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We have shoutbox for this, which is a premium feature, which would be significantly less enticing if a discord was introduced.
Also, I prefer we keep as much of our community on-site as possible, wherever possible.
Such is the reason why we have private messages.
We'd have to look into many different identification confirmation options in order to set this up so that our official discord isn't full of people pretending to be someone else, or having no identity.
It's just not something MCM should look to for communication options.
We should instead consider expanding our internal communications if that becomes a necessity, which I don't believe it is right now, with what we have in place, though suggestions are always welcome.
Also, I prefer we keep as much of our community on-site as possible, wherever possible.
Such is the reason why we have private messages.
We'd have to look into many different identification confirmation options in order to set this up so that our official discord isn't full of people pretending to be someone else, or having no identity.
It's just not something MCM should look to for communication options.
We should instead consider expanding our internal communications if that becomes a necessity, which I don't believe it is right now, with what we have in place, though suggestions are always welcome.
But on Discord you can trade/sell/buy live on chat.
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I agree with Chris ^^ Anyone could use discord on a members name on mcm and scam or what not.
Should be fairly easy to setup a Discord bot/app that allow users to run a command to verify themselves, since we already have a profile field for Discord user.[DOUBLEPOST=1482770062][/DOUBLEPOST]Easy enough to pull the Discord from a user's profile, provided their profile, and 'identities' are viewable by public.
I don't have any experience with Discord bots/apps, but like I said it shouldn't be too hard to make (probably even easier if you have real access and not just spider access to MC-Market).
I don't have any experience with Discord bots/apps, but like I said it shouldn't be too hard to make (probably even easier if you have real access and not just spider access to MC-Market).
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I've done some looking into Discord, and even purchased an integration addon to try it out. (https://addons.velocityio.com/products/discord.1/)
Simply put, Discord's permission system and the integration I have (which is the only one on the market right now, and likely will be for a very long time) are lacking in the functionality we need. The largest problem I have right now is that users can delete their own private messages in it and it will look as if they were never there. The only features that Discord has is a way to chat with others, private messaging system, and voice-chatting. A group chat is already integrated to the site in the form of the Shoutbox, private messages are private messages and voice-chatting could easily be done with Teamspeak -- which offers significantly more control and the integration into xenForo is far more smooth.
One thing that I do think would be worthwhile to integrate is to make the private messaging on MC-Market far better. If we made messaging similar to how it is on Slack or Skype or Discord (where you simply press enter to send a message rather than pressing 'Send', for example) then I could see it being used far more for deals.
Positives that private messages have over slack/skype/discord/etc are the following:
- Prevents imitators: With deals done through PMs it would completely remove the possibility that the person you're talking to isn't the real person (this is a large problem with Skype)
- Add staff to your conversation: If someone does scam you, you may add a member of staff to the conversation where they can view everything and messages can't be tampered with/deleted. With our most recent update, anyone can add a member of staff, not just the person who created the conversation.
- Simple and already included in the site: With PMs you don't have to worry about people having your details to contact you, you can simply send them a PM and you'll be in contact with them without having to ask the shoutbox 'What's _______'s skype?' to talk to them.
- Organised: Having all deals done through PMs could very easily be more organised than Skype or Discord since all of your dealings on the site are in one place, and you don't have to search through several conversations with people to talk to them.
There's probably a few more, but I really do think that rather than implementing Discord as an official communication method we should fix what we already have: Private Messages.
I'm interested to hear your feedback on this and whether you think this is a valid point or I'm missing something here. What I'm most interested is what makes Discord worth having and what features does it give over Private messages or any other feature of the site?
Simply put, Discord's permission system and the integration I have (which is the only one on the market right now, and likely will be for a very long time) are lacking in the functionality we need. The largest problem I have right now is that users can delete their own private messages in it and it will look as if they were never there. The only features that Discord has is a way to chat with others, private messaging system, and voice-chatting. A group chat is already integrated to the site in the form of the Shoutbox, private messages are private messages and voice-chatting could easily be done with Teamspeak -- which offers significantly more control and the integration into xenForo is far more smooth.
