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My suggestion would be to simply separate the rating and vouch system. Have vouches be limited so that you can only give out a few of those per day, say maybe 5 for regular members and 10 for premium members, and then have the rest of the reputation points be unlimited, or limited based on whether or not you are premium.
The vouches could then be displayed underneath the ratings, shifting the "Generous" and such medals downwards, given that there's lots of unused real-estate in that area. This allows people to see a person's number of vouches at a simple glance, rather than having to go to their profile and look, and provides a far more effective method of determining a person's reputation than looking at their rating does.
Here is a mock up of this:
If one blames the current rating system issues entirely on Montyburly and I, they would be foolish for doing so given that neither Montyburly nor I have given out many vouch ratings (as you may see evidence of on our account pages). Basing your opinion on whether or not someone is trusted off of their ratings has never seemed wise to me - as someone may have accumulated all of those ratings in the current system without having done a single business transaction.
This system, I believe, is the most effective method of solving all of the issues the rating system currently has while making all sides of the argument happy.
The vouches could then be displayed underneath the ratings, shifting the "Generous" and such medals downwards, given that there's lots of unused real-estate in that area. This allows people to see a person's number of vouches at a simple glance, rather than having to go to their profile and look, and provides a far more effective method of determining a person's reputation than looking at their rating does.
Here is a mock up of this:
If one blames the current rating system issues entirely on Montyburly and I, they would be foolish for doing so given that neither Montyburly nor I have given out many vouch ratings (as you may see evidence of on our account pages). Basing your opinion on whether or not someone is trusted off of their ratings has never seemed wise to me - as someone may have accumulated all of those ratings in the current system without having done a single business transaction.
This system, I believe, is the most effective method of solving all of the issues the rating system currently has while making all sides of the argument happy.
My suggestion would be to simply separate the rating and vouch system. Have vouches be limited so that you can only give out a few of those per day, say maybe 5 for regular members and 10 for premium members, and then have the rest of the reputation points be unlimited, or limited based on whether or not you are premium.
The vouches could then be displayed underneath the ratings, shifting the "Generous" and such medals downwards, given that there's lots of unused real-estate in that area. This allows people to see a person's number of vouches at a simple glance, rather than having to go to their profile and look, and provides a far more effective method of determining a person's reputation than looking at their rating does.
Here is a mock up of this:
If one blames the current rating system issues entirely on Montyburly and I, they would be foolish for doing so given that neither Montyburly nor I have given out many vouch ratings (as you may see evidence of on our account pages). Basing your opinion on whether or not someone is trusted off of their ratings has never seemed wise to me - as someone may have accumulated all of those ratings in the current system without having done a single business transaction.
This system, I believe, is the most effective method of solving all of the issues the rating system currently has while making all sides of the argument happy.
>get alts
>get on mcm
>start vouching all your stuff
>500+ vouches
>trusted
>scam
>???
>Profit!
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This doesn't really solve the problem at all, and you pretending like it does proves that you were never actually concerned about the rate boosting issue. I am sure people like Nighterblde would agree this is very much an issue, and that people making alt accounts and rate boosting their posts, or getting their friends to come and rate boost them, is a very common thing on this forum.
I suggested a limit on the vouches, how is that any different at all from the system you proposed in your OP? The only difference is that my system separates the vouches from the rest of the rating system, which makes sense because vouches are the only rating that really matters. The rest of the ratings are entirely subjective.
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And for those who are disagreeing with me just because they hate me, let me add this: If you look at my profile, I only have 20 vouches received, because Montyburly and I almost never give those out and Monty is the one that handles the Ferret Account Shop, which is where most of our business is.
So let's look at what would happen if this was put into place:
nara~kavi : 20 vouches received
montyburly : 56 vouches received
Doge : 20 vouches received
Located : 64 vouches received
Arc : 5 vouches received
LinuxKernel : 56 vouches received
Nic : 242 vouches received
Nighterblde : 155 vouches received
Skill : 267 vouches received
This has the intended effect. Members that engage in more business/have more transactions will have the most vouches. People like me, who do not spend most of our time on the forum engaging in business, will have less vouches. This gives everybody a simple way to look and see who they can trust - most people with a large amount of vouches would not engage in scamming, and if there were limits placed on vouching then these vouches would become even more valuable and respected.
You can see the huge gap here between my vouch rating and members like Nic, who have much more successful transactions than me, which represents the gap that many of you feel *should* exist between the two of us given that most of my posts are not serious and are just made for purposes of entertainment. But entertainment gives life to a forum, it keeps guests that would otherwise come and go staying, buying more of your products - and I think this is an essential part of the overall system that makes this site function. Destroying any of the cogs in this system would be a mistake.
