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[Style]

I've always noticed his ratings going up at frequent times but never went to see how they were being obtained. However though, I actually don't find this surprising due to the fact that he was pissed when funny ratings became neutral where he lost over 1k ratings (look at his status) and the fact that he made a suggestion thread to protest against reverting the funny ratings as positive again. Props to nara~kavi and montyburly for investigating and finding the alts :tup:. Our staff should do something immediately about this as Skill has already done lots of damage on this forum already and nothing has been done other than a couple of temp bans...

Also, one more note: Ratings aren't fucking rep ffs!

 

[Tyler]

Also, one more note: Ratings aren't fucking rep ffs!

Finally someone understands

 

[Nagi]

I'm sorry that it has come down to do this but I feel like I need to step in onto this thread. Skill's a pretty good acquaintance of mine, always teasing me for my sniper and all. He's always been a nice guy to me and I have absolutely no idea why half the community hates him. It is extremely unfair and unethical to be flaming someone that's banned when you guys know darn well that he'll be back again. It's also unpleasing how I'm about to spend the next 10 minutes on Christmas writing about something on a forums that meet know regulations what so ever. I don't understand what the motives are for this thread nor what the OP is trying to achieve but he chose the best darn day to do it; it demonstrates the entire nature of the community and shows who really has developed a passion over the internet. This entire thread is beyond toxic and demonstrates savagery to the core. Let's start by clearing up some issues here and there.

Statement 1: Skill made a payout to Mick to be Unbanned (Corruption?)

This is one of the most common and misleading facts that people spew out about him. This little statement was a literal Pick&Guess generated between two simple facts: Skill got unbanned early - Mick likes money. Throughout the past 3 months since this idea was generated, not a single staff had verified the situation, none-the-less a user themselves. Furthermore, evidence has also shown that his last two bans (that lasted a week each) were both for their full duration. If this theory is so called true, why has Mick not responded with an offer? Why was his account not released early? The bottom line is, one can generate any possible theory about why Skill was unbanned early. This community just chose to stick with the one that had the best reasonable chemistry and a good way to continue raging on. If you so called "second" this opinion, by all means, feel free to show some proof of such transactions taking place. This statement is exactly like saying how a Muslim walks out of a cafe and it explodes seconds later. People will automatically beat the living daylight out of the person without any evidence.

I realize that Mick may be sensitive with money but he has shown to me that he is able to make a wise decision under given circumstances. After all, who do you think is the reason that UltimatelyElite is gone? It is a offensive statement when telling someone that they live based on a price and I can solely defend that statement myself; I have not agreed to release my sniper to a single cooperation based over money (I've been offered $1000 USD before).

If any of you guys go under the idea that "Skill payed me to make this post"... I don't know. You must be pretty stupid if you do and I will feel terribly sorry for any conditions that you suffer. Let's post some proof before this does show up anyways:

You guys should also reconsider your definition of 'corrupt'. I've dealt with plenty of other forums where any signs of shaming the staff team were deleted with the user responsible banned instantly. This doesn't compare to a quarter of what I had to deal with before.

Statement 2: Skill rate boosted himself back to 5000 ratings

Once again, this is one of those statements that go on without any evidence. Ironically, I just so happen to have evidence on this one (against Joemotion at least).

On December 4th, 2015, Joemotion approached me wanting to buy the account Joust.

The screenshot above show me, today, on December 25th, 2015, at 8:09PM messaging and talking with both the so called 'Joe' as well as Skill at the same time. Is any person insane enough to have two Skype dialog sessions opened at the same time as well as type on both of them simultaneously? If these two are so called 'the same guy', why hasn't the account Joust appeared within Skill's OG Shop? I definitely sold it as a good name with a very low price.

What were Joe's intentions? Who knows. I'm not Joe. I cannot think for him and neither can you. Stop basing your stupid theories solely on assumptions as that is extremely irritating when they happen to be wrong. For all you need to know, he could've done it solely based on killing boredom. His account might have also been compromised and another member could've done it in his place. And there you have, two ideas that I generated off the top of my head in mere seconds that you guys can throw a debate about later.

