Clearing things up.
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I see a LOT of empty threats there. "tonight over 100 people will post bad reviews on MCM".
I know some people have multiple personalities, but I've never heard of 3 people having 100 personalities among them.
I also see a clear confession there was an intent to create alt accounts using VPN's. This means that any people that DO vouch for them in then near future, and are relatively new members, should be subject to close scrutiny.
So far, I have seen a lot of evidence in favor of Wiz and M6gaming, and very little against.
M6Gaming I would really appreciate it if you could post the entire conversation somewhere in the next few days (don't hurry more than you want to) so that we can verify the entire story without a shadow of a doubt.
Also, a screenshot of the paypal confirmation of the chargeback (with sensitive data blocked out) would end this right now, with what you've already shown.
I know some people have multiple personalities, but I've never heard of 3 people having 100 personalities among them.
I also see a clear confession there was an intent to create alt accounts using VPN's. This means that any people that DO vouch for them in then near future, and are relatively new members, should be subject to close scrutiny.
So far, I have seen a lot of evidence in favor of Wiz and M6gaming, and very little against.
M6Gaming I would really appreciate it if you could post the entire conversation somewhere in the next few days (don't hurry more than you want to) so that we can verify the entire story without a shadow of a doubt.
Also, a screenshot of the paypal confirmation of the chargeback (with sensitive data blocked out) would end this right now, with what you've already shown.
Telling you again, he is a scammer, scammers must get fined or get punished more harshly by other legal ways.
This person is free and he will continue to dupe people with the help of Mick.
I warn you guys about it, and you take it as a joke.
You will not laugh when you will get hoaxed on $300 and get nothing instead for 5+ days except the abuse.
That is all that I want to say.
My project is rapidly moving forward, this Wiz guy will make another mistake some time and will get into a big trouble, I am certain about that.
I have nothing else to say.[DOUBLEPOST=1450030630,1450030548][/DOUBLEPOST]
This thread conversation is empty. Read the whole thing.
This person is free and he will continue to dupe people with the help of Mick.
I warn you guys about it, and you take it as a joke.
You will not laugh when you will get hoaxed on $300 and get nothing instead for 5+ days except the abuse.
That is all that I want to say.
My project is rapidly moving forward, this Wiz guy will make another mistake some time and will get into a big trouble, I am certain about that.
I have nothing else to say.[DOUBLEPOST=1450030630,1450030548][/DOUBLEPOST]
I told you that I do not care what you have seen, read the whole conversation and only then we will talk, you can crop the conversation more with only our mistakes and evade thousands of abusive messages and refusals to give our money back from Wiz.
This thread conversation is empty. Read the whole thing.
Its funny how you're constantly telling me to read the "whole conversation" while failing to post it. M6gaming has made a very respectable effort to show proof that, while not being 100% conclusive, is a lot more useful than the little snippets you and wiz have shown of insulting each other.
In the meantime, you could have posted this "entire conversation" multiple times since the first time I asked you for it, back in your own thread. You have failed to post it.
If you DO decide to post it, make sure each screenshot has somewhat overlapping messages so we know that there is nothing missing. If M6gaming could do that if he posts it as well, then we can finally get to the heart of this matter.
https://chatformat.com/nvJnyNvR/ here's the most part[DOUBLEPOST=1450031012,1450030946][/DOUBLEPOST]this is a nice proof of that Mike acts in a criminal cartel with Wiz btw)
https://gyazo.com/4af314909a4e20f0e313fc8c3df53edf[DOUBLEPOST=1450031138][/DOUBLEPOST]Probably after you read it, you will understand that Wiz is a scammer and I am actually only a guy who tries to warn you about it.
My project is huge, it will get thousands of people on it, and this account or the one that is similar will get a lot of reputation on it, and I will repost all of that just for fun.
We will see the reaction after that, you will notice that it will be way different.
That's why I am telling you that reputation on this corrupted project means nothing, which I proved.
https://gyazo.com/4af314909a4e20f0e313fc8c3df53edf[DOUBLEPOST=1450031138][/DOUBLEPOST]Probably after you read it, you will understand that Wiz is a scammer and I am actually only a guy who tries to warn you about it.
My project is huge, it will get thousands of people on it, and this account or the one that is similar will get a lot of reputation on it, and I will repost all of that just for fun.
We will see the reaction after that, you will notice that it will be way different.
That's why I am telling you that reputation on this corrupted project means nothing, which I proved.
here's the better version: https://chatformat.com/jbqA2Ybr/[DOUBLEPOST=1450031429,1450031393][/DOUBLEPOST]
he slacked for 6 days in a row as I told, read my previous messages lol[DOUBLEPOST=1450031482][/DOUBLEPOST]Ivain, can you please go to Skype with me?
Can you just post EVERY message instead of "here is the most part" and continuing to leave out messages? You're wondering why people aren't taking your side, and it's probably because you refuse to even take the time to provide full chat logs of the messages. If I was scammed $300, I'd be producing up every bit of evidence I could. No one wants to add you on skype because of the dox threats already issued against Wiz and M6.
