Make scam reports public

[MTG]

So this is getting out hand, been like this for 6 months, no thing is getting catched up, and since M6 resigned, It's pretty impossible to catch up right now, so I think all scam reports should be public [including new ones made] I know a lot of site that has their scam reports public and there are no problems.

TLDR: Just make current and new scam reports public.

If you disagree state why.

 

[Jerry]

The main issue for me is that if we unmoderate all the threads, we would need to unmoderate all replies in the section as well.
Otherwise it'll be a biased system where countless accusations with a one sided story and one side's evidence is presented, while the accused is unable to post their defense. Which is a horrible situation to be in.
Imagine having multiple threads accusing you of scamming, and the evidence looking so damning without your defense that you're being swarmed with threats and accusations by mobs and witch-hunters for the entire duration that they are up; unable to take it down.
It is naive to take lightly a situation where accusations are unlimited but defenses are invisible.

Nothing against you because you're one person thrown into an awful situation regarding the backlog of scam reports but you're unable to approve posts for sometimes days at a time and so one of the situations in which you're trying to avoid by not making all reports public is still happening but on a smaller, more scrutinized scale. With more reports open and available for viewing, fewer people will be able to look at each report because there will be countless more to look at and so instead of seeing just the 20-40 or whatever that are currently approved, they'll have 100-200 that they're able to instead look at. The views will be diluted and maybe that might have a different effect.

Thus far, that's the only point that's been made that would encourage me to disagree with this suggestion.

 

[gkidedabeast]

MC-Market can't even keep up with scam reports as it is. There is a 3 month wait to get a scam report even looked at.

 

[MTG]

The main issue for me is that if we unmoderate all the threads, we would need to unmoderate all replies in the section as well.
Otherwise it'll be a biased system where countless accusations with a one sided story and one side's evidence is presented, while the accused is unable to post their defense. Which is a horrible situation to be in.
Imagine having multiple threads accusing you of scamming, and the evidence looking so damning without your defense that you're being swarmed with threats and accusations by mobs and witch-hunters for the entire duration that they are up; unable to take it down.
It is naive to take lightly a situation where accusations are unlimited but defenses are invisible.

That's my main reason to keep threads private until a scam resolver is able to accept the thread and give both parties their time.

This is easily fixed by making a rule where [the accused member/the report/scam resolver] are only the one who are able to comment and if anyone else comments they would be warned, but maybe if someone has proof related to the situation, they are allowed to post, otherwise there is a punishment.

As others have suggested; in this situation, the best action is to leave negative reputation linking the scam report; and pay attention to the negative reputation that others have before dealing.

Not all users who got scammed will leave reputations and not all members will be able to leave reputations.


Also, I have seen someone comment about making some non-staff members able to approve these to check if they are legit or not, which may be a good or a bad idea, I am not sure, leave your input on that guys.

 

[Court]

While I do agree with this, I also partially agree with Justis R. Scam reports are a thing that bans users from the site because of scamming, but having them public can also warn people to possibly stay away from this user, which may ruin the reputation of this user if its a misunderstanding.

Justis states "I won't be able to keep up with all scam reports being active at once". <-- This issue will cause scam reports to take longer.
Those who agree state "If they aren't public, the scammer has 3 months to keep scamming BEFORE its even looked at" <-- This causes more scam reports opened on the same user, which also aren't getting dealt with.

The best way to possibly handle this is to keep using the same system, but put a badge on the user's profile saying "Scam report open (View Here)" which will show all the proof they need to trust the user or not. The other way, which may take a while to be put into effect, would be to simply add another scam resolver.

Scam reports shouldn't be opened to the public until moderated, chat-wise. Maybe allow people to VIEW it using the badge idea above, but allowing people to keep chatting on that report before it being moderated will cause scam reports to constantly be bumped, which makes Justis' job a lot harder.

 

[BOOP]

Scam reports should be public as soon as they go up.
As well, there should be a banner over the person the scam report is on saying "This user has an open Scam Report"

The 0.6% of skids that still dox doesn't matter if they post an address etc, it will happen so unlikely.
Any could go person to person scamming everyone until a scam report is posted 2 months later.

ffs no banner it's literally a copy of every other forum and it's way too much. Yes, there should be something on the person's profile, but not a banner.

 

[MTG]

Going strong with over 95 agrees and only 26 disagrees [two members who are banned for scamming agreed rofl]
Thanks a lot for everyone who agreed, I really hope we see more input espically from Mick or Justis R.

 

[Salien]

Why not make scam reports public and allow people to give opinions and make verdicts which you can choose to take into mind or not? This would allow you to both discover a valuable candidate and reach a resolution faster. If you ever wanted to find someone to recruit, without taking up too much of your time, this would be a great way, but it sounds like you don't want to and if I'm being completely honest, I feel like you're trying to delay the process of finding a new scam resolver and almost refusing to do so.

I wrote this on the thread about getting a new scam resolver when quoting Justis and felt I should post it here.

 

[Kelsey]

Well, it appears this suggestion is no longer needed. As Bucket and Justis approved so many reports and are still continuing. Don't you agree as well, MTG?

 

[Samuel]

Addresses are public info.

What's your address then?

 

[MTG]

Well, it appears this suggestion is no longer needed. As Bucket and Justis approved so many reports and are still continuing. Don't you agree as well, MTG?

For now, yes it is not needed, but I would still like to say but bucket's plan is very unrealistic and the way he is doing it is wrong [in my humble opinion] simply because his plan is to approve all scam reports but then the problem would come up as it would be very hard to keep track in everyone, but since that is the sole purpose of this suggestion, I have no problem.

I would say, I shouldn't close this suggestion as of right now, until a week or two and see how everything goes.

 

[MTG]

Your original idea was to allow the Scam Reports section to become a lawless section of our site where all posts and accusations go unmoderated

That is incorrect because my suggestion was to make reports public but not that people should be allowed to post or have permission to.

. This is what's happening currently with almost 200 tickets opened, but we're still moderating posts and making sure replies don't get out of hand just as it was before. I'm not sure how the idea you were proposing that you keep asking for agreements on suddenly turned into the wrong way of doing things.

As I said
'but since that is the sole purpose of this suggestion, I have no problem.'
I said I have no problem with all reports being approved, I was saying how it would be 'unrealistic [imo]' to keep track of replies for all of them.

 

[BOOP]

This is what's happening currently with almost 200 tickets opened,

Tickets or Scam reports

 

[Mick]

It's been almost a month now and I'm very happy to say that our scam report backlog has been down for a while now, we're back to normal thanks to the amazing work of Bucket and Justis.

It is important that all posts in scam reports are moderated and I apologise for the huge delay but we should be back to normal now for the foreseeable future.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion.