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[nara~kavi]

I actually find your comments to be extremely intriguing.

You switch topics to debate about the second I counter them as you're unable to defend them and you keep searching until you find one that I cannot defend, then tell me to leave. But then again, the thread got really hypocritical the second I joined; your topics began jumping everywhere into pits that didn't even matter. I can understand why you want me to leave: you're having a hard time dealing with my argument and just want Skill banned for annoying you in the past. I clearly know the majority of the stuff I'm talking about and properly address the stuff I'm not certain about, like the DDOS issue stated above. Don't tell me to leave; I can clearly see that you're desperate about the outcome of the situation. As long as you're spewing things that are off topic, my answer to your question will remain as a no. I've acted in a civilized manned throughout this entire conversation. If you believe to be able to second my opinions, you should have no issues rejecting them, yet it is clearly evident that it is not the case.

You should read the timestamp on that post. Last time I checked, Mick was the owner since September and it's now December.
You're bring up old topics that have already served their purpose to talk about.

You also brought up the term 'bribery' or 'persuasion' a bunch of times on this thread. While that is an interesting topic that will do some heavy damage to MC-Market if exposed, you seem to have no such evidence. You know why? Because it never happened before. Don't quote me on this, go ahead and quote Mick a couple posts above. Stop defending your points by spreading rumors. That's a terrible thing to do.

And from what Skill just told me, you've committed some of the exact same offenses that you're trying to use to get Skill banned.
Let's enlighten you on a few that I've just been informed of:

• You spam rated everybody when you first joined the forums. As a result you were banned with your ratings removed. You were given a second chance.
• To up to 4 times (no evidence available anymore), you were temp-banned by Verringer for trolling.
• You reached up to 40 warning points and recieved a hefty fine. A couple days later, you were unbanned. I assumed you were given a third chance.

So I've a couple of questions for you now:

• Are you an alt of whoever you post spammed?
• Does Mick get to ban you too? Rules apply to everybody equally after all...
• Doesn't this get stupid at this point?

Sure, you have shown me that Skill is Handicap. What does that relate to anything? Has he tried to scam as Handicap before? And how does he 'impersonate' himself while on the same account? Sounds a little illusive to me, don't you think?

Arguing about this is now moot since Skill is now permed (thankfully) but I will respond to your allegations against me.

-I "spam-rated" because I was new to this type of forum. I gave out a lot of ratings because I am generally a very friendly and happy person and I had no idea that it was super-frowned upon until a lot of members randomly started getting angry about it. I toned it down after that, but apparently still not enough. After that Monty & I both had our ratings taken away. We were never banned from the website over ratings, we simply were stopped from using them. We now have our ratings back and do not abuse them in any way shape or form. Staff have said on multiple occasions that there was no evidence of Monty & I boosting one another maliciously and the majority of our ratings were from other members.

-All of my bans were for "low quality posts". Every single one of them. I have never been banned for DDoSing a member, threatening other members, scamming other members, alting, or anything bad. I do not believe anyone should be permanently banned from this website over low-quality posts, and it is a false equivalence to compare Skill being banned for scamming/alting to me being banned for making a few joke posts and bumping threads.

-I was banned for three months due to a glitch in the system. The system says if you are banned by the automated system you should be banned for a week, then a month, and then three months. I was banned for three months and it skipped the month ban. In addition to this, I had several warnings on my profile that were from an abusive past staff member who was removed from his position. These warnings were removed, and thus my ban was lifted.

I will no longer be responding to this thread as now you are just making personal attacks rather than focusing on the debate at hand, and that's childish. Not to mention the debate is now over, as staff have vindicated our arguments by banning Skill. They would not have done this unless they knew for a fact that he had engaged in scamming in the past. Just because Skill says otherwise does not make it is true - he is clearly using you right now.

I would like to thank staff for their wise decision and I hope that we can all move forward from this knowing that we have a staff team who cares about the community.

 

[TellingMom]

Skill is now perm banned

We should make a thread now to petition him to be unbanned.

 

[poncethecat]

Well, maybe now that he's gone he'll stop sniping the really good accounts and let everybody have a fair competition over who gets accounts .

 

[Pyro]

Lol rip, never thought it would be a perma ban until now. I feel like the alts lurking..

 

[poncethecat]

Now let's talk about snipers, my favorite thing.


Just wondering, Why are you saying this when Skill was sniping valuable accounts for you like "clan"?