I will only reply seriously to this thread and will not respond to any sort of attacks on Montyburly and I made in here, as I do not wish for the thread to be derailed. Please only respond directly to what I am saying.
So let's look at what would happen if this was put into place:
nara~kavi : 20 vouches received
montyburly : 56 vouches received
Doge : 20 vouches received
Located : 64 vouches received
Arc : 5 vouches received
LinuxKernel : 56 vouches received
Nic : 242 vouches received
Nighterblde : 155 vouches received
Skill : 267 vouches received
This has the intended effect. Members that engage in more business/have more transactions will have the most vouches. People like me, who do not spend most of our time on the forum engaging in business, will have less vouches. This gives everybody a simple way to look and see who they can trust - most people with a large amount of vouches would not engage in scamming, and if there were limits placed on vouching then these vouches would become even more valuable and respected.
You can see the huge gap here between my vouch rating and members like Nic, who have much more successful transactions than me, which represents the gap that many of you feel *should* exist between the two of us given that most of my posts are not serious and are just made for purposes of entertainment. But entertainment gives life to a forum, it keeps guests that would otherwise come and go staying, buying more of your products - and I think this is an essential part of the overall system that makes this site function. Destroying any of the cogs in this system would be a mistake.
I will only reply seriously to this thread and will not respond to any sort of attacks on Montyburly and I made in here, as I do not wish for the thread to be derailed. Please only respond directly to what I am saying.
>GREENTEXT first of all.
green. text.
second of all, I hated my own ideas. I only liked the one where Premium can only rep and if a player is worthy or trust worthy of rep, then he gets repped.
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I think this is a really good idea and should seriously be considered. The rating system as it is has always been flawed, before narakavi and I even joined MC-Market. You guys claim that ratings determine trustworthiness, when they do not at all. Posts like thisMy suggestion would be to simply separate the rating and vouch system. Have vouches be limited so that you can only give out a few of those per day, say maybe 5 for regular members and 10 for premium members, and then have the rest of the reputation points be unlimited, or limited based on whether or not you are premium.
The vouches could then be displayed underneath the ratings, shifting the "Generous" and such medals downwards, given that there's lots of unused real-estate in that area. This allows people to see a person's number of vouches at a simple glance, rather than having to go to their profile and look, and provides a far more effective method of determining a person's reputation than looking at their rating does.
Here is a mock up of this:
If one blames the current rating system issues entirely on Montyburly and I, they would be foolish for doing so given that neither Montyburly nor I have given out many vouch ratings (as you may see evidence of on our account pages). Basing your opinion on whether or not someone is trusted off of their ratings has never seemed wise to me - as someone may have accumulated all of those ratings in the current system without having done a single business transaction.
This system, I believe, is the most effective method of solving all of the issues the rating system currently has while making all sides of the argument happy.
get multiple likes when they have nothing at all to do with business. How should ItsMonkey's post about his computer set up determine the amount of trust people put into him for business transactions? This is just one example of many posts that get rated like this. Having a separate rating system for ratings like 'funny', 'like', etc. for casual posts like the one featured in the picture above would be perfect. Then having a different vouch rating system would help people determine who to trust when making business transactions.
Having a limit of 5 or 10 vouches a day would prevent vouch spamming or vouch farming. I don't see any harm in rating posts like ItsMonkey's above 'funny' because it's meant to be taken lightly and funny. Having a separate system should solve everyone's problems.
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I think this is a really good idea and should seriously be considered. The rating system as it is has always been flawed, before narakavi and I even joined MC-Market. You guys claim that ratings determine trustworthiness, when they do not at all. Posts like this
get multiple likes when they have nothing at all to do with business. How should ItsMonkey's post about his computer set up determine the amount of trust people put into him for business transactions? This is just one example of many posts that get rated like this. Having a separate rating system for ratings like 'funny', 'like', etc. for casual posts like the one featured in the picture above would be perfect. Then having a different vouch rating system would help people determine who to trust when making business transactions. Having a limit of 5 or 10 vouches a day would prevent vouch spamming or vouch farming. I don't see any harm in rating posts like ItsMonkey's above 'funny' because it's meant to be taken lightly and funny. Having a separate system should solve everyone's problems.
You and Nara spam those but you also use "informative" and "vouch" on things such as "sup dood". not real post, just an example
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Thank you for proving that all my ratings are not just from narakavi.
narakvai... does have a lot of likes for the few posts... it is kinda odd.
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