Hey,
Some of you may know who I am, you may have seen me on this forum before making sarcastic comments towards people or shaking my walking stick, complaining about things from the sideline.
This whole post is my feelings towards the subject, you are not obliged to agree with anything I say and as per usual everything is open to discussion, if this posts offends you, you might be the type of programmer I am talking about.
First of all I would like to say that I have no issue with Forks, forking is a way for programmers to improve or alter existing code to their liking, forking something and making it high quality is perfectly fine in my book.
The HCF community however has taken skidding to a whole new level.
HCF cores can be fairly complex to make and take a long time to do well, how do I know this? Well since 2015 I have made several cores, some of which have driven up to $2,000+ in total.
My issue is that I never see an original HCF core for sale apart from maybe one or two occasions, the rest are all a conjunction of stolen code and forks made by low end developers that want to make a quick buck.
I have no issue with people experimenting with modifying or implementing code if they are just learning or doing it for personal use, however trying to sell it is another issue.
I have seen one high quality iHCF fork, and that was made by Eric, I've read through the code and can vouch that he knows what he's doing.
The others however I cannot really vouch for, and that's the exact issue.
No one has a fucking clue whether or not the HCF core they're buying is owned or even made by the person that's selling it, or if the quality of it is any good because everyone and their Grandma is stealing, recycling and selling code.
Just today I've seen a thread and an overview of it is.
A person got permission to modify iHCF (perfectly fine) > This person modified iHCF then released it (Meh as long as it was ok) > Someone then makes a fork of that iHCF Fork and then sells it on, but having to give 50% of profits to the person that didn't even initially develop iHCF in the first place.
Isn't that mental? I'm not even faithful from the initial fork being reliable, yet alone a fork within a fork, being re sold at just less than $100.
To a lot of people this just seems like a meaningless rant, but as someone that spends nearly every day programming and doing my best to make the highest quality product, it annoys me that people are essentially stealing code that's already been stolen, then making money off it, not only that but they screw over the people trying to make a HCF server in the first place, as the core is the one plugin that will literally make or break your server.
Essentially could all you programmers need to get your asses in gear and do the following?
- If you are going to make a iHCF (or any) fork, make sure that you are using proper convention, and actually modify it in a way that is meaningful and productive.
- Not to skid code. Like ever. Learning off other's is fine, but copying and pasting mindlessly will teach you nothing and just inhibits you ability to progress further and make more advanced things.
- Overprice your low quality forks.
Or how abouts this?
Make your own core from scratch.
I know it's a pain, it takes a while, but if you're good enough to create a quality HCF core from scratch then you're worthy of the profit you will get off it.
If you are not capable of making a good quality one from scratch then please do not recycle garbage code, you shall just contribute to the dilution of quality HCF cores.
Rant over.
Just been on my mind for a while.
EDIT: Just looked through matthewp's core in the works, can vouch for the quality of code 100%, follow him and watch until it's released. Plus it's 100% custom. (Apparently).
Some of you may know who I am, you may have seen me on this forum before making sarcastic comments towards people or shaking my walking stick, complaining about things from the sideline.
This whole post is my feelings towards the subject, you are not obliged to agree with anything I say and as per usual everything is open to discussion, if this posts offends you, you might be the type of programmer I am talking about.
First of all I would like to say that I have no issue with Forks, forking is a way for programmers to improve or alter existing code to their liking, forking something and making it high quality is perfectly fine in my book.
The HCF community however has taken skidding to a whole new level.
HCF cores can be fairly complex to make and take a long time to do well, how do I know this? Well since 2015 I have made several cores, some of which have driven up to $2,000+ in total.
My issue is that I never see an original HCF core for sale apart from maybe one or two occasions, the rest are all a conjunction of stolen code and forks made by low end developers that want to make a quick buck.
I have no issue with people experimenting with modifying or implementing code if they are just learning or doing it for personal use, however trying to sell it is another issue.
I have seen one high quality iHCF fork, and that was made by Eric, I've read through the code and can vouch that he knows what he's doing.
The others however I cannot really vouch for, and that's the exact issue.
No one has a fucking clue whether or not the HCF core they're buying is owned or even made by the person that's selling it, or if the quality of it is any good because everyone and their Grandma is stealing, recycling and selling code.
Just today I've seen a thread and an overview of it is.
A person got permission to modify iHCF (perfectly fine) > This person modified iHCF then released it (Meh as long as it was ok) > Someone then makes a fork of that iHCF Fork and then sells it on, but having to give 50% of profits to the person that didn't even initially develop iHCF in the first place.
Isn't that mental? I'm not even faithful from the initial fork being reliable, yet alone a fork within a fork, being re sold at just less than $100.
To a lot of people this just seems like a meaningless rant, but as someone that spends nearly every day programming and doing my best to make the highest quality product, it annoys me that people are essentially stealing code that's already been stolen, then making money off it, not only that but they screw over the people trying to make a HCF server in the first place, as the core is the one plugin that will literally make or break your server.
Essentially could all you programmers need to get your asses in gear and do the following?
- If you are going to make a iHCF (or any) fork, make sure that you are using proper convention, and actually modify it in a way that is meaningful and productive.
- Not to skid code. Like ever. Learning off other's is fine, but copying and pasting mindlessly will teach you nothing and just inhibits you ability to progress further and make more advanced things.
- Overprice your low quality forks.
Or how abouts this?
Make your own core from scratch.
I know it's a pain, it takes a while, but if you're good enough to create a quality HCF core from scratch then you're worthy of the profit you will get off it.
If you are not capable of making a good quality one from scratch then please do not recycle garbage code, you shall just contribute to the dilution of quality HCF cores.
Rant over.
Just been on my mind for a while.
EDIT: Just looked through matthewp's core in the works, can vouch for the quality of code 100%, follow him and watch until it's released. Plus it's 100% custom. (Apparently).
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Banned forever. Reason: Scamming (https://builtbybit.com/threads/mat-scam-report.348573/)
