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The current account system has been in place for quite a while now. You link your account via MC association and you're able to create a thread (which can't be blurred) for said account. Recently, there have been certain accounts that have yielded strong evidence that the Mojang enforcement team can use accounts listed a basis for investigation, and if they see fit, lock an account. The two accounts that I'm primarily referring to were accounts worth around $600 and $1000+ respectively. MisfitNerd can vouch for this. It is NOT a coincidence that within hours of these accounts being posted on McM, they were locked, despite them having been secured for many months. For my own account that was locked, I received a reply from Mojang support after much persistence, which basically said that the account was "closed for being sold". This 100% means that McM had something to do with it, as I NEVER sold the account, only made a thread for it.

My theory is that the enforcement team will target particular accounts, ones which can be said to be worth considerably more than others, and use McM threads as a basis for an account investigation, which unavoidably leads to them being locked. The current way McM works is that any account that a normal user posts for sale on here is proof that they own it or have full access to it. That's why the enforcement team can be so sure that any account seen on here is one that is being sold. By targeting very few (for now, they might lock more gradually over time) high-end accounts, they can keep the detection rate low. Why don't they just lock every account posted you may ask? The answer is quite simple. If they locked everything, the community would immediately know, and McM would most likely reform the way accounts are sold, much like how when Mick removed the OG section for a while after the wave lock. Although this sounds like a complicated scheme, it's just quite simple for them. For now, just lock high-end accounts after investigating them.

These series of events are not coincidences. I really think Mojang is taking progressive steps to deal with account sales, and the current account selling system makes it so easy for them. I mean, I was even at MINECON and I overheard Marc talking about account sales to someone and how they were trying to take steps to prevent/stop them. MJ, Vek, Fox (whom is banned) Haa can vouch, as they were with me at minecon and heard too.

  • This is just a rough draft, but I propose a system reform for account sales. For example, an option to make accounts linked via McM association to be completely invisible. Right now, they're only invisible next to posts, but on on the profile page of the person, meaning unless people make their profiles completely private, anyone can see which accounts are tied.
  • Allow people to edit the OG Name title and replace it with asterisks, once people have successfully linked their accounts via name association. Although you might think people would abuse it to scam, it'd be pretty obvious. Furthermore, I've always said that people should always ask the seller to come on a specific server for proof of ownership.
  • This one I'm not 100% sure about, but replace the Account Association Skin Change with something less obvious that someone is trying to sell an account. Logging into a server which automatically gives a code that you can use on McM to verify ownership, exactly how Enjin does it. The problem with changing skins, is that it's extremely obvious which accounts are being sold based on skin history. If I went on NameMC and looked at an OG with 2 identical skin histories, but classified as different due to changes in the invisible layer, I'd know right away that it's linked to an McM profile and possibly being sold. When the enforcement team investigates an account, it's not impossible that they look at this too. Not via namemc of course, but via their own API.
Please consider these carefully, as many account sellers are concerned for account safety after recent events. All feedback and further suggestions are appreciated.
 
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I've stressed this for over a year now and most members looked upon me as being dumb for stating it.

Posting Minecraft usernames on a public forum as clearly 'FOR SALE' with attached verification of ownership at the moment is basically like sending a postcard to Mojang head office asking for your account to be locked. For those who don't think their employees are refreshing pages on this site every hour of the day to gather info of top-tier accounts being sold then you're kidding yourself.

MC-Market should start focusing more on the marketplace side of things. This site should be a safe and secure place to conduct this type of trading activity, yet all the focus seems to be on making the website look nice, adding features and coloured names to making it look like some sort of MC-Memes kids site.

Just take a look at what is happening here, and tell me that MC-Market isn't failing to serve and provide this unique community with what it needs.
 

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My opinion is that we should not say whether the account gets sold on the thread because if you say it is sold a mojang affiliate could lock the account since it is breaking a vital rule. I think we should immediately trash the thread so that mojang cannot prove that the account was sold, Therefore it would not break any rules because the mojang rules for selling accounts states they cannot be sold in any fashion but they cannot prove the accounts were sold resulting them in having no proof to lock the accounts.
 

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Trillious They're locking for being "for sale" and not sold, that would change nothing.
Honestly, the perfect solution is not publicly posting the accounts. Sell them over PM, anyone buying a 500$+ account knows to verify ownership.
That way accounts aren't locked and are covered by scam reports. It's not like everyone is buying the really valuable accounts, it's generally the same cluster of people, invite only auctions via PM is the safest.
 

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Trillious They're locking for being "for sale" and not sold, that would change nothing.
Honestly, the perfect solution is not publicly posting the accounts. Sell them over PM, anyone buying a 500$+ account knows to verify ownership.
That way accounts aren't locked and are covered by scam reports. It's not like everyone is buying the really valuable accounts, it's generally the same cluster of people, invite only auctions via PM is the safest.
First of all, Its not against the rules to try to sell an account its only against the rules when accounts are sold. More accounts that are marked "Sold" rather then just being there are way more likely to be locked. You cannot sell the accounts over pm because that would make them extremely hard to sell.
 

