MCM Alternatives

[buildblox]

When you think about it,
MC-Market has a monopoly over minecraft marketplaces. (For anyone that thinks business wise)
They can do whatever they want as there is next to zero chance someone will ever compete on the same level as them.

These marketplaces are a fairly good thing otherwise MC-Market could do whatever they want and know that users can't go anywhere else.

Not necessarily. Alts (which aren't sold here, at least not directly ) have a very large marketplace behind them, regardless of how "sketchy" staff members think the community surrounding it is. It's still a marketplace, and if no one utilizes it, I see absolutely no reason as to why it shouldn't qualify (not directed at you per-say, just an overall statement).

 

[buildblox]

Yeah, that's true. Saying that, MCM is also very 'prestigious'

Can't necessarily argue there. The community is definitely older and better established.

 

[buildblox]

Still would be nice for a competitor to be large enough to be somewhat of a 'threat' to MC-Market though.
Would be better for the community.

Communities take a while to grow. I'm certain someone will eventually get there, but for the meantime, it's an unrealistic goal

 

[Satoshi]

I'm just downright pissed off by the number of users who think they can download a couple nulled addons and whack together a site. People just create competitors as a cash grab and don't realize that a site that's aimed in that direction will ultimately fail.

If it's not thought out, there's no reason why a site should be up in the first place. A true forum needs to be nurtured as a new community and has to ultimately be user-oriented. When you think you're the center of attention (as in doing it only for money and putting your users at risk with nulled software), you deserve to fucking fail.



There are literally so many I used to play a game called "How long do you think that competitor site will last?"
Needless to say, it was entertaining

You own a competitor site, don't you?

 

[buildblox]

You own a competitor site, don't you?

It's not particularly important in this conversation, but yes, I do.

 

[Satoshi]

Not necessarily. Alts (which aren't sold here, at least not directly ) have a very large marketplace behind them, regardless of how "sketchy" staff members think the community surrounding it is. It's still a marketplace, and if no one utilizes it, I see absolutely no reason as to why it shouldn't qualify (not directed at you per-say, just an overall statement).

Alt market = black market
black market = illegal

 

[buildblox]

Alt market = black market
black market = illegal

How so? If we're talking about it being against Mojang's TOS, I hope you do realize that the sale of all accounts, not just alts, are in your words "black market"

 

[Satoshi]

How so? If we're talking about it being against Mojang's TOS, I hope you do realize that the sale of all accounts, not just alts, are in your words "black market"

There is no such thing in Mojang's TOS.

 

[buildblox]

There is no such thing in Mojang's TOS.

Then I'm absolutely confused as to what you're referring to. This is clearly getting nowhere.

 

[Doge]

I think it's funny how they all lack originality. They're all essentially low quality MCM copies with features added which we didn't want here + our banned scammers. Some go as far as to copy the subforum layouts, the rules format, how mc accounts are sold etc. And usually they'll change a few tiny things but it's still obvious they copied everything.

Most are like this:

• Have 10 different user tags which look very cluttery and unprofessional.

• Sell way too many flashy name colors with silly names including rainbow as a cash grab.
• Allow users to sell things they don't own like access to other people's mc accounts which result in a bunch of threads like "xALTS - CHEAPEST - BEST - ONLY $0.02"
• Make their slogan "The x Minecraft Marketplace" because ours is that but with #1
• Copy our exact subforum and rules layouts as well as templates for giveaways etc.
• Copy the way MC accounts are sold here which was created by BeBosny and I.
• Rename "Scam Reports" to something else and rename Premium/Supreme to something that sounds awful all while copying the format we use.
• Consist of our banned users and people who are only there to sell stolen items or access to other peoples accounts.

And as a result of that you get a very low quality community and forum which is bound to shut down in a few months. Some last longer, but they all either lose all active users or get shut down completely. The scammers are like a nomadic tribe that heads to whatever next competitor pops up and the cycle repeats.

 

[buildblox]

I think it's funny how they all lack originality. They're all essentially low quality MCM copies with features added which we didn't want here + our banned scammers. Some go as far as to copy the subforum layouts, the rules format, how mc accounts are sold etc. And usually they'll change a few tiny things but it's still obvious they copied everything.

Most are like this:

• Have 10 different user tags which look very cluttery and unprofessional.

• Sell way too many flashy name colors with silly names including rainbow as a cash grab.
• Allow users to sell things they don't own like access to other people's mc accounts which result in a bunch of threads like "xALTS - CHEAPEST - BEST - ONLY $0.02"
• Make their slogan "The x Minecraft Marketplace" because ours is that but with #1
• Copy our exact subforum and rules layouts as well as templates for giveaways etc.
• Copy the way MC accounts are sold here which was created by BeBosny and I.
• Rename "Scam Reports" to something else and rename Premium/Supreme to something that sounds awful all while copying the format we use.
• Consist of our banned users and people who are only there to sell stolen items or access to other peoples accounts.

And as a result of that you get a very low quality community and forum which is bound to shut down in a few months. Some last longer, but they all either lose all active users or get shut down completely. The scammers are like a nomadic tribe that heads to whatever next competitor pops up and the cycle repeats.

I think it's tacky on your part to just sit here and gripe about all the things competitor sites just happen to do that gives you an ulcer. Instead, why not try to identify why users chose to make new sites in the first place? You don't see banned users from Spigot making new administration forums. Why associate the same ideology when it definitely isn't the case?

Just because competitor sites have scammers who migrate from MCM doesn't necessarily make them a festering boil of scams. You'd be surprised at how many unique individuals develop their shops on other sites per personal preference. I can name over a dozen users here who migrated from MCSell, not the other way around.

• Have 10 different user tags which look very cluttery and unprofessional.

I do sincerely apologize for triggering your OCD.

