Hosting help (VPS)

[Blast_The_Blocks]

hey!

I'm looking for a new VPS host, is there anyone you know of that might have multicraft installed?

 

[Shattered]

Wait Really... Where should I get one then?

Just add my skype,

 

[Blast_The_Blocks]

It's not an 'accusation', you just told him about your company twice in two different comments?
Why would an employee direct a potential customer to their company?
Because you can make money off them.

It's not an 'accusation', you're doing exactly what you should be doing, I'm just trying to warn a noobie about the possible risks.

He should know that you opinion/statement is only being said because you can potentially make a profit from it. It's only fair.



- How many VPS's I have used in the past or use currently is not relevant.
- How many players you can hold is not dependent on how many cores you have.
- Minecraft doesn't use 8 cores. It can use a max of 2 (with Spigot/Modification).

The more you talk about this, the more I realize YOU don't know anything about VPS's.


Skype is my username, USA.

I added you on Skype, thanks for your help.

 

[Blast_The_Blocks]

He wants you to add him on Skype so he can try to complete the sale without other people trying to divert potential customers (me).

I have nothing against Atom-Host, they're brand new, I've never tried them.

However that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about here.

A VPS is not JUST a webserver. It's just hardware and an OS of your choice.
Most people USE them AS webservers because it's more affordable to get a VPS (small amount of dedicated hardware) compared to a fully dedicated box, which can cost $100+ a month.

Shattered should really stop spewing false information to try to complete a sale.
You might get more customers but actually knowing what you're talking about, and being honest with potential customers.

Good luck OP!

Have you set one of these up before? I would really appreciate some help if I do end up purchasing one.

 

[Blast_The_Blocks]

I have setup many, however I have only installed Multicraft once and it was a while ago, I prefer to use no console at all, or McMyAdmin.

Either way, all you have to do is purchase a license for Multicraft, which is typically very cheap (this way you always own a license and can install it on future dedicated machines / VPS's), and then look around for some guides on how to set it all up.
You can also find numerous members around the forums here that would be more than happy to assist you and get it installed either for free, or for a few bucks. ($2-$6)

I think I've tried McMyAdmin, what are the good features on it?

 

[Blast_The_Blocks]

The last time I compared the two, the only difference is with Multicraft you can host multiple servers from the same panel. So if you have like a hub server, it's easier to manage them all at once.

With McMyAdmin, you need a console for each server instance, so if you have 5 servers, you'll need 5 McMyAdmin licenses and you'll login to each server independently.

I find McMyAdmin to be much easier to install, has a little bit more user-friendly interface, and it does everything you need it to do and a little bit more.

Do your research!!!
Just look into what other people say they like about one over the other.

I'm more familiar with Multicraft, I might as well go with that as I'm only hosting 1 server for now.[DOUBLEPOST=1447347686,1447345462][/DOUBLEPOST]

The last time I compared the two, the only difference is with Multicraft you can host multiple servers from the same panel. So if you have like a hub server, it's easier to manage them all at once.

With McMyAdmin, you need a console for each server instance, so if you have 5 servers, you'll need 5 McMyAdmin licenses and you'll login to each server independently.

I find McMyAdmin to be much easier to install, has a little bit more user-friendly interface, and it does everything you need it to do and a little bit more.

Do your research!!!
Just look into what other people say they like about one over the other.

What do you mean about a license though? Like how do I get one?

 

[Blast_The_Blocks]

Just go to Multicraft's site and you can buy it directly from them.

Some people here might also be selling license keys, but that can be risky too.
There's a lot of fake keys that have been made.

Okay, I'll see what I can buy, when I purchase the server later today, I might need some help if you don't mind, I'll message you on skype, thanks

 

[Shattered]

It's not an 'accusation', you just told him about your company twice in two different comments?
Why would an employee direct a potential customer to their company?
Because you can make money off them.

It's not an 'accusation', you're doing exactly what you should be doing, I'm just trying to warn a noobie about the possible risks.

He should know that you opinion/statement is only being said because you can potentially make a profit from it. It's only fair.

