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If factory workers were overpaid those products their making would skyrocket in price. Developers, on the other hand, are found on the opposite side of the line. If developers get underpaid, their is no where else for them to go. Workers can still find jobs where they put their products to use (EX: they make a computer they can help re-purpose them, or fix them). Developers, being at the end, lack that next step. They either stay developing or they move on. Developers are of one of the highest demanded jobs at the moment do to their necessity in the modern world. Often those that lack the education find themsleves struggling at a factory job, not for the rest of their life, but for only as long as they need it.
I made an account just to point out how garbage this argument is (apologies if that comes off strong, but it's honestly god-awful).
Average salary for a Software Engineer: $91,844/annualum
How much is that per hour (assuming 40hrs/week): $44.16/hour
How much a general developer asks per hour for a plugin: Let's say $11 (and that's generous)
You have a problem with hiring programmers at 25% of the price of the average developer? When you hire someone to do a job, you aren't just hiring them to complete it, you're hiring someone who has taken time out of their life to learn a trade skill so that they can exchange their knowledge and effort for money.
You aren't paying a developer $11 to do a plugin, you're paying them $11 because they know how to make that plugin.
I wonder how you base your claims considering you yourself said that you aren't a developer. Please explain to me how a factory worker will have to learn anything up to this level:
Liskov Substitution Principle
Dependency Injection
Djikstra's Algorithm
A* search algorithm
Discrete mathematics principles (Demorgan's law anyone?)
Vector mathematics
API design and structure
Object lifecycle management
Caching
JDBC and other DBMS, as well as understanding the underlying DMLs/DDLs
Networking and protocols
(By the way, these are just basic concepts)
And let's not forget: Learning a programming language whos specification is over 900 pages long (and that's not 900 pages of fluff, that's 900 pages of pure, raw information about the language).
Hell, let's even throw in experience. Any factory workers with 10 years of Java experience under their belt? No? Well I'm sure you can wait for one of them to figure it out and get a plugin that takes perhaps an hour done in a week or two. (That's the other fun part, for more $/hour, you typically get someone who gets it done faster anyhow).
The whole point of hiring a developer is that you're paying someone who has taken the time to learn something you don't want to in order to be able to complete a task that you cannot do. I've worked (and am going to work again) full-time for servers, and I get paid just like a full-time job. You get what you pay for, if you can't spare the extra $5-10 to hire a decent developer then don't complain when the product you receive is shit.
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As you said, Software Engineer. I see you as a Java Developer. With that pay, you would be working a for a large corporation not being a self employed Java Developer. What plugin would cost $11 with that price? You are likely to find something similar if not exact on Bukkit or Spigot for free.
Let's say you wanted to make a custom Skyblock plugin. This could take a month or two if not more. 5 hours a day for one month straight. Do you believe that plugin is worth $1500?
I am going to leave this thread here due to the hostility of this thread.
That's funny, I just got paid $6000 to do a Skyblock plugin.
Edit: Since you think I'm joking:
Additionally, I don't care what you see me as. I am a software engineer, what you think doesn't change fact. On top of that you really helped to show you don't know anything about developing when you said "you would be working a for a large corporation not being a self employed Java Developer". Apparently you don't even have an inkling of an idea of what it's like to work as a developer.
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Just going to state my opinion about this issue,
The only time I feel that paying below or around minimal wage is acceptable is when you contracted that developer to only work for you alot of hours a month. Say 6 hours a day or something. Even then I dislike the idea of even pushing developers to work that low.
Freelance developing (Professional grade) from my experience is around 40 dollars a hour considering the developers have no idea when their next job will be at all. I've even see as high as 100 dollars an hour because that developer was so underused.
Making developers work below minimal wage is purely greed, my server is barely 100 players in size and we earn well over 5K monthly without even trying and our server bills are 130~ USD monthly.
That is 4.9K leftover for whatever we fancy.
The only time I feel that paying below or around minimal wage is acceptable is when you contracted that developer to only work for you alot of hours a month. Say 6 hours a day or something. Even then I dislike the idea of even pushing developers to work that low.
Freelance developing (Professional grade) from my experience is around 40 dollars a hour considering the developers have no idea when their next job will be at all. I've even see as high as 100 dollars an hour because that developer was so underused.
Making developers work below minimal wage is purely greed, my server is barely 100 players in size and we earn well over 5K monthly without even trying and our server bills are 130~ USD monthly.
That is 4.9K leftover for whatever we fancy.
We all know that 4.9K is for hookers ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Anyways, minimal wage payments to devs when it's obvious that your server makes more is just a jerk move. At least in my opinion.
I have a custom plugin that basically sets the spawn point for someone and essentials break this feature of the plugin, so i need a lightweight version.
I wasn't the one who mentioned it in the first place so..
To sum the argument up : You pay for what you get. Yeah, go ahead and pay 5$ for some but have fun with the shit quality. Don't be cheap and spend the money needed, it will be worth it in the long run.
So much popcorn has been eaten while reading this.
CommandBook exists.
No idiot did, you get what you pay for. I value my own work, and have over 10 years of Java experience to back it.
Nah I'd say he is an idiot.[DOUBLEPOST=1427987157,1427987086][/DOUBLEPOST]
What is up with you an minimum wage? This isn't a job, this is a service. If you want a minimum wage or higher job, go get it outside of a minecraft website.$10 = 1 hour unless you want us to go under minimum wage
$10 an hour is extremely cheap. You are never going to get a real developer to work for you when you pay them slave wages.
I'm paid in wages
Sure is a good thing I don't live in any of those places
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