The general fact that goes around this argument is between "Skill has a lot of money" as well as "Rate boosting takes a lot of work". I cannot condone how much 'work' is put into Rate Boosting but I can also assure you that you cannot testify it's difficulty either unless you've tried it yourself. The mere fact that I believe I am able to write a script in TO RATE BOOST SOMEONE in about 30 minutes suggests that it is in no way hard at all (I'm not going to, I'm not evil). In other news, just because people have a decent amount of payouts when they're 16 years old does not suggest that they do not know how to spend their money; I was an outstanding entrepreneur at that age, spending my money on upgrading computer software and such, but never imagined spending it on "rate boosting". I'm sorry to be harsh but that way I see people that support this argument makes me wonder if they're parroting the words of another or they truly believe that teenagers are unable to wisely maintain their balance and that their money is only to be spent on prostitutes.

Statement 3: Skill has already been banned multiple times before! Look at the amount alts that he has?

All the evidence about him and his alts posted on this thread dates to February this year at latest. Keep in mind that this was prior to the Ownership Transfer towards Mick. The members on this forum who were following at that time should also know darn well that Verringer had forgiven Skill based on his actions. At this point in time, people are just bringing up issues that had already been solved. And like all other points made on this thread, it is a senseless remark based on hate. It is generalizing around the statement with similar traits such that "Germany killed Jews during the Second World War. They will do it again sooner." Do you believe that people don't learn their lesson over time? And yet, another example that this community seems to support, "Verringer forgave Skill because he is a money whore and Skill paid him." Doesn't that sound awfully stupid at this point?

Go ahead and take a look at http://www.mc-market.org/threads/35593/
Stop referring back to predated history and get on with it.

In the meantime, you should consider the things that Skill has done TO get banned. I can safely say that the amount of "Low Quality Posts" that he makes isn't even enough to amount to the amount of LQP that UltimatelyElite makes on these forums.

Why're people more sensitive about Skill? Because he's more widely know around the forums and people want him and his ratings gone? And let's be honest here, UltimatelyElite had action taken upon him after he decided post (you know what) in the chatbox. If he hadn't done that, I can guarantee you that his actions will still go unpunished. The amount of biased treatment given and pasted onto this thread is completely unfair and definitely should be reconsidered.

Statement 4: People who defend Skill have something to gain.

What do you think I have to gain from this? Fame? Pride? Or something more 'precious' such as a Name Snipe? As you all know, I have my own sniper and don't need another's handouts. The acknowledge the fact that he is able to beat me fair and square like the prideful person that I am. If you believe that I hold any such incentive against him, please, by all means, go ahead and share.

A better question that you should ask yourself is why you hate him so much. I've been scammed multiple times on multiple forums before. Regardless of the reason you provide me, I can second that with own personal experience. In the end, you'll come to the conclusion that hating someone for something that they did a long time ago is stupid, constraints unneeded efforts, as well as show that you aren't adaptive towards having a stable relationship. Honestly, just get on with it. I doubt anyone here is in kindergarten.

Did you guys also notice that I didn't quote anyone in particular? I'm not pointing fingers; I'm not a selfish rude brat. In the end, I'm just hoping that this thread can settle peacefully.

 

[Proclaimed]

Oh yea lol I think it's just that new steam guard feature.
I think Proclaimed was a beta tester for that.

Is no pls no bully me lmao I learned my lesson from that shit, I'm the only guy that got to use the Savage Sniper! 10/10 would recommend

 

[Nagi]

To long didnt read and I doubt anyone else will. I suggest you shorten out when you say whose side you are on

People seem to have a lot of spare time on a festive holiday. They'll take the time to read that whether's it's out of hate or curiosity. If you can't take the time to read that to try to second my opinions, it easily shows that a hater's gotta hate.

 

[Paradise]

To long didnt read and I doubt anyone else will. I suggest you shorten out when you say whose side you are on

He's on Batman's side. How much did he pay you? jk jk. Good work though, but it seems the community will stick to their opinion

 

[montyburly]

I'm sorry that it has come down to do this but I feel like I need to step in onto this thread. Skill's a pretty good acquaintance of mine, always teasing me for my sniper and all. He's always been a nice guy to me and I have absolutely no idea why half the community hates him. It is extremely unfair and unethical to be flaming someone that's banned when you guys know darn well that he'll be back again. It's also unpleasing how I'm about to spend the next 10 minutes on Christmas writing about something on a forums that meet know regulations what so ever. I don't understand what the motives are for this thread nor what the OP is trying to achieve but he chose the best darn day to do it; it demonstrates the entire nature of the community and shows who really has developed a passion over the internet. This entire thread is beyond toxic and demonstrates savagery to the core. Let's start by clearing up some issues here and there.

Statement 1: Skill made a payout to Mick to be Unbanned

This is one of the most common and misleading facts that people spew out about him. This little statement was a literal Pick&Guess generated between two simple facts: Skill got unbanned early - Mick likes money. Throughout the past 3 months since this idea was generated, not a single staff had verified the situation, none-the-less a user themselves. Furthermore, evidence has also shown that his last two bans (that lasted a week each) were both for their full duration. If this theory is so called true, why has Mick not responded with an offer? Why was his account not released early? The bottom line is, one can generate any possible theory about why Skill was unbanned early. This community just chose to stick with the one that had the best reasonable chemistry and a good way to continue raging on. If you so called "second" this opinion, by all means, feel free to show some proof of such transactions taking place. This statement is exactly like saying how a Muslim walks out of a cafe and it explodes seconds later. People will automatically beat the living daylight out of the person without any evidence.

I realize that Mick may be sensitive with money but he has shown to me that he is able to make a wise decision under given circumstances. After all, who do you think is the reason that UltimatelyElite is gone? It is a offensive statement when telling someone that they live based on a price and I can solely defend that statement myself; I have not agreed to release my sniper to a single cooperation based over money (I've been offered $1000 USD before).

If any of you guys go under the idea that "Skill payed me to make this post"... I don't know. You must be pretty stupid if you do and I will feel terribly sorry for any conditions that you suffer. Let's post some proof before this does show up anyways:

Statement 2: Skill rate boosted himself back to 5000 ratings

Once again, this is one of those statements that go on without any evidence. Ironically, I just so happen to have evidence on this one (against Joemotion at least).

On December 4th, 2015, Joemotion approached me wanting to buy the account Joust.

The screenshot above show me, today, on December 25th, 2015, at 8:09PM messaging and talking with both the so called 'Joe' as well as Skill at the same time. Is any person insane enough to have two Skype dialog sessions opened at the same time as well as type on both of them simultaneously? If these two are so called 'the same guy', why hasn't the account Joust appeared within Skill's OG Shop? I definitely sold it as a good name with a very low price.

What were Joe's intentions? Who knows. I'm not Joe. I cannot think for him and neither can you. Stop basing your stupid theories solely on assumptions as that is extremely irritating when they happen to be wrong. For all you need to know, he could've done it solely based on killing boredom. His account might have also been compromised and another member could've done it in his place. And there you have, two ideas that I generated off the top of my head in mere seconds that you guys can throw a debate about later.

The general fact that goes around this argument is between "Skill has a lot of money" as well as "Rate boosting takes a lot of work". I cannot condone how much 'work' is put into Rate Boosting but I can also assure you that you cannot testify it's difficulty either unless you've tried it yourself. The mere fact that I believe I am able to write a script in TO RATE BOOST SOMEONE in about 30 minutes suggests that it is in no way hard at all (I'm not going to, I'm not evil). In other news, just because people have a decent amount of payouts when they're 16 years old does not suggest that they do not know how to spend their money; I was an outstanding entrepreneur at that age, spending my money on upgrading computer software and such, but never imagined spending it on "rate boosting". I'm sorry to be harsh but that way I see people that support this argument makes me wonder if they're parroting the words of another or they truly believe that teenagers are unable to wisely maintain their balance and that their money is only to be spent on prostitutes.