Let's not get ahead of ourselves, we still need to wait until KThisIsCvpv stops sniping. Then we can have a fair chance

Well, time to cross my fingers.

 

[poncethecat]

Don't worry he says he only has a few hundred accounts left

A few hundred, oh jeez.

 

[Shart]

Someone give plaincamron666 a medal...he sacrificed his account to avenge many ppl

 

[Blade]

But now that Skill is perm banned, does that mean that the people that paid him to snipe names for them are gonna get scammed because we can't open scam reports about him anymore?

Oh and I find this hilarious

 

[pieguy]

I'm sorry that it has come down to do this but I feel like I need to step in onto this thread. Skill's a pretty good acquaintance of mine, always teasing me for my sniper and all. He's always been a nice guy to me and I have absolutely no idea why half the community hates him. It is extremely unfair and unethical to be flaming someone that's banned when you guys know darn well that he'll be back again. It's also unpleasing how I'm about to spend the next 10 minutes on Christmas writing about something on a forums that meet know regulations what so ever. I don't understand what the motives are for this thread nor what the OP is trying to achieve but he chose the best darn day to do it; it demonstrates the entire nature of the community and shows who really has developed a passion over the internet. This entire thread is beyond toxic and demonstrates savagery to the core. Let's start by clearing up some issues here and there.

Statement 1: Skill made a payout to Mick to be Unbanned (Corruption?)

This is one of the most common and misleading facts that people spew out about him. This little statement was a literal Pick&Guess generated between two simple facts: Skill got unbanned early - Mick likes money. Throughout the past 3 months since this idea was generated, not a single staff had verified the situation, none-the-less a user themselves. Furthermore, evidence has also shown that his last two bans (that lasted a week each) were both for their full duration. If this theory is so called true, why has Mick not responded with an offer? Why was his account not released early? The bottom line is, one can generate any possible theory about why Skill was unbanned early. This community just chose to stick with the one that had the best reasonable chemistry and a good way to continue raging on. If you so called "second" this opinion, by all means, feel free to show some proof of such transactions taking place. This statement is exactly like saying how a Muslim walks out of a cafe and it explodes seconds later. People will automatically beat the living daylight out of the person without any evidence.

I realize that Mick may be sensitive with money but he has shown to me that he is able to make a wise decision under given circumstances. After all, who do you think is the reason that UltimatelyElite is gone? It is a offensive statement when telling someone that they live based on a price and I can solely defend that statement myself; I have not agreed to release my sniper to a single cooperation based over money (I've been offered $1000 USD before).

If any of you guys go under the idea that "Skill payed me to make this post"... I don't know. You must be pretty stupid if you do and I will feel terribly sorry for any conditions that you suffer. Let's post some proof before this does show up anyways:

You guys should also reconsider your definition of 'corrupt'. I've dealt with plenty of other forums where any signs of shaming the staff team were deleted with the user responsible banned instantly. This doesn't compare to a quarter of what I had to deal with before.

Statement 2: Skill rate boosted himself back to 5000 ratings

Once again, this is one of those statements that go on without any evidence. Ironically, I just so happen to have evidence on this one (against Joemotion at least).

On December 4th, 2015, Joemotion approached me wanting to buy the account Joust.

The screenshot above show me, today, on December 25th, 2015, at 8:09PM messaging and talking with both the so called 'Joe' as well as Skill at the same time. Is any person insane enough to have two Skype dialog sessions opened at the same time as well as type on both of them simultaneously? If these two are so called 'the same guy', why hasn't the account Joust appeared within Skill's OG Shop? I definitely sold it as a good name with a very low price.

What were Joe's intentions? Who knows. I'm not Joe. I cannot think for him and neither can you. Stop basing your stupid theories solely on assumptions as that is extremely irritating when they happen to be wrong. For all you need to know, he could've done it solely based on killing boredom. His account might have also been compromised and another member could've done it in his place. And there you have, two ideas that I generated off the top of my head in mere seconds that you guys can throw a debate about later.

The general fact that goes around this argument is between "Skill has a lot of money" as well as "Rate boosting takes a lot of work". I cannot condone how much 'work' is put into Rate Boosting but I can also assure you that you cannot testify it's difficulty either unless you've tried it yourself. The mere fact that I believe I am able to write a script in TO RATE BOOST SOMEONE in about 30 minutes suggests that it is in no way hard at all (I'm not going to, I'm not evil). In other news, just because people have a decent amount of payouts when they're 16 years old does not suggest that they do not know how to spend their money; I was an outstanding entrepreneur at that age, spending my money on upgrading computer software and such, but never imagined spending it on "rate boosting". I'm sorry to be harsh but that way I see people that support this argument makes me wonder if they're parroting the words of another or they truly believe that teenagers are unable to wisely maintain their balance and that their money is only to be spent on prostitutes.

