ID Verified Checkmark/Marker/Identifier

[118833]

After a small discussion with NeedSomeFood, we came up with an idea for accounts that verify their ID.
The general idea is allowing people to verify their ID, meaning people are less likely to scam with a verified ID.

My idea:
Have people have the option to verify their ID, they would get an extra tag "ID Verified". Or a checkmark, or anything to reflect they shared their details with BBB
However, you would require to have an rep amount that reflects the right to verify. (25+, 100+, etc). Maybe also a verified phone number.

Feel free to discuss it below, I will add additions for people who can come up with additional idea's.

Deliable

Some users, maybe, can't verify their ID, so phone number is a better idea in my opinion. But, VoIP numbers must be forbidden, such as Google Voice, if something like this happens. Great idea!

Optionally: If you only verify your phone number in a non-id country, get a "partially verified" checkmark.

 

[NeedSomeFood]

I really believe that this can help to 1. Deter scammers and 2. Help users to feel more assured when making deals involving larger sums of money since there will be a proper way to purpue losses due to scams etc.

Although I'm not too sure regarding the minimum amount of rep needed to be verified.

 

[Deliable]

Some users, maybe, can't verify their ID, so phone number is a better idea in my opinion. But, VoIP numbers must be forbidden, such as Google Voice, if something like this happens. Great idea!

 

[118833]

Some users, maybe, can't verify their ID, so phone number is a better idea in my opinion. But, VoIP numbers must be forbidden, such as Google Voice, if something like this happens. Great idea!

The issue is that you can easily get a burner sim. So maybe a "partially verified" would apply here.

I really believe that this can help to 1. Deter scammers and 2. Help users to feel more assured when making deals involving larger sums of money since there will be a proper way to purpue losses due to scams etc.

Although I'm not too sure regarding the minimum amount of rep needed to be verified.

Minimum rep would deter -5 rep from being able to have a verified "something" on their account.

 

[Deliable]

The issue is that you can easily get a burner sim. So maybe a "partially verified" would apply here.


Minimum rep would deter -5 rep from being able to have a verified "something" on their account.

Yeah, "Partially Verified" is a great idea.

 

[118833]

I think a reputation requirement shouldn't be required to have the trust involved with ID verification. There's no point.
You're still showing the site who you are whether you are or aren't high reputation.

Personally, I don't see BBB doing this:
A.) Because of the moderation requirement in verifying IDs are real.
and
B.) Most users on the site are under 18, having an ID isn't a given for some of those people unless their parents have paid for it.
and
C.) There's a lot of security concerns when dealing with identifying information like national IDs which BBB would have to overcome.

Overall, it seems like a good premise, but I don't see it being implemented with or without changes to the requirements.

A: Explain the "real" part of this.
B: It shoudn't be a "we verify this user as A or B", only saying "this user grantd us their id"
C: Stripe/other services handle this, just like discord uses it for age verification.

 

[Ally]

Putting aside the numerous other suggestions on this exact topic, take a look around. We do not need another platform that holds people's IDs and frankly BBB does not need the liability.

For the Aussie users out here, https://www.webberinsurance.com.au/data-breaches-list#twentytwo

Post automatically merged: Jan 6, 2023

The general idea is allowing people to verify their ID, meaning people are less likely to scam with a verified ID.

You have this confused. It does not in any way do this aside from limiting the creation of alt accounts from which users can scam, which, actually, won't be the case since plenty of people can't and won't verify their ID.

 

[NeedSomeFood]

Regarding privacy/staffing issues, BBB will not necessarily be the one handling it. There are companies out there that automate this service. I can't name the companies off the top of my head but one of the big companies that use these services is Spotify for their student ID check. I don't see why you wouldn't verify your ID if you can appear to be more legitimate and give your potential customers a greater peace of mind.

Additionally, getting your ID verified really helps to legitimize you and whatever you are doing. Take the verification checkmark as a certificate/license. For driving, you require a driving license, to set up a shop in the real world, you need a license for that too. I don't see why e-commerce, especially one like BBB, a marketplace not have some form of verification / licensing system in place.

 

[lawa]

+ BUMP I almost got cyber harassed since someone was a creep but repped person

 

[Collision]

This has been brought up and denied in the past. How would this make people less likely to scam, if anything people would take advantage and make themselves look more trustworthy and scam people. Anyone who has an ID could just send in a photo of it and become verified that doesn't make you any more trusted than you were before.

 

[zArrowTan]

After a small discussion with NeedSomeFood, we came up with an idea for accounts that verify their ID.
The general idea is allowing people to verify their ID, meaning people are less likely to scam with a verified ID.

My idea:
Have people have the option to verify their ID, they would get an extra tag "ID Verified". Or a checkmark, or anything to reflect they shared their details with BBB
However, you would require to have an rep amount that reflects the right to verify. (25+, 100+, etc). Maybe also a verified phone number.

