Make scam reports public

[MTG]

So this is getting out hand, been like this for 6 months, no thing is getting catched up, and since M6 resigned, It's pretty impossible to catch up right now, so I think all scam reports should be public [including new ones made] I know a lot of site that has their scam reports public and there are no problems.

TLDR: Just make current and new scam reports public.

If you disagree state why.

 

[Jerry]

Regardless, I don't want that information shared with a staff member here.

Uh, the staff members who take care of the reports see the raw report and remove sensitive info if necessary. Other staff can see revisions that were made(from my experience on other sites)

 

[Erwan]

It’s time they become public as they aren’t being delt with frequently. If it didn’t take months to get it done, it would be needed but this is just crazy.

 

[Landon]

Disagree
People can give out sensible/private information in scam reports which they don't want the entire site to see (e.x addresses, etc.)

This is true. Moderators censor private info out (Emails, addresses, names on the PayPal, etc). Then, once any personably identifiable information is removed, the Scam Report is made public. Making Scam Reports public opens new users to leaking something about themself or the scammer, which is never good.

 

[Blaze]

Emails can automatically be censored

 

[MarkFreak]

Again some upgraded kids will feel more powerful against members and make false reports, and staff will not do anything as they don't do anything with reputation.

 

[Ivain]

After a report gets accepted/denied the posts go public anyways, +1 to this idea.

Not all of them. Each post in a scam report has to be approved by a moderator, and usually when the post goes public it's already had sensitive information filtered out.

 

[Annie]

I've been against this for a long time but it's just getting out of hand. I've had a report opened and deleted multiple times since FEBRUARY and it's still not dealt with. While the user no longer uses the site, it's still EXTREMELY frustrating. I'm going to have to agree with this now considering I need to open a THIRD scam report that I don't want to wait until 2019 to have dealt with.

Mhm I fucking feel you, this marketplace is 9/10 scammers and unless they do something it's gonna go down the fucking toob. I was scammed $240+ from someone I met here on MCM, well a friend of a "friend" but I had the feeling they were the same person. There was no proof so I couldn't open a report but. I've knows many big scammers, in fact a lot of the top people are scammers and get banned for something else that is directly against the rules cause they're good at pulling shit out of their ass.[DOUBLEPOST=1530378768][/DOUBLEPOST]

Uh, the staff members who take care of the reports see the raw report and remove sensitive info if necessary. Other staff can see revisions that were made(from my experience on other sites)

Not all of them. Each post in a scam report has to be approved by a moderator, and usually when the post goes public it's already had sensitive information filtered out.

Just read this please[DOUBLEPOST=1530378876][/DOUBLEPOST]

This is true. Moderators censor private info out (Emails, addresses, names on the PayPal, etc). Then, once any personably identifiable information is removed, the Scam Report is made public. Making Scam Reports public opens new users to leaking something about themself or the scammer, which is never good.

I'd rather have my email leaked then some kid running around scamming for 4 months, 99% of all reports open are from April. I opened one about a month ago and guess what LMAO it's still private and not dealt with at all. The user is still scamming

 

[Landon]

Mhm I fucking feel you, this marketplace is 9/10 scammers and unless they do something it's gonna go down the fucking toob. I was scammed $240+ from someone I met here on MCM, well a friend of a "friend" but I had the feeling they were the same person. There was no proof so I couldn't open a report but. I've knows many big scammers, in fact a lot of the top people are scammers and get banned for something else that is directly against the rules cause they're good at pulling shit out of their ass.[DOUBLEPOST=1530378768][/DOUBLEPOST]



Just read this please[DOUBLEPOST=1530378876][/DOUBLEPOST]
I'd rather have my email leaked then some kid running around scamming for 4 months, 99% of all reports open are from April. I opened one about a month ago and guess what LMAO it's still private and not dealt with at all. The user is still scamming

It isn't just email. A lot of reports will include a screenshot of the PayPal payment and if it was made via G&S might show an address, and regardless will show your full name.

 

[Callam]

It isn't just email. A lot of reports will include a screenshot of the PayPal payment and if it was made via G&S might show an address, and regardless will show your full name.

So the usual stuff that becomes public on the Internet when you register a company?

 

[Landon]

So the usual stuff that becomes public on the Internet when you register a company?

Is everyone here registering a company?

There's a difference between knowingly revealing information and doxing yourself because you wanted to get a $10 scammer banned.

 

[Callam]

Is everyone here registering a company?

There's a difference between knowingly revealing information and doxing yourself because you wanted to get a $10 scammer banned.