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Trillious They can, and have, locked accounts that were for sale and not sold. You absolutely can sell over PM and skype, don't you know how all those two letters entered the market?
 

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Trillious They can, and have, locked accounts that were for sale and not sold. You absolutely can sell over PM and skype, don't you know how all those two letters entered the market?
Im just saying it wont be as nearly effective as what bidding is today on the forums
 

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Trillious It won't be as effective, you're right, but it's leagues safer and I'd rather make 10% less money and take a week longer to sell an account than have it locked and be out a few hundred.
 

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Trillious It won't be as effective, you're right, but it's leagues safer and I'd rather make 10% less money and take a week longer to sell an account than have it locked and be out a few hundred.
true, but the only problem is for people that would like the account but do not have access to it.
 

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This is gonna be a really fucking dumb question but... why is Mojang always harping on people for account sales? What good does it actually do mojang? They have already gotten what money they will get out of it.
 

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This is gonna be a really fucking dumb question but... why is Mojang always harping on people for account sales? What good does it actually do mojang? They have already gotten what money they will get out of it.
I wouldn't mind having an answer to that myself. Marc never gave me an honest reply. He'd go on and on about how we were all toxic, immature children trying to scam each other and how we had no idea what actually happened behind the scenes at Mojang, but he'd never answer actual questions. One of those questions is why he cared so much. If we're so toxic and immature, why was he constantly on our ass, trying to get us to stop?

I really respect the guy now, but this one thing has irritated me to no end for the past year. In essence, he was saying "you're so dumb and stupid that I don't need to explain myself to you". The same logic a parent uses against a child when he/she has honestly run out of good answers to give the child. What's the air I got from Marc back then. That's why I think there's no real reason, they just want to do it. Of course, I could be wrong.
 
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This is gonna be a really fucking dumb question but... why is Mojang always harping on people for account sales? What good does it actually do mojang? They have already gotten what money they will get out of it.

I wouldn't mind having an answer to that myself. Marc never gave me an honest reply. He'd go on and on about how we were all toxic, immature children trying to scam each other (which applies not only to us, but to humanity in general) and how we had no idea what actually happened behind the scenes at Mojang, but he'd never answer actual questions. One of those questions is why he cared so much. If we're so toxic and immature, why was he constantly on our ass, trying to get us to stop?

I really respect the guy now, but this one thing has irritated me to no end for the past year. In essence, he was saying "you're so dumb and stupid that I don't need to explain myself to you". The same logic a parent uses against a child when he/she has honestly run out of good answers to give the child. What's the air I got from Marc back then. That's why I think there's no real reason, they just want to do it. Of course, I could be wrong.

Companies have TOS's a lot are dumb. And a lot make sense to protect there brand and make sure nobody disturbs the brand they worked to hard to make it to what it is today.

Personally, It makes sense they do this. Account selling is like me giving you a copy of the game and me making profit off THERE game. They much rather have you pay $25 off there website then pay me 200$ for a OG. It does make sense they do this.

In my opinion. I know it loses money from Mojang and it disturbs them we make money off there game. But I see them as butt hurted users. If kids wanna use there parents credit cards and buy ranks on popular servers then realms and Minecrates that's our choices. It just makes the game more fun that way. But of course Mojang is just another one of those companies that care about money and make sure people don't make profit over there game.

No, I believe most of these reasons are incorrect. It's no secret that a big chunk of non Minecraft.net accounts that are sold off site are acquired by cracking or other illegal ways. Sure, some OG's are sniped but allowing any sort of account sales somewhat encourages cracking and whatnot. And of course Mojang doesn't want to deal with the aftermath of a cracked account trying to be retrieved by it's original owners.

I also don't like MC-Market accounts being compromised or sold, hence why we pretty much instant ban if that's the case.

Edit: Also, if anything, accounts being cracked increases their sales. The amount of people that create new accounts on MC-Market simply because they forgot the details of their old one still surprises me.

Wouldn't surprise me if most 12 year olds are not capable of contacting Mojang support to retrieve their account.
 

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No, I believe most of these reasons are incorrect. It's no secret that a big chunk of non Minecraft.net accounts that are sold off site are acquired by cracking or other illegal ways. Sure, some OG's are sniped but allowing any sort of account sales somewhat encourages cracking and whatnot. And of course Mojang doesn't want to deal with the aftermath of a cracked account trying to be retrieved by it's original owners.

I also don't like MC-Market accounts being compromised or sold, hence why we pretty much instant ban if that's the case.

Edit: Also, if anything, accounts being cracked increases their sales. The amount of people that create new accounts on MC-Market simply because they forgot the details of their old one still surprises me.

Wouldn't surprise me if most 12 year olds are not capable of contacting Mojang support to retrieve their account.
Ok, that makes sense thanks Mr Ajdin Boss-man, Red , and remibarna.
 

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Every sold/locked thread should be deleted or hidden from public view. problem solved.
 

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Every sold/locked thread should be deleted or hidden from public view. problem solved.
If it was that simple it would've already been solved. Plus what would that do, you have to see it to know it is being sold; that then gives mojang what they need.
 
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