Deal related Rep only

[74194]

Hello just throwing out a suggestion feel free to give your opinions, I don't really get offended.
-For my time on the sight I had been mostly an observer, I watched as people would resolve issues and works things out. Now it has turned to one bad altercation and you are deemed toxic for the entire site to see
- I know this is not a big deal but it hurts certain people because rep is the main source in how to know if someone is trustworthy.
-I propose that rep be used for deal related interactions as that is what it most influences
-Everyone can probably agree that when going into a deal they check the persons rep and any negative throws up an immediate red flag. I have watched as people have been neg repped from conversations that didn't deserve it and now actively try to get rid of it becuase it hurts their business. This is a market place reputation should be based on sales and deals not if you didn't agree with someones view point in the shoutbox
- I consider myself to be new and there is a culture that I just don't agree with. Many times I have wanted to say something in response to an outlandish comment or attack but refrain as I fear a neg rep that will turn many people away as I have not done much business here.
- I think the reputation system has Brought a culture of negativity and has been used to censor users
- To leave a reputation one should have to provide a proof of purchase, link to the sales thread, or any sort of evidence
*I get why its used for toxicity and things like that but rep is used as the main marker for trust and I don't think being deemed toxic or something similar should affect how you do business. This is not a formal setting and I don't want to feel censored when expressing things to people I talk to

 

[Jack]

Hello just throwing out a suggestion feel free to give your opinions, I don't really get offended.
-For my time on the sight I had been mostly an observer, I watched as people would resolve issues and works things out. Now it has turned to one bad altercation and you are deemed toxic for the entire site to see
- I know this is not a big deal but it hurts certain people because rep is the main source in how to know if someone is trustworthy.
-I propose that rep be used for deal related interactions as that is what it most influences
-Everyone can probably agree that when going into a deal they check the persons rep and any negative throws up an immediate red flag. I have watched as people have been neg repped from conversations that didn't deserve it and now actively try to get rid of it becuase it hurts their business. This is a market place reputation should be based on sales and deals not if you didn't agree with someones view point in the shoutbox
- I consider myself to be new and there is a culture that I just don't agree with. Many times I have wanted to say something in response to an outlandish comment or attack but refrain as I fear a neg rep that will turn many people away as I have not done much business here.
- I think the reputation system has Brought a culture of negativity and has been used to censor users
- To leave a reputation one should have to provide a proof of purchase, link to the sales thread, or any sort of evidence
*I get why its used for toxicity and things like that but rep is used as the main marker for trust and I don't think being deemed toxic or something similar should affect how you do business. This is not a formal setting and I don't want to feel censored when expressing things to people I talk to

I used to be against soley-deal-based rep.
Occasionally I see really toxic individuals or someone doing something super immoral (and sometimes straightup blackhat) and leave them negative reputation for it. Usually within 5 mins I also have a negative rep on my page saying something whiney and sarcastic, mocking the rep I had posted on their profile. I report it and it usually gets removed, because it's simple revenge rep and the person has no idea who I am, but the whole game (like playing tag "you're it") is just getting old.
Bringing back the deal-based rep would fix this I suppose (but also won't allow people to flag toxic individuals in the community).

 

[74194]

I used to be against soley-deal-based rep.
Occasionally I see really toxic individuals or someone doing something super immoral (and sometimes straightup blackhat) and leave them negative reputation for it. Usually within 5 mins I also have a negative rep on my page saying something whiney and sarcastic, mocking the rep I had posted on their profile. I report it and it usually gets removed, because it's simple revenge rep and the person has no idea who I am, but the whole game (like playing tag "you're it") is just getting old.
Bringing back the deal-based rep would fix this I suppose (but also won't allow people to flag toxic individuals in the community).

Yeah I get that. I just think you have an ignore button for a reason. People have various personalities and tolerate different things. Something I say you might find funny but the next person finds it offensive and calls me toxic. That should be solely up to the person you are speaking and interacting with. About 90% of people with neg reps that have something to do with toxcicity also have deals with other people saying theyre great to work with but those couple neg reps refuse them to be able to middle man for some users or just generally hurt what they are trying to sell/do on the site.[DOUBLEPOST=1527749019][/DOUBLEPOST]and another side note people have good and bad days all the time. After a long day I log in at 1 am and see somebody calling someone broke and how they have so much money all I want to do is tell that person to shut up and other various things that most people deem toxic. I generally get a long with people just with the current system there is no room to express a negative opinion without being neg repped. Its a flawed system at the moment

 

[74194]

All rep

 

[Hibachis]

What about the ‘Other’ section? Sometimes I give reputation that isn’t necessarily a ‘deal’. For example, Minecraft Staff Recruitment — if someone hires me as a manager for their server and they think I do an awesome job and want to rep me, they won’t be able to because it’s not a deal?

Buying and selling aren’t the only things that go on in the forum so I disagree with this.

 

[74194]

What about the ‘Other’ section? Sometimes I give reputation that isn’t necessarily a ‘deal’. For example, Minecraft Staff Recruitment — if someone hires me as a manager for their server and they think I do an awesome job and want to rep me, they won’t be able to because it’s not a deal?