Sensor your information before you post it in a report. Having someones full name or address isn't as big as a deal as you guys make it out to be (every time you make a deal with someone on this site, they get that information from Paypal). I don't understand why you all think MCM should be different from other marketplace forums that have operated much longer and are larger. People need to know if someone is a scammer and be able to read the post (then if it's invalid they can see that for themselves).

 

[Landon]

Sensor your information before you post it in a report. Having someones full name or address isn't as big as a deal as you guys make it out to be (every time you make a deal with someone on this site, they get that information from Paypal). I don't understand why you all think MCM should be different from other marketplace forums that have operated much longer and are larger. People need to know if someone is a scammer and be able to read the post (then if it's invalid they can see that for themselves).

Feel free to reply to this thread with your address publicly.

Let buyer/seller/mods have the address, fine.
But when it becomes public, that's my concern. There are idiots who will try and SWAT, pizza bomb, whatever it is to fuck with you, and it's not a fun thing to have happen. Will everyone try that? No. But it's definitely plausible with the MC-Market community.

Like I said, don't make the address public. I'd give my address to my friends, but to some random on MCM? No thanks. No one wants that.

Regarding the PayPal claim, only your name is given. Address is only shown if you pick an address when sending via G&S, and most of us (Atleast I do, won't claim all of us) pick the 'No address needed' option.

 

[Callam]

Feel free to reply to this thread with your address publicly.

Let buyer/seller/mods have the address, fine.
But when it becomes public, that's my concern. There are idiots who will try and SWAT, pizza bomb, whatever it is to fuck with you, and it's not a fun thing to have happen. Will everyone try that? No. But it's definitely plausible with the MC-Market community.

Like I said, don't make the address public. I'd give my address to my friends, but to some random on MCM? No thanks. No one wants that.

Regarding the PayPal claim, only your name is given. Address is only shown if you pick an address when sending via G&S, and most of us (Atleast I do, won't claim all of us) pick the 'No address needed' option.

Me posting my address publicly to this thread doesn't do anyone favours or somehow prove your point. I'm not a scammer and this isn't a scam report against me. I think instead of shielding scammers because "addresses may be posted" people should know who may be a scammer. I know I'd love to know if someone I'm dealing with scammed for $1.

Every payment I've ever received from anyone on MCM has had a fullname and address. You don't need to show someones address in your scam report and even if you do, it can just be removed after being reported. It's not a big deal. No one is going to randomly go through scam reports and swat, pizza bomb, or do anything else.

 

[Rouing]

No one is going to randomly go through scam reports and swat, pizza bomb, or do anything else.

Oh, so you speak for everyone now? You know how all the memebers of this forum will react? You know that people may not use that information to take revenge on someone?

Having this sort of information public allows people to Dox easier. This is just giving another Doxxing platform to those with malicious intent.

Censoring critical information can ruin a scam report. I've had death threats come over MC-Market and if my address was public, how would I know my safety isn't compromised, or for another matter, my families?

It is a big deal and trying to minimize the issue is either ignorance or arrogance.

 

[Callam]

Oh, so you speak for everyone now? You know how all the memebers of this forum will react? You know that people may not use that information to take revenge on someone?

Having this sort of information public allows people to Dox easier. This is just giving another Doxxing platform to those with malicious intent.

Censoring critical information can ruin a scam report. I've had death threats come over MC-Market and if my address was public, how would I know my safety isn't compromised, or for another matter, my families?

It is a big deal and trying to minimize the issue is either ignorance or arrogance.

So we should NOT let people know who has scammed. We should just let scammers 100% scam again because there's a small chance a 14 year old might send a death threat and have someones address.

When doing business online you shouldn't care less who has your fullname or address (as long as you're legit of course). When you register a business, your data is public and searchable. When you register a domain (WhoIs protection isn't supported on all TLDs), your data is public and searchable. When you send someone a payment on Paypal, your data is public and searchable.

I would rather not be scammed because I didn't know someone was a scammer because all of their scam reports were hidden from me because someone was scared that their full name or address would be public.

I'm surprised no one has just suggested making it a rule that full names and addresses shouldn't be in scam reports. You're all saying the same thing to me. Hide scammers because someones full name and/or address might be shown in a report. Just suggest that we SHOW who the scammers are but make a rule to not have any personal information in scam reports.

 

[Rouing]

So we should NOT let people know who has scammed. We should just let scammers 100% scam again because there's a small chance a 14 year old might send a death threat and have someones address.

When doing business online you shouldn't care less who has your fullname or address (as long as you're legit of course). When you register a business, your data is public and searchable. When you register a domain (WhoIs protection isn't supported on all TLDs), your data is public and searchable. When you send someone a payment on Paypal, your data is public and searchable.

I would rather not be scammed because I didn't know someone was a scammer because all of their scam reports were hidden from me because someone was scared that their full name or address would be public.

