Don't moderate stuff that has nothing to do with MCM (i.e discord servers)

[Sky.]

Wild suggestion, I know but here's the idea:
I know this will get denied, but take my one cents and eat it.

Don't moderate stuff that has nothing to do with MCM (i.e discord servers)

I'm going to take an example here, let's just talk about Mantis's ban. He was basically banned for: I'm going to joke about hitting a scammers router so hard that it'd be set on fire.
At the time, many people had just gotten scammed by the guy so of course people will say shit like that - but they will never act upon it.

That's not the point I'm trying to get at though, MCM shouldn't be able to moderate Discord Servers and ban people for what they say unless their words have been acted upon.

So you can say what Mantis said, without being banned. So you can actually make jokes without being punished.

Making a joke, and making a threat is very different and in more recent days, MCM's staff have struggled to see this.

By no means, am I trying to appeal Mantis's ban I just want this not to happen to more people.

Here's the rule I'm proposing:

`MCM is not allowed to moderate and or ban people via what they said on different platforms. They are only allowed to ban someone if it has been acted upon. I.e doxxing someone.`

An exception to this is threatening to scam, as that can be repeated again and again. So please bear that in mind.

I understand if something is said in the Chatbox, or on MCM PM's, but MCM is in no authority to ban someone over what they said on another platform.

I bet all my money that MCM won't listen - but if Mick wants to claim in on that bet be my guest.

Thank you

p.s i don't want to be attacked in the comments for this, please just leave your opinions without names, keeps everything a bit more civil

 

[inferno]

I'd love to argue all day people but I don't have that time nor am I interested in spending my time like that.

Here's what I've gathered so far:

People think that people should be banned if they say anything threat related. To that I offer a compromise.

Don't ban users, suspend them. Threats which aren't acted on are better than threats which are acted upon.

Blaze inferno what'd ya think?

Still disagree, what will suspending do to them... they'll get unsuspended and right back to it. This whole thread you've brought on was to defend one specific user not caring about the safety or regards of the others users, you've made it very apparent so far and I suggest getting this closed.[DOUBLEPOST=1608078227][/DOUBLEPOST]

If it isn't on mcm, it isn't mcm's problem, if anything this is an extreme overstretch of the moderation team at mcm, half of them take bribes anyway so it's not like this site itself doesn't have it's own issues. I could message inferno right now and tell him that I could hit him offline and that having nothing to do with mcm, without me coming to this post, and you mean to tell me just because I did something on my own time that means I get punished by a third party?

Lol, you need to grow up, all of you. You need to know your boundaries, and when to say "sorry thats not my problem" because it isn't...

If somebody has malicious intents all over, would you not agree removing them from a community they'll cause more harm on would be a safe option?

 

[Sky.]

If it isn't on mcm, it isn't mcm's problem, if anything this is an extreme overstretch of the moderation team at mcm, half of them take bribes anyway so it's not like this site itself doesn't have it's own issues. I could message inferno right now and tell him that I could hit him offline and that having nothing to do with mcm, without me coming to this post, and you mean to tell me just because I did something on my own time that means I get punished by a third party?

Lol, you need to grow up, all of you. You need to know your boundaries, and when to say "sorry thats not my problem" because it isn't...

Yeh, I get what you mean - but if we even what something like this to happen we probably would need to make a compromise. MCM won't back down on their shit, and we all know if.

If somebody has malicious intents all over, would you not agree removing them from a community they'll cause more harm on would be a safe option?

Wouldn't malicious intent mean you act upon it, which warrants a ban. But as Frank said MCM needs to know there place.

 

[Blaze.]

If it isn't on mcm, it isn't mcm's problem, if anything this is an extreme overstretch of the moderation team at mcm, half of them take bribes anyway so it's not like this site itself doesn't have it's own issues. I could message inferno right now and tell him that I could hit him offline and that having nothing to do with mcm, without me coming to this post, and you mean to tell me just because I did something on my own time that means I get punished by a third party?

Lol, you need to grow up, all of you. You need to know your boundaries, and when to say "sorry thats not my problem" because it isn't...

That logic is really flawed lol. A scam is still a scam, and a scammer is still a scammer.

You're saying that if someone scams on discord, MCM should just not ban that scammer and let them scam? That's ridiculous lol.
MCM has a responsibility to protect their community, and if you just let a scammer stay unbanned on-site despite scamming multiple people, then you're letting your community down.