Statement 3: Skill has already been banned multiple times before! Look at the amount alts that he has?

All the evidence about him and his alts posted on this thread dates to February this year at latest. Keep in mind that this was prior to the Ownership Transfer towards Mick. The members on this forum who were following at that time should also know darn well that Verringer had forgiven Skill based on his actions. At this point in time, people are just bringing up issues that had already been solved. And like all other points made on this thread, it is a senseless remark based on hate. It is generalizing around the statement with similar traits such that "Germany killed Jews during the Second World War. They will do it again sooner." Do you believe that people don't learn their lesson over time? And yet, another example that this community seems to support, "Verringer forgave Skill because he is a money whore and Skill paid him." Doesn't that sound awfully stupid at this point?

Go ahead and take a look at http://www.mc-market.org/threads/35593/
Stop referring back to predated history and get on with it.

In the meantime, you should consider the things that Skill has done TO get banned. I can safely say that the amount of "Low Quality Posts" that he makes isn't even enough to amount to the amount of LQP that UltimatelyElite makes on these forums.

Why're people more sensitive about Skill? Because he's more widely know around the forums and people want him and his ratings gone? And let's be honest here, UltimatelyElite had action taken upon him after he decided post (you know what) in the chatbox. If he hadn't done that, I can guarantee you that his actions will still go unpunished. The amount of biased treatment given and pasted onto this thread is completely unfair and definitely should be reconsidered.

Statement 4: People who defend Skill have something to gain.

What do you think I have to gain from this? Fame? Pride? Or something more 'precious' such as a Name Snipe? As you all know, I have my own sniper and don't need another's handouts. The acknowledge the fact that he is able to beat me fair and square like the prideful person that I am. If you believe that I hold any such incentive against him, please, by all means, go ahead and share.

A better question that you should ask yourself is why you hate him so much. I've been scammed multiple times on multiple forums before. Regardless of the reason you provide me, I can second that with own personal experience. In the end, you'll come to the conclusion that hating someone for something that they did a long time ago is stupid, constraints unneeded efforts, as well as show that you aren't adaptive towards having a stable relationship. Honestly, just get on with it. I doubt anyone here is in kindergarten.

Did you guys also notice that I didn't quote anyone in particular? I'm not pointing fingers; I'm not a selfish rude brat. In the end, I'm just hoping that this thread can settle peacefully.

Hey man, first off, I appreciate your detailed and tedious reply.

First off, I'll refute your contentions one by one. You claim to have no idea what I want to achieve, however I find this blatantly obvious, and if you can't see my logic in posting this community alert of some sort, then you must not be thinking very clearly. What I have to gain is to protect this community from 1. A known scammer and LQ member and 2. The corruption of the staff.
Second, I do have the time to spend 15 minutes typing up a thread, since if you didn't realize already, there are 24 hours during Christmas. I doubt anyone doesn't have 15 minutes to spare for Christmas, and I was just at a Christmas party (which is the reason why I didn't respond to this thread for what, 7 hours?)
You also claim that "If this theory is so called true, why has Mick not responded with an offer? Why was his account not released early?" We're not stupid. It would be obvious if he was unbanned early, the community would definitely realize something was up. Also, that's not even the right question to be asking. The real question is- why is he tempbanned at all instead of permabanned? (Yes, I know he is perm'ed now).
Lastly, if you call this "flaming", then you have literally no common sense. We are merely providing evidence against an LQ member that deserves to be banned four times over.

I, opposed to some, think that people can change. It's not too late for Blaze to change his erroneous ways. However that doesn't warrant an unban. He broke the rules, he deserves to suffer the consequences.

 

[nara~kavi]

But now that Skill is perm banned, does that mean that the people that paid him to snipe names for them are gonna get scammed because we can't open scam reports about him anymore?

Oh and I find this hilarious
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Yes, almost certainly.

I would just chargeback your payments.

 

[Paradise]

TellingMom damnit I got a bit of popcorn left and the drama is done...

 

[Nagi]

Hey man, first off, I appreciate your detailed and tedious reply.