One thing that I do think would be worthwhile to integrate is to make the private messaging on MC-Market far better. If we made messaging similar to how it is on Slack or Skype or Discord (where you simply press enter to send a message rather than pressing 'Send', for example) then I could see it being used far more for deals.
Positives that private messages have over slack/skype/discord/etc are the following:
- Prevents imitators: With deals done through PMs it would completely remove the possibility that the person you're talking to isn't the real person (this is a large problem with Skype)
- Add staff to your conversation: If someone does scam you, you may add a member of staff to the conversation where they can view everything and messages can't be tampered with/deleted. With our most recent update, anyone can add a member of staff, not just the person who created the conversation.
- Simple and already included in the site: With PMs you don't have to worry about people having your details to contact you, you can simply send them a PM and you'll be in contact with them without having to ask the shoutbox 'What's _______'s skype?' to talk to them.
- Organised: Having all deals done through PMs could very easily be more organised than Skype or Discord since all of your dealings on the site are in one place, and you don't have to search through several conversations with people to talk to them.
There's probably a few more, but I really do think that rather than implementing Discord as an official communication method we should fix what we already have: Private Messages.
I'm interested to hear your feedback on this and whether you think this is a valid point or I'm missing something here. What I'm most interested is what makes Discord worth having and what features does it give over Private messages or any other feature of the site?
Most users end up dealing on Skype anyways because it's just much more convenient than dealing over PM here.
Having a Discord server is like having a more functioning TeamSpeak / extended chatbox.
Moreover, the main reason people still use Skype is because everyone else is still using Skype.
The issue with Slack is that it's meant for teams, but Discord has servers as well as standalone private messaging.
But yeah the whole 'deleting PMs' would be quiet an issue, and personally I'm not sure how to combat that. Luckily messages can only be deleted, not edited.
Edit: It's also like having a chatbox with a history feature that anyone can search.
Having multiple channels would allow you to find users who are into the same market and would create a stronger community, rather than everyone having their own thread and getting mad when other people in the same market as them start posting in their thread.
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Messages can be deleted and edited, but when they are edited it shows a little (edited) thing, which could still cause problems with someone saying
"I'll pay you $10000" then editing it to "I'll pay you $1" and other stuff like that.
At first PMs still wouldn't be used much, but if we explain in an announcement why PMs should be used (or even only allow discussions in PMs to be reported for scamming, which certainly isn't ideal), then it could force activity within PMs if we really wanted to do that.
Simply adding back in Teamspeak would have the same functionality and greater control for staff, with us being able to easily set people to 'Premium' and 'Supreme' automatically, etc.
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The issue with TS was it's not really a messenger, it's just for VOIP conversations. Once you leave the server all your conversations are gone and there is no persistence.
With Discord there's a global persistence. As I said, like a chatbox but to provide for a larger community base.
There is no persistence with Discord is there? It's not like you can keep a record of your entire discussion in discord either.
What I'm suggesting isn't that we have people do deals through TeamSpeak or even send each other PMs on it, what I'm saying is that it works for people who want to 'make friends' and stuff like that. PMs do keep persistence, even when you log off you still keep all of your messages.
Thanks for your input of course
Yes, Discord is entirely persistent. It's exactly like Slack but with VOIP, and intended for servers instead of teams.
I feel doing deals on TS would be even worse than Discord, because as soon as you logout you have lost all logs which means in order to make a scam report you have to get a admin with TS log access to extract all the data.
But yeah, I agree with you that PMs are the best place to establish the official details of whatever you are dealing with.
I feel having a Slack-like interface to interact with others in would be better than TS, especially since not everyone wants to use VOIP, text is persistent, and it's more appropriate for using on your phone as well.
if you are bored just join this lol most mcm members are there we have fun n all
https://discord.gg/MhPfjhy
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