Buying and selling aren’t the only things that go on in the forum so I disagree with this.

Fair point I generally counted these types of things in the same type of realm. Rep should be given when there is a direct service or good. For example if the person you hire is unprofessional and rude to players you could leave a rep with proof you worked with him/her. If that makes any sense

 

[utaninja]

This has already been suggested and denied for a good reason.

I'll give an example.

Justis and I are talking, let's just say randomly he starts calling shots at me and says I'm being a jerk and overall cursing me out. Do you think that's a good reason to leave a reputation? Yes. People need to be able to express their opinion about someone. This is one of the main reasons that negative reputations aren't removed. It's an opinion. If I have a negative experience with Nutella then I should be able to leave a negative reputation against him.

 

[Justis]

Just add reputation types i.e. deals and personality or something similar, and then have it to where there's a rule against revenge rep.

If they have something relevant and informative to say about you, then whether or not they're pissed that you left reputation on them first is irrelevant. They should be able to leave reputation informing others of that relevant information.
If they have nothing relevant and informative to say about you and they leave reputation anyways, they'll be in violation of rule 9.1 and you can report the reputation for removal.

Creating a "revenge rep" rule will only result in you having your reputation reported for removal if you happen place it after they placed theirs first.
Someone has to come first, that doesn't make the first person to leave it right, nor the second person wrong.
Reputation should always be judged purely on the information that's include. Which is what rule 9.1 is for.

 

[MTG]

all 3 of my negative reps are inactive people one hasnt logged in since january this year and others havent logged in since may now i pmed them trying to "improve my relationship" with them but since they ignored me im not sure how im supposed to "improve relationship with the users" and then when i report it it gets declined and i get no reason? right this makes no sense

 

[MTG]

Hasn't even been a month, that isnt that long at all. I say only 2 of those reps are valid for you to complain about. The thing is, it still shows your state of a person. If I scammed someone and somehow got out scott free from a scam report, I shouldn't be able to be like "Oh, it's been a month, get rid of this person saying I scammed plz so I can have more business". Let your 77 positive rep show that you are still a highly credible and trustworthy user.

Have you read the rep? It's not for scamming or anything If I negative repped you right now for being toxic and annoying to me it wouldnt be removed if you reported and it will be declined for "Improve your relationship with the user" but then I go inactive for a whole fucking month [or 4 month facepalm] how are you supposed to improve your relationship with me if i ignore you???


FujiPvP hasnt been on since January 20th
Huaraches hasn't been on since May the 10th
Zenthous hasn't been one since may the 4th

Also I would prefer having 0 negative rep than have 3 negative rep.

 

[Justis]

Have you read the rep? It's not for scamming or anything If I negative repped you right now for being toxic and annoying to me it wouldnt be removed if you reported and it will be declined for "Improve your relationship with the user" but then I go inactive for a whole fucking month [or 4 month facepalm] how are you supposed to improve your relationship with me if i ignore you???


FujiPvP hasnt been on since January 20th
Huaraches hasn't been on since May the 10th
Zenthous hasn't been one since may the 4th

Also I would prefer having 0 negative rep than have 3 negative rep.

If you scammed, you'd be banned.
That's what staff are here for, not reputation.
Reputation is for when you're an ass to people and they wouldn't suggest interacting with you.
For instance, if you gave me a negative reputation for being toxic and annoying after offering a thoughtful counter-argument, I might advise that others not interact with you unless they were prepared for someone very defensive, agressive, and lacking in the patience and understanding necessary to have a serious conversation.

 

[borog]

Well, instead of reputation being changed strictly to deal-based only, why not add an only marketplace system such as vouches that appear on the postbit only in the marketplace sector + profile?

 

[MTG]

If you scammed, you'd be banned.
That's what staff are here for, not reputation.

Okay? and I was talking to him because he said "If I scammed someone and somehow got out scott free from a scam report, I shouldn't be able to be like "Oh, it's been a month, get rid of this person saying I scammed plz so I can have more business". "

Reputation is for when you're an ass to people and they wouldn't suggest interacting with you.

Reputation SHOULD be for deals and ONLY deal, no cry babes should be allowed in business really.

I never stated in my reply that those reps were from scamming. The scamming I was referring to was merely an example. I am sorry if I somehow managed to come across as "toxic and annoying" and would like to counter saying your reply feels of the same connotation.

You said this "f I scammed someone and somehow got out scott free from a scam report, I shouldn't be able to be like "Oh, it's been a month, get rid of this person saying I scammed plz so I can have more business". "

Referring to me complaining about them being inactive so lol.

 

[Flipora]

i used to like rep but staff are being a lot more picky about reporting it and now if any old shmoe leaves a neg rep on you even if it is revenge rep i can't figure out how to go to the process to get it removed. I have been talking with staff for over a month now trying to get this one rep removed. Since the member i am working with is not very active, it is hard to get things moving and I think the reputaion system is fine, staff just need to manage it better

 

[MTG]

I have reread this numerous times and have no idea what point you are trying to make with that reply?

you said that you never stated those rep was for scamming and i answered you? n