctly, and with some cases would be impossible to figure out without PMing the seller. This is how it worked in the past and it kept sellers relatively safe, without having their accounts locked within a day of making a thread about it.
 
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I thought account sales were legal as long as a website is not directly handing them to you.
 

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You know, in some forums the only way a new member is allowed into the forum is through one, a predetermined amount paid and two, a recommendation through a members already in the secure forum. Active and trusted members from other forums are often given the privilege of joining a premium forum like this.
I could see a system similar to this one being adapted for the MC-Market; first a secure pool of members are allowed to use and view the new board, this board has minimum requirements and prerequisites for it's members to meet before being allowed an invitation. This board would have only trusted members who where serious about what they do. If a member is toxic they are voted out or banned, would be rare considering it would be hard to get into a board like this.
 

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I think it's a great idea, the same basic concept is the ones Doge and I suggested:

I think what's mostly left to do is place definitions on each step:

1. Which accounts are valuable enough to qualify?

2. What are the requirements?

3. On what terms is one banned?

On the first point, members who have a standing in the community to deal in this board section would get to choose what OG's they sell there. Member in lower standing would need to be evaluated to prove ownership of the account and then allowed to sell but not view maybe?

On the second point, only member of high standing can get into the board upon it's creation. These members would be trusted and known to the community. The ability to join the board would be offered to members in good reputation and maybe a fee should also be paid to get into this premium board. A tribunal could also vote high rated members into the board maybe? Two step verification would be a good thing if it could be added, like getting a text to your phone when you log in so your account can not be hacked.

On the last point, anything that would get you banned here on the market would also apply. Leaking the list of things for sale or taking snapshots of the board list should be enough to have someone removed from the board, what they would do puts everyone at risk.
 

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holy shit plus fucking 1 to this...
I'm 100% so scared to sell accounts for this main reason of it getting locked. today i was contacted by a user who i sold an account to around 4-5 days ago and he informed me that the account was locked.
Clearly Darkone has a huge point as i NEVER put that account up for sale on any other websites.
 

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marc is a nasty jew tbh
I know this was probably a joke, but can we stop with the Marc hate-train?

To be 100% fair, Marc is chill af. I really like the guy. I feel bad for him; he ran into a problem with his Visa and needs to come back to the US (Seattle?) temporarily. Must be hard shutting down your entire life indefinitely...

It's not him that's locking accounts; it's Mojang's new brand enforcement team. If you're going to say that Darkone over heard him talking about accounts, note that Marc started talking when the other guy questioned him. This in no way indicates that he's the one doing the locking.
 
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Possibly make a certain amount of posts before viewing the accounts section? (bypassable if you buy a rank). Because in all honestly this will A. help with the accounts being locked & B. stop people who just joined (or are ban evading) from posting bidds on threads where they're obviously just trying to scam.
 

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Possibly make a certain amount of posts before viewing the accounts section? (bypassable if you buy a rank). Because in all honestly this will A. help with the accounts being locked & B. stop people who just joined (or are ban evading) from posting bidds on threads where they're obviously just trying to scam.

If you think making viewing only possible with a 10$ rank will stop a multibillion company, I beseech you to take a math class.
 

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+1 but this is how it should work, I feel like the people who go round looking for accounts which are been sold are non-premium and non-supreme members. That's why the MC Account section should be ONLY VEIWABLE to supreme and premium users. Now, users who are premium and supreme but check for MC accounts been sold, there should be a set requirement for viewing it. For example 1 semi/OG account linked to your profile, 3 month old account, 100 messages. Now for members who are legit, they can apply in a support request asking to get access to those sections.
in my opinion you're looking too lush at this. Darkones is talking about the seriously expensive accounts. For those trades i'd suggest a hardcore system. Meaning that even just to VIEW such threads you'd have to do something or fullfill something:
Examples would be things like these:
- Request (meaning a system where you could press a button and it would send the owner of the thread that you are requesting to view it. The owner can see who send the request and evaluate on his own if he grants you permission.
- VIP Sector (this would be a sector where it only starts out with the most reputable members (f.e. Doubt Nerd Doge etc) and those would then be able to invite new people into the group if they think that user is trusted enough)

In no way perfect ideas but in my opinion the sale of such og accounts has to be EXTREMELY changed as it will otherwise die out.
 

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The reason why I'm not a fan of any sort of request system is the fact that it will decrease quality in the rest of the forum. People will go around asking how to get in the section and whatnot. And if we do reject them, what are we supposed to say? "Uhh, sorry, you're not qualified enough." or "Uhh, we think you work for Mojang so we can't invite you". I wouldn't mind doing this if it was a 100% legit system. No point in working on implementing this if Mojang will get through it eventually.

Any kind of application system is useless and a waste of time. Marc_IRL used to be a regular member. He used to post in other sections like other members. If it wasn't for his Mojang related posts, we would have never been able to separate him from other members and he would have most likely be qualified for the section.[DOUBLEPOST=1477821159][/DOUBLEPOST]
I thought account sales were legal as long as a website is not directly handing them to you.
Accounts may only be sold by Mojang. They hold all rights to the account.
 
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The sort of system I can see happening is we have two sections. One for "OG Accounts" as usual and another for the general 'rarer' accounts (Basically anything Doge has to asterisk in the current OG Account section*.

I'd say to let Doge handpick a couple members who have access to this section, and account sales for extremely rare accounts can be held there. I'd advise invite only, so that there's no requirements and nobody kicks up a fuss about an application being declined or something along those lines.

Doge (and possibly these founding members of the section) would have the ability to invite new members (Maybe there could be a limit, such as One every X days) and slowly but surely the section would grow as the founding members would be able to invite people that they trust etc (And no, the people that they invite do not have the power to invite more members, only Doge + these founders would have that power. You could possibly even introduce a sectional mod rank for them, although I doubt it's really needed).

This would promote safe sales whilst actually keeping the old section alive, as most account sales would go on in there. Even if this new section was introduced, I'd still sell the majority of my accounts in the old one, but (for example) if I was to sell my main, I'd definitely want to place it in this new section so that it doesn't get locked etc.

tl;dr
new section for better ogs, doge is moderator and can invite X amount of people when section is opened, these are the founders/moderators. doge (and possibly the founders) can invite new members that they deem trustworthy. This would keep the section exclusive and at the same time would make sure that the old "OG Accounts" section stays active.
fully have to agree with that idea. would be the best option imo
 
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