Don't listen to him, he's trying to direct you to a hosting company that he owns/works with so they they can get your money.

Shattered should really stop spewing false information to try to complete a sale.
You might get more customers by actually knowing what you're talking about, and being honest with potential clients.

I told you I dont have a hosting company and your making accusations, just because I mentioned another host in chat (when he asked whats a good shared host) doesnt mean I own or work for it.
Then you continued to talk trash about me and say that I am trying to sell him something like if I am a sales man trying to trick him into something... Even if I did own a hosting company I think I would know a little bit more about hosting on a vps than you do, as you think an OVH VPS with 2 cores is great for running a Minecraft server. You can run a server on it, but it will be a terrible idea.
I said you should get a shared host like host-atom (or something else that I apparently work for) something with SECURED dedicated machines with a PROPER install of multi craft. You dont buy a multicraft license to run 1 server. First off you cant buy a 1 server license, you have to buy a 2 server license and it would cost you $9 for it. Then to have multicraft (the people who made the software) install it on your VPS it would cost $54, and they will set it up properly with the correct security measures, or you can pay someone on MCM to set it up on here for like $25 and it most likely wont be set up half as good.

Your gonna pay $13 for a OVH SSD3
(8 GB of ram and a 2 core processor)
Then buy a $9 multicraft license, and pay either $25-54 for someone to install it...

That is $34-63 just to get the multicraft installed including both setup and license.
AND THEN, your gonna need to pay someone to setup proper security on the VPS itself so that it doesnt get hacked (This happened to be ALOT in the past) So you can take a risk of setting all of this up, and then it gets hacked and you loose your $50 install of multicraft, or you can additionally pay someone $30-50 to secure your VPS.

Just to run one server on a very poor quality vps that might not even be able to handle minecraft, as they are for hosting websites on, You are going to pay all of that money?

You can look at a VPS that has 8 GB of ram and say 'Woah $13, thats so cheap!' there are reasons they are $13, the VPS IS FOR HOSTING WEBSITES NOT GAME SERVERS.

Spoiler: OVH SSD VPS SERVERS ARE FOR HOSTING WEBSITES!

Take my advice, dont waste your money... Inorder to set all of this stuff to host your server yourself, isn't worth it. I already made this mistake.

And Solistica, you are the one that doesnt know anything, stop acting like if I am the dumb one... This post should scare you off!

 

[Tom]

Blast_The_Blocks If you need help installing multicraft add me on skype: Tom7653.MCMS. Ill be willing to help you.

 

[morganjp]

I can get you some pretty cheap hosting.
If you PM me, I'll let you know the details.

You'd have to pay for Multicraft yourself! I can help install it though.

 

[Blast_The_Blocks]

Blast_The_Blocks If you need help installing multicraft add me on skype: Tom7653.MCMS. Ill be willing to help you.

Yes, so if I set up Multicraft, the VPS will be mostly similar to a shared hosting Control pannel?

 

[Shattered]

a shared host can be effected by another client on the same server so easily and you will always get mixed results. Somebody else could be using up too much bandwidth, they could be getting hit offline, they could be using more of the CPU, etc. Shared hosting, is by far, about the worst thing you can do.

A VPS is simply a dedicated machine with a few less bells and whistles.

A VPS is basically the same as shared hosting, its a dedicated machine split into multiple 'virtual machines' each will be shared with the other people who get a vps from ovh, there really is no difference if you get a VPS or a shared host, your still sharing the machine... There will be no difference in performance, and shared hosting is not the worst thing you can do and I bet you its much better than hosting on a VPS.
Shared host vs Shared host
There is no difference when you buy a VPS your are still sharing, but honestly dont waste your money setting it up yourself... Like I said you can set it up but its going to be very laggy and your not going to like it, I did it before to a VPS on ovh, and the processor didn't handle too well. Don't make mistakes I made before, OVH will not refund you once you buy it.

So point is.. Just go with a shared host, they have their machines properly secured, and they already have a multicraft panel installed... Trying to host the panel and everything yourself isn't the ideal thing to do for 1 server... Maybe if you had a network, but you would still do it on a dedicated machine, not a VPS.