• Sell way too many flashy name colors with silly names including rainbow as a cash grab.

And since when are multi-colored and flashy names as evil as you say there are? Again, I do apologize for triggering your ever-so-sensitive OCD. (Also, consider the fact that most sites sell colors for less than MCM)

• Make their slogan "The x Minecraft Marketplace" because ours is that but with #1.

Fair enough, though I'd love to hear your suggestions about alternative slogans.

• Copy our exact subforum and rules layouts as well as templates for giveaways etc.

It's arguable that both are fluid. Some can say this forum has replicated certain parts of Spigot in its subforum layout:

As for the rules, it's expected to be so when similar functionalities like a shoutbox and resource manager are there.

• Copy the way MC accounts are sold here which was created by BeBosny and I.

AssocationMC is a global tool for everyone to use. You can't shun people for using an add-on that's been made publicly available.

• Rename "Scam Reports" to something else and rename Premium/Supreme to something that sounds awful all while copying the format we use.

What's the alternative? Should we remove scam reports and just get rid of ranks? That's not exactly feasible, as we then both allow scammers to fester and our minute income stream is cut. Sounds a bit irrational

• Consist of our banned users and people who are only there to sell stolen items or access to other peoples accounts.

I think it's quite obvious there will be banned users, though again, the overall community is different. These sites aren't entirely made up of banned members, nor are they run by banned members. And there you go on about "stolen items" again

• Allow users to sell things they don't own like access to other people's mc accounts

Mate, are we really going to venture off there? This community is nowhere near a squeaky-clean example of selling your own accounts. Believe me, just because you don't allow the sale of NFAs/SFAs doesn't give you a pass.

I appreciate your very opinionated and evidently personal response to the thread. Apologies to those whom I may have offended when mentioning OCD, as I understand it's a serious disorder that shouldn't be laughed at.

I'm also going to accept that regardless of what I say, I'm not going to win this argument as you're the moderator and that I accept MCM is the bigger man here. It's illogical to assume a competitor site can overshadow a site like MCM that's been established for so long, but when you start getting defensive, it makes it seem as if you're actually afraid of something.

 

[Doge]

I think it's tacky on your part to just sit here and gripe about all the things competitor sites just happen to do that gives you an ulcer. Instead, why not try to identify why users chose to make new sites in the first place? You don't see banned users from Spigot making new administration forums. Why associate the same ideology when it definitely isn't the case?

We already know. Scammers need new places to go when they are banned, as well as people who want to sell items which are not allowed here.

I do sincerely apologize for triggering your OCD.

And since when are multi-colored and flashy names as evil as you say there are? Again, I do apologize for triggering your ever-so-sensitive OCD. (Also, consider the fact that most sites sell colors for less than MCM)

I was talking about competitors in general as that's what they typically do. But I'm glad you recognize that your site matches my "generic competitor" description.

AssocationMC is a global tool for everyone to use. You can't shun people for using an add-on that's been made publicly available.

For this one I'll use what you did as an example because mcm copies like to copy our format but they all do it differently.

An addon? That alone would be no problem. But that's not what I was referring to. It was that combined with a near EXACT template we have (few words edited), then the EXACT same sections but with a few added, then the "scam accounts" thread which originated from here was stickied. (which I find funny because it's user-made and unofficial, meaning it's all by word of mouth, most of the time without proof)

All this combined is a blatant copy of the system BeBosny and I made. Previously, anybody could freely post a thread. The system we made included use of the addon rather than Mclaim (old site we had for this) and the template which we also made. The migration date was because of the whole "wait 1 month before selling" thing I stated in my info thread after the whole account locking incident of Feb 2016.

but when you start getting defensive, it makes it seem as if you're actually afraid of something.

Don't flatter yourself too much there. The topic was about competitors, so I listed some things that lousy mcm copies do. There was no "getting defensive", if anything that's what you were doing because you thought I was talking about your site specifically.

 

[buildblox]

We already know. Scammers need new places to go when they are banned, as well as people who want to sell items which are not allowed here.



I was talking about competitors in general as that's what they typically do. But I'm glad you recognize that your site matches my "generic competitor" description.



For this one I'll use what you did as an example because mcm copies like to copy our format but they all do it differently.

An addon? That alone would be no problem. But that's not what I was referring to. It was that combined with a near EXACT template we have (few words edited), then the EXACT same sections but with a few added, then the "scam accounts" thread which originated from here was stickied. (which I find funny because it's user-made and unofficial, meaning it's all by word of mouth, most of the time without proof)

All this combined is a blatant copy of the system BeBosny and I made. Previously, anybody could freely post a thread. The system we made included use of the addon rather than Mclaim (old site we had for this) and the template which we also made. The migration date was because of the whole "wait 1 month before selling" thing I stated in my info thread after the whole account locking incident of Feb 2016.



Don't flatter yourself too much there. The topic was about competitors, so I listed some things that lousy mcm copies do. There was no "getting defensive", if anything that's what you were doing because you thought I was talking about your site specifically.

It was pretty evident you were targeting me, no other competitor site permits joinable user groups or renamed their scam reports to something else. Not that I care, but I think that gives me the right to defend those specific features.

And fair enough, I misunderstood what you were saying about the accounting system. It's just a template one can utilize until a more unique system comes into play, as it basically covers everything needed to be stated on a sale thread.

Also, you do realize the scam account list isn't native to MCM, correct? While Zap may have started it, it's maintained by multiple individuals in their own way. Every account list is different, and the fact that a staff member on our site is maintaining his own variation of the list is enough grounds to make it official.

 

[Mick]

No point of leaving this thread open really, it's just creating stupid debates all with the same argument of: "Yeah, but MCM copied someone else too so it's okay!".

Locked.