I can't see why it would be hard for you to copy and paste a group message or two into chatformat, you might be able to prove yourself more and you'd get a lot more respect and inquiry.
I do not intend to go to skype with you, anything I say will happen in this thread from now. Why? because everyone has the right to know what the 2 of us say.
I deleted my previous post because I made a few visual errors (mild dyslexia). I will now be analyzing it more closely.
However, the start and the end all have a date of 12/12/2015. Please show the points where you asked for information and did not receive it. Please also show ALL of their reactions to it.
By the way this is what i was asking for all the time, if this had happened sooner it would likely be done by now
I deleted my previous post because I made a few visual errors (mild dyslexia). I will now be analyzing it more closely.
However, the start and the end all have a date of 12/12/2015. Please show the points where you asked for information and did not receive it. Please also show ALL of their reactions to it.
By the way this is what i was asking for all the time, if this had happened sooner it would likely be done by now
I was never added to the main group as I left it second we were done working with you, so I can't confirm if all those statements are legit.
I was added to the one group with all the drama here - https://chatformat.com/3b7oyJbJ/
I'm willing to actually take screenshots of the chat rather than chatformat if you would like to confirm all the statements are true. The statements that are blank with "-" is when a user is either removed or added by a skype administrator.
Which threats lol? I never threatened anybody at all... We had too many conversations out there.
I refunded the most part of my money and just want all of you to know that m6 and Wiz are acting like criminals and you should never trust them. And Mick accidently cooperated with them. That's it guys. I am getting tired of it.[DOUBLEPOST=1450031931,1450031850][/DOUBLEPOST]I have 0 interest of doing that already, if you do not want to listen to me. I made my conclusions and I refunded most of the money. I got the ambivalence that I wanted and I am sure that now people will think twice before working with Wiz and before trusting Mick.
That's my ending point.
You guys are welcome to join the beta test of my project.[DOUBLEPOST=1450031984][/DOUBLEPOST]Wiz is the most miserable person I've ever met in developer's circles. I am telling you again that his criminal approach will punish him eventually.
Can you please stop double posting random crap?
And if Wiz and I were criminals, we wouldn't be on MCM would we? I don't see why your being so salty over the fact that we just showed how you disrespected us and this deal went down. You ordered a chargeback, we waited for your side of the view in chatlogs which in my view doesn't really seem legit, you're dodging us and still talking complete trash.
I think I should be done here, anymore questions/concerns Ivain, just ask. Anyone else as well.
It seems like you're out to ruin him and provide no proof. You seem to be breaking more rules than he is. Spamming some threads and comments which will eventually become buried away in a massive horde of thousands isn't going to do you much. Honestly, you look like the bad guy here trying to ruin someone's reputation with no valid proof of wrongdoing.
I see no way to solve this issue for now, too much crap is s
ha-ha, not legit? You can read them in Skype right now. You act like a criminal dude, admit it. All that I showed you that you can't get out of this that easy. I do not let scammers go.
So far, I've seen a LOT of expressions of people being "suspects" and "felons" and "criminals". Not exactly pleasant working conditions.
Also, Req is trying way too hard to control what is being said. you don't tell people in a skype chat to SHUT UP" by spamming the chat repeatedly until they do XD..
Another interesting thing is that the amount you accuse them of stealing varies a lot.
On here, it is $300. In other chatformats, it is also $300.
In the one provided by M6, it is first $300 then $600 then $1000.
The part about "cartel" is still bullshit, as it is all too likely you were breaking a rule of the forums, with the way you have been behaving in some of these chats.
I also still haven't seen any attempts to prove what they stole. I've only seen threads where you were accusing them of having stolen something, using screenshots that "villim" provided you with, that you never included in a scam report that you still didn't make.
oh, and saying "WE ARE ADULTS" in allcaps is not exactly convincing...
Finally, with all the unproven accusations I've seen so far, they could take you to court for extensive slander, except for the one thing that the internet is kindof a gray area. The only thing that is strongly regulated on the internet is copyright infringement and theft of personal data. You COULD make a case on having had $300 "stolen from you". Assuming you could prove it to the satisfaction of a court, which is a lot more skeptical by nature than we have been. Trust me on this, I have experience (as a witness, not as the accuser or accused).
Also, Req is trying way too hard to control what is being said. you don't tell people in a skype chat to SHUT UP" by spamming the chat repeatedly until they do XD..
Another interesting thing is that the amount you accuse them of stealing varies a lot.
On here, it is $300. In other chatformats, it is also $300.
In the one provided by M6, it is first $300 then $600 then $1000.
The part about "cartel" is still bullshit, as it is all too likely you were breaking a rule of the forums, with the way you have been behaving in some of these chats.
I also still haven't seen any attempts to prove what they stole. I've only seen threads where you were accusing them of having stolen something, using screenshots that "villim" provided you with, that you never included in a scam report that you still didn't make.
oh, and saying "WE ARE ADULTS" in allcaps is not exactly convincing...