Spoiler: And again some money stuff :)

Say you did get a vps for $13, and then bought the license for $9, then paid someone here on the market to do it half ass and cheap for $15, and didn't secure your system and take a good risk. (I got my server hacked yesterday because I took a risk http://shatteredmines.com/i/204jp.png)

Thats $37 to get everything done for as cheap as you can be, and it also comes with the risk of your server being hacked, which means you will have to reset the OS and install everything again... You could loose your server files, and you willl need to pay for a new install of multicraft, but lets pretend that doesn't happen because its not like that happened to me a day ago and 4 other times. But this could cost you up to like $50+ if your gonna get this all installed the right way.

Again, I am going to use host-atom as a good suggestion just because I know its one of the best hosting company on here.

Host-atom has a 8 GB plan ($24) with multicraft installed on a secure machine, hosted on SSD servers and has 24/7 support.
Your server most likely wont need 8 GB unless you had over 80 players, as I have a server with 40-50 average (play.criticalmc.net) and our servers dont even use half that amount of ram.

But if your server has 10-20 players average, dont waste your money on hosting, be smart about what you choose and get a shared host as cheap as $12 for a 4 GB server, and 4 GB can hold like 20-30 players no problem. If your server is first starting out be conservative of your money, buying from a MINECRAFT HOSTING COMPANY which shares dedicated machines is better than taking a VPS (for web hosting) and try to do the same with it. Your VPS may seem like its got way more RAM, but it doesn't have that too good of a processor, and will come with everything to need to be installed.

Solistica thinks I am trying to make you buy something thats not going to work for you... You can ask everyone on here how good shared hosting is, its your way to go.[DOUBLEPOST=1447371070,1447370844][/DOUBLEPOST]

3.You talk about MC like it's a difficult server to run for a computer. My cell phone could run a MC server and hold 50+ players.

hahaha
Your phone will have like 512 MB of RAM, I'd like to see you hold more than 10.
I know this is a joke, but about half of that RAM is for the OS itself... So its really not even 256 MB left. (same goes with a VPS, you need to leave a some RAM for the OS you cant have an 8 GB server if you have an 8 GB VPS)

 

[Shattered]

We all speak from our own experiences.

You do what works for you, and share, and I do what works for me, and share.

If you've had issues with running servers on VPS's in the past, well then I must be doing something different.

Where did you host your VPS from?
and how many players did you have average?

 

[Shattered]

Not really relevant because each server runs at different specs considering how it's setup, how many plugins it has, what jar it's using, what OS it's on, and what CPU it's running on.

Well your saying how good it can host on an OVH VPS, I want to know if you ever hosted from them.

I hosted from them with less than 20 plugins (less than average amount), on a $24 VPS with even better specs than the ones this guy is getting...

I got a 20 TPS on my server, until 10 players joined... Then it dropped to 5 TPS.

 

[Blast_The_Blocks]

Most likely going to go with shared hosting: shockbyte.com as I called the people from OVH and they said that a VPS will not hold a server well.[DOUBLEPOST=1447372176,1447372100][/DOUBLEPOST]This is the hardwere for shockbyte... good?
• Intel Xeon E5-1650v2 @ 3.50Ghz
• Solid State Drives on RAID 1
• 1Gbps Uplink

 

[Blast_The_Blocks]

Going with 4GB to start off with maybe 20 - 30 players

 

[Blast_The_Blocks]

Glad you found what you think will work best for you OP

Yeah, but with that player base, and those machine specs, do you think It'll work out? I plan on having around 30 plugins at the start

 

[Blast_The_Blocks]

I think what you picked out will be more than enough to get you started and on your feet, then you'll just need to upgrade as needed! Should be painless

Awesome, does it say on there if I can upgrade? I don't see it?

 

[Vyzon]

You could look at SoYouStart's game servers or dedis they are fairly cheap and they will do the job.

 

[Shattered]

You could look at SoYouStart's game servers or dedis they are fairly cheap and they will do the job.

Or a shared host which hosts on the same.