Statement 3: Skill has already been banned multiple times before! Look at the amount alts that he has?

All the evidence about him and his alts posted on this thread dates to February this year at latest. Keep in mind that this was prior to the Ownership Transfer towards Mick. The members on this forum who were following at that time should also know darn well that Verringer had forgiven Skill based on his actions. At this point in time, people are just bringing up issues that had already been solved. And like all other points made on this thread, it is a senseless remark based on hate. It is generalizing around the statement with similar traits such that "Germany killed Jews during the Second World War. They will do it again sooner." Do you believe that people don't learn their lesson over time? And yet, another example that this community seems to support, "Verringer forgave Skill because he is a money whore and Skill paid him." Doesn't that sound awfully stupid at this point?

Go ahead and take a look at http://www.mc-market.org/threads/35593/
Stop referring back to predated history and get on with it.

In the meantime, you should consider the things that Skill has done TO get banned. I can safely say that the amount of "Low Quality Posts" that he makes isn't even enough to amount to the amount of LQP that UltimatelyElite makes on these forums.

Why're people more sensitive about Skill? Because he's more widely know around the forums and people want him and his ratings gone? And let's be honest here, UltimatelyElite had action taken upon him after he decided post (you know what) in the chatbox. If he hadn't done that, I can guarantee you that his actions will still go unpunished. The amount of biased treatment given and pasted onto this thread is completely unfair and definitely should be reconsidered.

Statement 4: People who defend Skill have something to gain.

What do you think I have to gain from this? Fame? Pride? Or something more 'precious' such as a Name Snipe? As you all know, I have my own sniper and don't need another's handouts. The acknowledge the fact that he is able to beat me fair and square like the prideful person that I am. If you believe that I hold any such incentive against him, please, by all means, go ahead and share.

A better question that you should ask yourself is why you hate him so much. I've been scammed multiple times on multiple forums before. Regardless of the reason you provide me, I can second that with own personal experience. In the end, you'll come to the conclusion that hating someone for something that they did a long time ago is stupid, constraints unneeded efforts, as well as show that you aren't adaptive towards having a stable relationship. Honestly, just get on with it. I doubt anyone here is in kindergarten.

Did you guys also notice that I didn't quote anyone in particular? I'm not pointing fingers; I'm not a selfish rude brat. In the end, I'm just hoping that this thread can settle peacefully.

Okay, let's just say Skill doesn't rate boost, pay out Mick, or use alts. He still scammed multiple users. That alone, ignoring all other evidence of rule breaking, deserves a permanent ban. If he gets another chance, every scammer on the site should. That would not go down well. He's still screwing people over and weaseling out of deals today. The final straw for me was when he screwed Struggle out of his snipe. I'm not saying he should be banned because he's rude, abusive, and shady (and he is all of those things), I'm saying he should be banned because he's a notorious rule breaker. There's nothing you can say to defend him at this point. He's a scammer, he needs to be banned.

 

[thebaum64]

Okay, let's just say Skill doesn't rate boost, pay out Mick, or use alts. He still scammed multiple users. That alone, ignoring all other evidence of rule breaking, deserves a permanent ban. If he gets another chance, every scammer on the site should. That would not go down well. He's still screwing people over and weaseling out of deals today. The final straw for me was when he screwed Struggle out of his snipe. I'm not saying he should be banned because he's rude, abusive, and shady (and he is all of those things), I'm saying he should be banned because he's a notorious rule breaker. There's nothing you can say to defend him at this point. He's a scammer, he needs to be banned.

Just wanna say, we IP checked those "alts" that rate boosted him, or at least I did, and they did not match his IP. Just wanted to say that.

 

[Paradise]

One thing I did get out of it is the broke like :c
rip

it says 25/12/15 - 25/12/15...[DOUBLEPOST=1451095152,1451095112][/DOUBLEPOST]

Just wanna say, we IP checked those "alts" that rate boosted him, or at least I did, and they did not match his IP. Just wanted to say that.