I'm surprised no one has just suggested making it a rule that full names and addresses shouldn't be in scam reports. You're all saying the same thing to me. Hide scammers because someones full name and/or address might be shown in a report. Just suggest that we SHOW who the scammers are but make a rule to not have any personal information in scam reports.

Your point is MOOT. I am NOT registering a business. I am a Private Trader on a forums of PRIVATE TRADERS whos information is given out IN CONFIDENCE.

PII may be VITAL to a scam report and this is why such information is culled before being made public. Posting names on a board without a full story will result in a bias and abuse of the Scam Report system against those who are valid PRIVATE TRADERS.

If you cannot take the risk of being scammed or fail to take the necessary precautions, dont trade.

 

[Callam]

Your point is MOOT. I am NOT registering a business. I am a Private Trader on a forums of PRIVATE TRADERS whos information is given out IN CONFIDENCE.

PII may be VITAL to a scam report and this is why such information is culled before being made public. Posting names on a board without a full story will result in a bias and abuse of the Scam Report system against those who are valid PRIVATE TRADERS.

If you cannot take the risk of being scammed or fail to take the necessary precautions, dont trade.

Lets hide the scammers so they can continue scamming. The point is very easy to understand. People need to see scam reports so they can make the important decision of whether or not they want to deal with someone. You're acting like this is a big deal but in reality, this is how every other marketplace forum I've been using since 2014 operates and it works fine. I can search someones name and see scam reports. I can then read it and decide if I don't want to deal with that person and be scammed.

Lets not hide the scammers lmfao.

 

[Rouing]

Lets hide the scammers so they can continue scamming. The point is very easy to understand. People need to see scam reports so they can make the important decision of whether or not they want to deal with someone. You're acting like this is a big deal but in reality, this is how every other marketplace forum I've been using since 2014 operates and it works fine. I can search someones name and see scam reports. I can then read it and decide if I don't want to deal with that person and be scammed.

Lets not hide the scammers lmfao.

Lets give out potential private information on someone who may not actually be a scammer. The point is very easy to understand. "PII" or "Personally Identifiable Information" is called "Personal" for a reason. Such information should be culled before making public to prevent databases such as "we leak info" from gathering information. Minimizing the issue is not going to help. Unless the ToS and Privacy Policy is changed and the entire Scam System is overhauled to allow for a new way to present PII in a private manner than is in lieu of "COPPA", "GDPR", and "DPA" along with other protections to prevent such information from falling into the hands of people who may use it for Doxxing purposes (You can gather a phone number from an address for example, now there is spam calls), the scam report system should remain the same. I agree that things need to move faster, but there is a ton at stake whether you are willing to see the issue fully or not.

Lets not give doxxers more ammunition.

 

[Jerry]

Lets give out potential private information on someone who may not actually be a scammer. The point is very easy to understand. "PII" or "Personally Identifiable Information" is called "Personal" for a reason. Such information should be culled before making public to prevent databases such as "we leak info" from gathering information. Minimizing the issue is not going to help. Unless the ToS and Privacy Policy is changed and the entire Scam System is overhauled to allow for a new way to present PII in a private manner than is in lieu of "COPPA", "GDPR", and "DPA" along with other protections to prevent such information from falling into the hands of people who may use it for Doxxing purposes (You can gather a phone number from an address for example, now there is spam calls), the scam report system should remain the same. I agree that things need to move faster, but there is a ton at stake whether you are willing to see the issue fully or not.

Lets not give doxxers more ammunition.

If you just don't use the site for business nobody will have a reason to open a scam report and you'll be safe.

 

[Callam]

Lets give out potential private information on someone who may not actually be a scammer. The point is very easy to understand. "PII" or "Personally Identifiable Information" is called "Personal" for a reason. Such information should be culled before making public to prevent databases such as "we leak info" from gathering information. Minimizing the issue is not going to help. Unless the ToS and Privacy Policy is changed and the entire Scam System is overhauled to allow for a new way to present PII in a private manner than is in lieu of "COPPA", "GDPR", and "DPA" along with other protections to prevent such information from falling into the hands of people who may use it for Doxxing purposes (You can gather a phone number from an address for example, now there is spam calls), the scam report system should remain the same. I agree that things need to move faster, but there is a ton at stake whether you are willing to see the issue fully or not.

Lets not give doxxers more ammunition.

"If you cannot take the risk of being scammed or fail to take the necessary precautions, dont trade." Reword that a little bit and then it will work in this case.

People have the right to know if someone has a scam report open against them. Are you saying that the other forums, I can list several, that are more successful than MCM are doing it wrong? Are you saying I shouldn't know someone just scammed for $200 when I'm about to sell them an item?