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Be honest, just dont act like a 5 year old
I personally think $10 per hour is way OP, then again it depends on the value of the plugin and who's doing it.
Meaning is the developer actually managing the time in a good way or wasting it so he can get extra cash.
Is he actually putting effort by making it to the best he can or going too fast and then that mean he has to fix it which could take up hours.
A server owner would pay this |
- $500 per month.
-> 1-3 hours per day working.
-> Attend to the community.
-> Knowledge of Java, Bungee, Bukkit, etc.
- $ / per project
- > 1-2 hours per day working.
-> Knowledge of Java, Bungee, Bukkit, etc.
I do $ / per project because there isn't always times where I'll need my developers to work so I'd rather pay per hour. Secondly, they are time proficient they actually put work into this. They finish a "hard" plugin faster then expected (2-3 days).
How this does this relate?
Developers actually have to learn how to code, you think you can just look at a plugin someone did and learn?
Developers has a completely different job from Server Owners / Set-ups / Builders.
Server Owners
We just have to set-up config and manage the community.
We also have to manage the developers and builders, but that's not even hard. We have the easy job and we're probably making bank.
Builders
They get direction on how the build is from the server-owner along with how the theme is and etc.
A usual build for this would be about $100-$200. (150x150)
-> Why don't you pay builders per hour?
Builders has an easy task and that's called "IMAGINATION" - Spongebob.
They don't have to learn a lot except world edit , voxel sniper, and probably world painter.
They just need to know how to bring the build into Minecraft and make it look legit.
Set-Up
This is similar to a server-owner position where they just config. Anyone can do this, it's not hard. That's why it's cheap.
First of all, set-ups are not as bad as you have to worry about 3 main factors
Kits are not really hard to do, just ask the user who wants the set-up how he wants it.
-> (Prison, Skywars, KitPvP, OP Prison, Factions, etc)
Eco is kinda hard, you have to come up with unique prices and make it fit.
Unless you're that type to copy prices off another server..
As I just explained, Developers have a different job in this minecraft section. Developers doesn't just have to learn java (which is outside of minecraft), but they have to learn extended things such as bungee, CENTos experience, etc.
Meaning is the developer actually managing the time in a good way or wasting it so he can get extra cash.
Is he actually putting effort by making it to the best he can or going too fast and then that mean he has to fix it which could take up hours.
A server owner would pay this |
- $500 per month.
-> 1-3 hours per day working.
-> Attend to the community.
-> Knowledge of Java, Bungee, Bukkit, etc.
- $ / per project
- > 1-2 hours per day working.
-> Knowledge of Java, Bungee, Bukkit, etc.
I do $ / per project because there isn't always times where I'll need my developers to work so I'd rather pay per hour. Secondly, they are time proficient they actually put work into this. They finish a "hard" plugin faster then expected (2-3 days).
How this does this relate?
Developers actually have to learn how to code, you think you can just look at a plugin someone did and learn?
Developers has a completely different job from Server Owners / Set-ups / Builders.
Server Owners
We just have to set-up config and manage the community.
We also have to manage the developers and builders, but that's not even hard. We have the easy job and we're probably making bank.
Builders
They get direction on how the build is from the server-owner along with how the theme is and etc.
A usual build for this would be about $100-$200. (150x150)
-> Why don't you pay builders per hour?
Builders has an easy task and that's called "IMAGINATION" - Spongebob.
They don't have to learn a lot except world edit , voxel sniper, and probably world painter.
They just need to know how to bring the build into Minecraft and make it look legit.
Set-Up
This is similar to a server-owner position where they just config. Anyone can do this, it's not hard. That's why it's cheap.
First of all, set-ups are not as bad as you have to worry about 3 main factors
- Regions
- Kits
- Eco
Kits are not really hard to do, just ask the user who wants the set-up how he wants it.
