Change OG Account system

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The current account system has been in place for quite a while now. You link your account via MC association and you're able to create a thread (which can't be blurred) for said account. Recently, there have been certain accounts that have yielded strong evidence that the Mojang enforcement team can use accounts listed a basis for investigation, and if they see fit, lock an account. The two accounts that I'm primarily referring to were accounts worth around $600 and $1000+ respectively. MisfitNerd can vouch for this. It is NOT a coincidence that within hours of these accounts being posted on McM, they were locked, despite them having been secured for many months. For my own account that was locked, I received a reply from Mojang support after much persistence, which basically said that the account was "closed for being sold". This 100% means that McM had something to do with it, as I NEVER sold the account, only made a thread for it.

My theory is that the enforcement team will target particular accounts, ones which can be said to be worth considerably more than others, and use McM threads as a basis for an account investigation, which unavoidably leads to them being locked. The current way McM works is that any account that a normal user posts for sale on here is proof that they own it or have full access to it. That's why the enforcement team can be so sure that any account seen on here is one that is being sold. By targeting very few (for now, they might lock more gradually over time) high-end accounts, they can keep the detection rate low. Why don't they just lock every account posted you may ask? The answer is quite simple. If they locked everything, the community would immediately know, and McM would most likely reform the way accounts are sold, much like how when Mick removed the OG section for a while after the wave lock. Although this sounds like a complicated scheme, it's just quite simple for them. For now, just lock high-end accounts after investigating them.

These series of events are not coincidences. I really think Mojang is taking progressive steps to deal with account sales, and the current account selling system makes it so easy for them. I mean, I was even at MINECON and I overheard Marc talking about account sales to someone and how they were trying to take steps to prevent/stop them. MJ, Vek, Fox (whom is banned) Haa can vouch, as they were with me at minecon and heard too.

  • This is just a rough draft, but I propose a system reform for account sales. For example, an option to make accounts linked via McM association to be completely invisible. Right now, they're only invisible next to posts, but on on the profile page of the person, meaning unless people make their profiles completely private, anyone can see which accounts are tied.
  • Allow people to edit the OG Name title and replace it with asterisks, once people have successfully linked their accounts via name association. Although you might think people would abuse it to scam, it'd be pretty obvious. Furthermore, I've always said that people should always ask the seller to come on a specific server for proof of ownership.
  • This one I'm not 100% sure about, but replace the Account Association Skin Change with something less obvious that someone is trying to sell an account. Logging into a server which automatically gives a code that you can use on McM to verify ownership, exactly how Enjin does it. The problem with changing skins, is that it's extremely obvious which accounts are being sold based on skin history. If I went on NameMC and looked at an OG with 2 identical skin histories, but classified as different due to changes in the invisible layer, I'd know right away that it's linked to an McM profile and possibly being sold. When the enforcement team investigates an account, it's not impossible that they look at this too. Not via namemc of course, but via their own API.
Please consider these carefully, as many account sellers are concerned for account safety after recent events. All feedback and further suggestions are appreciated.
 
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My idea was to have 'fake' accounts for sale.

These would randomly appear by fake users (created by admins) made to look legit, people would bid on it as normal, but the account would never move out of the auction stage.

Then Mojang randomly locks people's accounts (people that dont even know about MCM), they get chargebacks from those people and everyone is happy (except Mojang)! Perfect! Just the way we want it :D
that is so fuckin dumb
 

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Maybe because you're a Mojang employee :eek::eek:

Point is - if you're gonna keep the OG accounts section open to the registered public (to increase sales), you're going to run into Mojang employees. The employees are gonna guess your seriously obvious asterisks (Example: who pay $100+ for "Fodo", its obviously "Fido") and they will mercilessly lock it, whether you managed to sell it in time or not (OP's case as a prime example).

If you close the section to "approved" people only, sales will suffer (especially semis). People will go back to other sales forums and sites and forget about MCM's accounts section. Might as well delete it.

Your thoughts on that?
my idea is you only allow registered users to use the site -_- also block people from stockholm from seeing accounts
 

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my idea is you only allow registered users to use the site -_- also block people from stockholm from seeing accounts
It's not really hard for Mojang to register and even buy Premium/Supreme.

And blocking entire Stockholm because their office is there is just silly. Other users have to suffer to maybe disallow mojang? Pretty sure they have private networks with Microsoft and are pretty much able to geolocate themselves where they want.
 

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True, they could probably even use a Bing bot IP and user agent, and the "Register" button isn't hard to find.

Ajdin I trust you don't allow unregistered users to view the accounts section? Cuz if you do, that's just dumb.
I do allow that and it's far from dumb. 75% of incoming search traffic goes straight to account threads so it gives more visibility for the account sellers. It's not like disallowing guests is going to stop Mojang anyways. You said yourself how hitting that register button isn't hard.

And besides, if it ever comes down to it, tracking registered users is easier than tracking guests.
 

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yeah

what happens when a cracked account gets TID'd back after it's been sold?
who's fault is it? the one who cracked/stole it or the person for buying?
who's responsibility is it?
Ew's
 

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Hi there, I'll move this to pending for now.

There's been a few ideas in particular on this thread which seem pretty cool, we can see how we do in the future updates.

Thanks for the suggestion.
 

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Reading my response to old suggestion threads makes me wince.

I'm not going to be making any changes to this particular part of the site at the moment, as there are other areas which deserve more focus and are moreso the direction I wish to bring MC-Market in the next few years. I want to encourage more activity in sections other than this one and so won't be making the suggested change.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion
 
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