Feel free to discuss it below, I will add additions for people who can come up with additional idea's.

Deliable

Optionally: If you only verify your phone number in a non-id country, get a "partially verified" checkmark.

It's all great, but I'm pretty sure many here are below the age of 18 and are insecure about giving their ID here. Also, it reduces new users' trust in not dealing with non-verified users as their first instinct would be to ignore them. This would of course affect businesses that are not verified but trusted by the old community.
Just saying what I think.

 

[Rej]

Having a "Verified freelancer" badge would probably hold mc-market/BuiltByBit to be more responsible for scammers scamming

I guess that wouldn't be as much of a problem if super reputable people could only apply for that badge, like 500+ rep. But even reputable people scam sometimes, especially when payment is getting sent directly to them.

Thread source: https://builtbybit.com/threads/verified-freelancers.702051/

As VactumPlays said on another similar thread that recently got denied, verifying people (whether it's via their amount of reputation, ID, or phone number) will mean that BBB will be more responsible (and possibly liable) for any scams committed by "verified" members.

So much work goes into verifying IDs. Yes, it could be outsourced but no company is going to take on the responsibility of legitimising, verifying and storing an ID for free, and I don't see BBB taking on the financial burden of that, or implementing an internal system to individually legitimise and verify IDs.

If you get scammed, gather the proof and take it to the financial institution that facilitated the transaction to get it reversed (e.g. PayPal, or your bank).

Yep. I don't like the idea of us implying that anyone is officially a trusted person. Our reputation system allows buyers and sellers to assess each other to decide whether or not they want to work with each other, and I feel like this system works very well. Freelancers and creators should feel comfortable with setting their prices to whatever level they feel comfortable with regardless of whether they're official according to us.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion

I personally don't see any great benefits to verifying IDs or phone numbers.

 

[Fluid54321]

This is a major security concern and their is no real reason to add this, I'm assuming most of us don't live in a Nazi state.

If you get scammed on BuiltByBit it's your own fault for not using a middleman so stop crying

Post automatically merged: Jan 14, 2023

Regarding privacy/staffing issues, BBB will not necessarily be the one handling it. There are companies out there that automate this service. I can't name the companies off the top of my head but one of the big companies that use these services is Spotify for their student ID check. I don't see why you wouldn't verify your ID if you can appear to be more legitimate and give your potential customers a greater peace of mind.

Additionally, getting your ID verified really helps to legitimize you and whatever you are doing. Take the verification checkmark as a certificate/license. For driving, you require a driving license, to set up a shop in the real world, you need a license for that too. I don't see why e-commerce, especially one like BBB, a marketplace not have some form of verification / licensing system in place.

Having a verified licence on your profile doesn't stop scamming either way, people will still do it, granted scams may become less common.

However the second this is introduced people will find ways around it for example modifying their own ID in photoshop

 

[118833]

Realisticly, this is not an viable suggestion anymore seeing that it won't really be feasable for BBB to uphold. Hence requesting staff to close/delete this suggestion.

 

[Tofty]

I don't think this would or should happen.

The reputation system should be the only BBB-sponsored way of determining how trustworthy/reliable a user is before making a deal with them. That is because each feedback review carries a subjective, descriptive view of how the deal went. Users can read feedback reviews and make their own minds up about someone.

However, if you wanted to 'verify' users but add a reputation threshold, you're automatically inferring that being 'verified' is somehow connected to the reputation of a user. Given feedback reviews are so wide-ranging, such threshold would not take into account individual factors within the feedback reviews. In addition, I believe this would only serve to give users a false sense of security. Users that I would have seen as 'trustworthy' have scammed when leaving the community, so their status (or any personal information held against them) won't necessarily deter everyone from scamming.

If someone does get scammed by a verified user, I can see this causing problems for BuiltByBit as the verification tag will be widely seen as an endorsement of that user by BBB.

 

[118833]

I don't think this would or should happen.

The reputation system should be the only BBB-sponsored way of determining how trustworthy/reliable a user is before making a deal with them. That is because each feedback review carries a subjective, descriptive view of how the deal went. Users can read feedback reviews and make their own minds up about someone.

However, if you wanted to 'verify' users but add a reputation threshold, you're automatically inferring that being 'verified' is somehow connected to the reputation of a user. Given feedback reviews are so wide-ranging, such threshold would not take into account individual factors within the feedback reviews. In addition, I believe this would only serve to give users a false sense of security. Users that I would have seen as 'trustworthy' have scammed when leaving the community, so their status (or any personal information held against them) won't necessarily deter everyone from scamming.

If someone does get scammed by a verified user, I can see this causing problems for BuiltByBit as the verification tag will be widely seen as an endorsement of that user by BBB.

Yeah after further discussion in the discord this came out, it's to much work and would seems like an endorsement from BBB. So I'm keeping this for archival sake. But it's not an idea that should continue