-> (Prison, Skywars, KitPvP, OP Prison, Factions, etc)
Eco is kinda hard, you have to come up with unique prices and make it fit.
Unless you're that type to copy prices off another server..
As I just explained, Developers have a different job in this minecraft section. Developers doesn't just have to learn java (which is outside of minecraft), but they have to learn extended things such as bungee, CENTos experience, etc.
Simple terms, Developers have a harder job in my opinion compared to other rolls in this.
Building is as hard as java developing.
You're acting like a five year old too. maxben34 isn't the only problem here.Be honest, just dont act like a 5 year old
Anyone can click on a block with a wood axe and type a command.
Sure they can, but they prob need 6+ years of experiance.
Example:
Thats like saying anyone can be as good as Picasso.
Building and coding are both types of arts. However, builds are significantly less important than coding and plugins when it comes to running a successful server. Subsequently, hiring developers should be more costly than hiring builders.
yet builders get paid more than developers.
Thats like saying Picasso is cheaper to hire than bill gates. When you know Picasso would be more expensive.
People pay millions of dollars to artwork, yet pay less for a security system. Yet a security system is more important.
You cant learn creativeness, or art. But you can learn how to program a plugin.
I have never seen a 'build' sold for $6000.That's funny, I just got paid $6000 to do a Skyblock plugin.
Edit: Since you think I'm joking:
Additionally, I don't care what you see me as. I am a software engineer, what you think doesn't change fact. On top of that you really helped to show you don't know anything about developing when you said "you would be working a for a large corporation not being a self employed Java Developer". Apparently you don't even have an inkling of an idea of what it's like to work as a developer.
People get build offers that cost more than 6k. PilsCreations got offered 2k a month to build for their server regularly.
I highly doubt this 'SkyBlock' plugin took more than a month.
And you dont think he ripped that client off? I can get professional developers to make me a skyblock plugin for $500
I'll believe it when I see the source.
I've paid my developers over $5,000 in total at this point. Am I getting ripped off? Not slightly. You seem to completely underappreciate code and the artform that it is.
Coding is an art just like anything else. Good developers do their very best to make their code as efficient and concise as possible. Some of the best code you'll ever see is just as inspiring to a new aspiring developer as a work of Picasso would be to an amateur aspiring artist.
"Professional Developers" the word professional doesn't innately mean that they are good, that word actually means that they develop as a profession (meaning as their job). I know people that make 6 figures coding plugins for minecraft servers. It is a profession. You can try to say that building is just as hard as coding (but that's not the case). The issue here is that you're just simply being ignorant as you've never developed plugins and saw the value in it.
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I don't even know why we're debating about this. In the end, who gives a crap about whether "which one should get paid more?" In the end, they are both equally important for the success of a server. Hike, when you said that "anyone can learn to code," that is absolute bs. Many people I know couldn't learn how to do a config if their life was on the line, but can build spectacularly. Coding is just as much as an art as building is. They can both be used in the real world. They are both complex, and how which one should get paid more is by how many hours they put in and the quality of their work. This is kind of irrelevant, and I can't believe we're even talking about this in a simple "Lightweight Essentials" thread when the OP should've just downloaded CommandBook.
I don't even know why we're debating about this. In the end, who gives a crap about whether "which one should get paid more?" In the end, they are both equally important for the success of a server. Hike, when you said that "anyone can learn to code," that is absolute bs. Many people I know couldn't learn how to do a config if their life was on the line, but can build spectacularly. Coding is just as much as an art as building is. They can both be used in the real world. They are both complex, and how which one should get paid more is by how many hours they put in and the quality of their work. This is kind of irrelevant, and I can't believe we're even talking about this in a simple "Lightweight Essentials" thread when the OP should've just downloaded CommandBook.
Anyone can learn coding or configuration if they actually put their time and effort into it. Many people learn differently, maybe he isnt good with youtube tutorials. I am positive he can learn.
I am also positive anyone can learn how to build.
You cant learn art.
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