I'd love to argue all day people but I don't have that time nor am I interested in spending my time like that.

Here's what I've gathered so far:

People think that people should be banned if they say anything threat related. To that I offer a compromise.

Don't ban users, suspend them. Threats which aren't acted on are better than threats which are acted upon.

Personally, I don't want any action made, but I already know a compromise will have to be made.

Blaze inferno what'd ya think?

I partially agree, but not really. Certain threats and situations still should be bannable, but what are the guidelines that determine whether or not someone could be banned for a certain threat? It would be really, really hard to determine that, and at the end of the day, this suggestion will most likely still be denied.

 

[Sky.]

I partially agree, but not really. Certain threats and situations still should be bannable, but what are the guidelines that determine whether or not someone could be banned for a certain threat? It would be really, really hard to determine that, and at the end of the day, this suggestion will most likely still be denied.

Hard, but the boundaries should be made.

 

[Blaze.]

Not at all, you're taking what I'm saying and making it into your own misconstrued conception, I specifically said that if I were to message inferno on discord and said that I would hit him offline, that doesn't mean mcm has to be a third-party and ban me because of something I did on my own time.

There's nothing wrong with banning known scammers, but if I'm being honest, even this is a stretch. The keyword is KNOWN scammers, not speculation.

I'm not twisting what you're saying lol. Your first sentence literally said on that post:

If it isn't on mcm, it isn't mcm's problem, if anything this is an extreme overstretch of the moderation team at mcm, half of them take bribes anyway so it's not like this site itself doesn't have it's own issues.

and then gave an example. I don't understand how you could seriously say that if something happens off-site that it shouldn't be taking seriously, that is absolutely ridiculous lol.

Someone doesn't have to be a known scammer to be banned, this is the reason the scam report section exists - for scammers of ALL TYPES to be banned, and for compromises to be made so not all potential scammers are banned.

 

[Sky.]

Not at all, you're taking what I'm saying and making it into your own misconstrued conception, I specifically said that if I were to message inferno on discord and said that I would hit him offline, that doesn't mean mcm has to be a third-party and ban me because of something I did on my own time.

There's nothing wrong with banning known scammers, but if I'm being honest, even this is a stretch. The keyword is KNOWN scammers, not speculation.

To add on to this, you should take someone rep within the community into account when banning someone for a threat. It's extremely unlikely that someone like Mantis for example would've said something and acted on it. I could name more, but I don't have the time nor do I want to mention more names.

 

[Blaze.]

To add on to this, you should take someone rep within the community into account when banning someone for a threat. It's extremely unlikely that someone like Mantis for example would've said something and acted on it. I could name more, but I don't have the time nor do I want to mention more names.

Again, no. Rep is a number with words behind it, it means nothing. Just because you have rep doesn't mean you still can't do a certain action like scamming, ddosing, or more.

 

[Sky.]

Again, no. Rep is a number with words behind it, it means nothing. Just because you have rep doesn't mean you still can't do a certain action like scamming, ddosing, or more.

Not as in reputation, reputation within the community and previous warnings they may have gotten.

 

[Blaze.]

Not as in reputation, reputation within the community and previous warnings they may have gotten.

Reputation in the community doesn't matter either lol. It, again, means nothing in terms of threats and stuff. People could be really really reputable, like Doggy Fanpage was, and then exit or do something the next day. There are tons of examples of this, of people who were extremely reputable who everyone thought would never scam, dox, etc., and then end up doing exactly that.

 

[Blaze.]

didnt know mcm could dictate what i do in my personal life

????

 

[Blaze.]

Yea, because if it isn't on mcm, it isn't mcm's problem. Clearly we're not going to see eye to eye about this, so it might not be worth responding to anymore, but what I'll say is; mcm is not my job, mcm is not my mother, mcm is not my father, and mcm is not my significant other; mcm does not dictate what I do in my personal life and mcm shouldn't be involved in situations that has nothing to do with them.

I'll stop responding after this, but again, MCM has the responsibility to protect their community from scammers and rule-breakers lol.

It doesn't matter who is the scammer is, where the scam took place, who was involved, or how much the scam was, a scam is still a scam.

A scam is still a scam, and it's still against the rules.

The same thing can literally be said by people who are threatening others. Scammers and rule-breakers like this can't be ignored because it happened on discord lol, that's idiotic.