VPN? Maybe he got his friends too/ but even if he didnt, he still scammed alot of users..

 

[Deep]

How old are you Jeff? I know you are very young because I have seen you in Clip's Plugin Help chat. You clearly are being biased. Skill thinks he is better then everyone else, you should see the MC Sales Chat (which you are in, just reply with "lol"). Look at the evidence towards Skill, and please, stop sucking up. I agree on this thread that Skill has been getting more lenience with what he is doing, I wouldn't be surprised if an alt of his came right now and starts trashing the thread. Please Mick tjrgg Anthony R do something about this or comment on what you feel, don't just ignore us and glance through the thread.

I'm 16, and I don't know what happens in those chats because today was the only day I talked in the mc sales chat.

 

[Nagi]

Okay, let's just say Skill doesn't rate boost, pay out Mick, or use alts. He still scammed multiple users. That alone, ignoring all other evidence of rule breaking, deserves a permanent ban. If he gets another chance, every scammer on the site should. That would not go down well. He's still screwing people over and weaseling out of deals today. The final straw for me was when he screwed Struggle out of his snipe. I'm not saying he should be banned because he's rude, abusive, and shady (and he is all of those things), I'm saying he should be banned because he's a notorious rule breaker. There's nothing you can say to defend him at this point. He's a scammer, he needs to be banned.

I'm sorry but your reference to "scamming Struggle" has a back story that, which I believe, about 3 members on this site are able to support indefinitely (with logic). It was not a scam in any way. But of course you might be thinking, "This person's assurance means jack to me." We can settle this all through a scam report where everybody do some revealing themselves. In other news, I wasn't able to find a single successful scam report on any of the alts that you've listed as well as his main. Could you please give me a demonstration of such?

 

[montyburly]

Just wanna say, we IP checked those "alts" that rate boosted him, or at least I did, and they did not match his IP. Just wanted to say that.

I'm sure he was smart enough to use a VPN for it[DOUBLEPOST=1451095453,1451095351][/DOUBLEPOST]

I'm sorry but your reference to "scamming Struggle" has a back story that, which I believe, about 3 members on this site are able to support indefinitely (with logic). It was not a scam in any way. But of course you might be thinking, "This person's assurance means jack to me." We can settle this all through a scam report where everybody do some revealing themselves. In other news, I wasn't able to find a single successful scam report on any of the alts that you've listed as well as his main. Could you please give me a demonstration of such?

They were deleted. I am on my phone right now so I can't link the threads about him scamming, but there are tons of people who can vouch that he was a scammer. He even admitted it himself.

 

[Nagi]

I'm sure he was smart enough to use a VPN for it[DOUBLEPOST=1451095453,1451095351][/DOUBLEPOST]
They were deleted. I am on my phone right now so I can't link the threads about him scamming, but there are tons of people who can vouch that he was a scammer. He even admitted it himself.

You're more than welcomed to tag a couple of people that are able to support this statement.
I would very much like to debate against it seeing how this thread is turning out.
You should continue this thread after you're on a computer. I'm not attracted nor a big fan slow arguments.

 

[TellingMom]

I'm sorry that it has come down to do this but I feel like I need to step in onto this thread. Skill's a pretty good acquaintance of mine, always teasing me for my sniper and all. He's always been a nice guy to me and I have absolutely no idea why half the community hates him. It is extremely unfair and unethical to be flaming someone that's banned when you guys know darn well that he'll be back again. It's also unpleasing how I'm about to spend the next 10 minutes on Christmas writing about something on a forums that meet know regulations what so ever. I don't understand what the motives are for this thread nor what the OP is trying to achieve but he chose the best darn day to do it; it demonstrates the entire nature of the community and shows who really has developed a passion over the internet. This entire thread is beyond toxic and demonstrates savagery to the core. Let's start by clearing up some issues here and there.

I stopped after your first paragraph, and here's why... You know who else was nice to their friends? Hitler. Being a nice person to people you like doesn't erase the bad things you do.