First off, I'll refute your contentions one by one. You claim to have no idea what I want to achieve, however I find this blatantly obvious, and if you can't see my logic in posting this community alert of some sort, then you must not be thinking very clearly. What I have to gain is to protect this community from 1. A known scammer and LQ member and 2. The corruption of the staff.
Second, I do have the time to spend 15 minutes typing up a thread, since if you didn't realize already, there are 24 hours during Christmas. I doubt anyone doesn't have 15 minutes to spare for Christmas, and I was just at a Christmas party (which is the reason why I didn't respond to this thread for what, 7 hours?)
You also claim that "If this theory is so called true, why has Mick not responded with an offer? Why was his account not released early?" We're not stupid. It would be obvious if he was unbanned early, the community would definitely realize something was up. Also, that's not even the right question to be asking. The real question is- why is he tempbanned at all instead of permabanned? (Yes, I know he is perm'ed now).
Lastly, if you call this "flaming", then you have literally no common sense. We are merely providing evidence against an LQ member that deserves to be banned four times over.

I, opposed to some, think that people can change. It's not too late for Blaze to change his erroneous ways. However that doesn't warrant an unban. He broke the rules, he deserves to suffer the consequences.

Why are you still bringing this up? Do you feel like you need to be this persistent? What an arrogant little boy. The topic's over. You're literally just making yourself feel senselessly proud at this point.

I also couldn't understand a single thing you said in that post. Your quotes were terrible, your ideas lacked, the formatting sucked, and the English itself sucked. You should learn proper English before quoting me. This topic is dead. I don't know why it hasn't been locked yet.

 

[Paradise]

*Reheats popcorn*

 

[pieguy]

Why are you still bringing this up? Do you feel like you need to be this persistent? What an arrogant little boy. The topic's over. You're literally just making yourself feel senselessly proud at this point.

I also couldn't understand half the stuff you said because you can't seem to format.

Okay, sorry for any salt you are now hosting. I'm also very sorry that I refuted your comments so well that you have no counter arguments and are forced to try to defend your dignity with angry claims.

Oh
and

by

the way, sorry

for my formatting.

 

[Blade]

Yes, almost certainly.

I would just chargeback your payments.

well I'm basically fucked

I hardly had any money to start off with but I wanted to start selling OGs so I payed him to snipe me a name and if he scams I'll hardly have much money left to start a business... I can't charge back because I paid as family and friends

 

[Nagi]

First off, I'll refute your contentions one by one. You claim to have no idea what I want to achieve, however I find this blatantly obvious, and if you can't see my logic in posting this community alert of some sort, then you must not be thinking very clearly. What I have to gain is to protect this community from 1. A known scammer and LQ member and 2. The corruption of the staff.

If he a scammer, he would've been banned a long time ago. The fact that you brought up "the corruption of the staff" meant that the original goal of this thread was to target the entire team which isn't bright.

Second, I do have the time to spend 15 minutes typing up a thread, since if you didn't realize already, there are 24 hours during Christmas. I doubt anyone doesn't have 15 minutes to spare for Christmas, and I was just at a Christmas party (which is the reason why I didn't respond to this thread for what, 7 hours?)

If you didn't understand that I was talking about myself, you clearly didn't understand my post. I've had spent more time than I should on this thread than I needed to. If you thought that I spent a total of 15 minutes dealing with all this stuff, you clearly have read the whole thread and understood what I tried to do.

You also claim that "If this theory is so called true, why has Mick not responded with an offer? Why was his account not released early?" We're not stupid. It would be obvious if he was unbanned early, the community would definitely realize something was up. Also, that's not even the right question to be asking. The real question is- why is he tempbanned at all instead of permabanned? (Yes, I know he is perm'ed now).

A lot of people are unbanned early due to false conceptions. It is astounding about how you initially believed that Mick was being paid off without any solid evidence. You made an assumption that was way off it's original purpose for the sole reason of supporting a dumb statement.

Lastly, if you call this "flaming", then you have literally no common sense. We are merely providing evidence against an LQ member that deserves to be banned four times over.

Yeah. You definitely didn't read the entire thread. Half the posts here were Low Quality and were a flame attempt towards another party. The entire thread isn't restricted to Page 7 if you're curious; there're plenty more to chow your popcorn down to.

First off, I'll refute your contentions one by one.

You've refuted nothing but brought up the same topics I defended against. Re-read the thread then make another statement.