Finally, with all the unproven accusations I've seen so far, they could take you to court for extensive slander, except for the one thing that the internet is kindof a gray area. The only thing that is strongly regulated on the internet is copyright infringement and theft of personal data. You COULD make a case on having had $300 "stolen from you". Assuming you could prove it to the satisfaction of a court, which is a lot more skeptical by nature than we have been. Trust me on this, I have experience (as a witness, not as the accuser or accused).
I am actually the "good" guy. I want this person to be ruined cause he wanted to ruin my project at the first place and he nearly did, because we have very strict due dates and I need to report everything to the investors really fast.
I have other people working on it already, so this is over. I will not go to court, cause I talked to other people and we see no reason.
These 2 people are discredited, that's it.
Kenneth, I am sorry for the mess that occurred, but that's the only way to get attention.[DOUBLEPOST=1450032512,1450032438][/DOUBLEPOST]As I said before, beware of scammers and their accomplices.
The scam fact is confirmed. Any discussion protecting the scammers will not help it.
Mc market is slowly proving itself to be a criminal network with Mick at the top.
Check people three times, which I did not do.
Have a good weekend guys.
So far, any accusations on their part have lacked conclusive evidence. mcter You can visit ANY (noncorrupt)lawyer in any developed country and ask them if the evidence you have provided so far could be used to convict someone of theft. I will guarantee 99.99% (leaving that 0.01% in case some country has some law that magically supports only the accuser) that they will say it is not possible with what you have shown here.
M6Gaming, I mentioned a screenshot showing a paypal confirmation that money was charged back, and the amount. A Transaction ID and the amount showing will be enough, the rest can be blotted out as much as you like.
(in general)
If I had acquired a degree in law and went on to become a judge, and this case was laid before me, I would clear M6gaming and Wiz for lack of evidence. They may not have had 100% proof that they are innocent of every crime convicted, but nobody can prove EVERY time. If I picked a random person on the street and asked them to prove that they DIDN'T rob the local jewelry store, they would not be able to provide sufficient evidence if that happened, unless they were lucky enough to have a witness vouch they were far enough away from the store that they could not have conceivably robbed it. Yet I will still clear them.
Why, you ask? because most courts in the western world still act under the concept of "innocent until proven guilty".
(unless it is of sincere interest to a government organisation that they are not, such as in FBI and CIA supported cases. But that's a discussion for another time)
(mcter)
Oh, and its funny how you keep involving Mick and calling him a criminal mastermind because he deleted 1 of your threads. Yet he allowed you to continue making posts and replying to them. He only locked your other post because there was a flame war going on there, which is against the rules.
He has not banned you yet, which is what I would do if I was a criminal mastermind.
Note that he already has ground to do so. You have extensively broken the "be respectful" rule by repeatedly calling all of us collectively "cartel", as well as constantly disrespecting other people(including Mick. That alone is not enough to get you banned, sure.
But you have also broken the "targeting" rule, which forbids actively trying to get a user banned by anything other than a scam report with evidence or reporting any of their posts that break rules. Almost ALL of what you have been doing on here is targeting Wiz, and to a lesser extent G6.
So it is extremely generous in my eyes that you have not been banned yet. And it already disproves the entire cartel agrument, as a cartel would have banned you ages ago.
Asked you to end this, you continue.
I lost money already and I made conclusions about the scammers (Wiz and M6)
I am not sure about Mick, but I know that he's friends with Wiz and I know that he helped him out to implement the scam. That's all I know. I apologise for anything else I said about Mick.
This is over, thank you guys for reading.
Sure, the paypal owner is Wiz1. I was agreed to sent half after the pending was gone onto my own private paypal but since this all happened...
Wiz1 if you may screenshot the chargeback, when you're back please?
Thank you Ivain, should be provided soon
We aren't scammers, he didn't implement out any scams...
You are a complete joke man, you really think Mick would do all this? Then go create a Personal Message with Mick, and resolve this with himself. I'm sure he would love to fix any false opinions you have with us.
I need all 300 refunded, not 200...
And as I told, it's over, M6, you and Wiz proved yourselves to be scammers, cause you still own my files and I still have not all money refunded.
If you refund the money and delete the files, I am ok with that.
And yeah, if you apologize for your abuse, I will also be grateful.
Lord help me,
Since when did we ever abuse you? And as stated above, I can't refund you. You ordered a chargeback, handle that with PayPal yourself. Wiz1 can provide the paypal proof when he's back if you'd like because you paid him, not me.
And I'm not apologizing either, thank you very much. You call me retarded, call us scammers, call Mick a mastermind of a scam? Not exactly apologizing for wasting our time.
My team puts more team on our hands just for this one plugin, if you treat us like this - this is what happens. The files have already been scraped, no purpose of them. But the other 2 concerns of yours may not be given by me. Good day and I wish you good luck with Mick!
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