Put accounts back

[CakeSG]

I think we should put the account section back. Its important and we STILL do trades over skype. I dont think why we should discourage it. Every account seller/buyer is still working. Just not on McM. We can make MCM much better.

As Ajdin said he would listen to the community, lets gather support for this!

 

[Renovix]

Posts may not have decreased by a huge amount since accounts were banned from the website, but in my eyes sales have certainly suffered for it. I have made a number of lengthy posts on this topic and in my eyes, economically speaking, it is clear that selling accounts on this forum was something very important to the overall flow of cash here. It was something that brought in a lot of new blood and made people willing to spend money on other services on the site, or willing to invest their money into the site itself. Many people came here to sell accounts and stuck around for other reasons. Hell, the only reason Monty, I, and even members of staff like Doge are here are entirely because of the accounts, as far as I am aware. So many people came here for accounts and to just remove them to protect people from some imaginary Mojang boogeyman is completely nonsensical. Is Mojang even still going around locking accounts? Is that still an issue? There's many workarounds around having your shit locked by Mojang, and most people agree that Mojang *never* used MCM posts as a basis to lock people's accounts.

The people on this site are generally morons and the only people that get scammed are the biggest morons of all. People will always be fucking stupid and will always do stupid things and taking away the rights of everyone else because of these morons is completely nonsensical to me. Why do we deserve to suffer and lose business just because of a few crybaby idiots who don't know how to vet somebody properly or make a deal that doesn't end in them being scammed? I seriously do not see the issue with simply forbidding accounts to be dealt with when it comes to scam reports. That is currently the status quo here. If somebody came here with a scam report on somebody stealing an account from them, you'd tell them to fuck right off with that report. What's the difference? Just put a big fat bright red disclaimer at the top of the accounts section and a reminder in the scam reports section and call it a day. If people want to risk buying accounts knowing they are at risk of being scammed and not being able to do a report about it, why not let them? Why does staff here feel the need to constantly hold everyone's goddamn hand? Just let this be a free market.

The day Mojang themselves pop their head into this site and say that they're going to shut it down if accounts are sold here is the day I'll agree with accounts not being sold. Until that day, there's zero reason to not allow it.

The people supporting account sales being restricted here are either total morons who don't understand basic economical theories or are people who do zero business here. If you oppose there being a base flow of cash that allows entry-level members of the forum to make a quick buck which they can then spend on your services, then you are an idiot, plain and simple.

And the morality argument has no place here whatsoever. Morality does not factor into business.

I am very, very disappointed in you BeBosny because part of the entire reason Monty and I have been so supportive of you was under the understanding that you were going to allow account sales. If you don't, you're no better an administrator than Mick and you're going to let this forum die out for the same moronic reasons.

I've talked to staff who will push for the re-addition of account sales. I've heard that MarcIRL talked to the people at Mojang who were doing this and found out that nothing really could be done other than countless lockings. There are numerous ways for MCM to continue selling accounts without them having a risk of being locked - of course this is risky but not as much as it is now even though MCM doesn't have account sales anymore. To prevent people from getting too mad over the loss of a bought account, make sure the site takes precautions to handle such situations. Also up the security on that section of the site let the account names not be shown anywhere other than a PM. Yes, I am suggesting that people selling accounts don't show the names until PM'ed. There would be so many more PMs for those people (notice that the bidding would still go on on the thread) but still, if they correlate their name to their skin, a visual hint may be enough THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION. My little birdies also tell me that Mojang never even locked accounts because of MCM in the first place. Oh yes, Marc was a member.... LETS ALL BLAME HIM! I bet you the Minecraft Realms Content Manager doesn't give a single shit about our breaking of his holy EULA. Can I also state that there are more sections and sales on this forum that break the EULAs of Mojang/Minecraft as well as other gaming platforms or games. I assure you, the majority of people who came to this forum in its great times were looking for a place where everyone wanted to sell and buy, WHO CARES if it is illegal. If you want to make this forum 100% legal, remove every section except General Discussion and Announcements.

Nara is correct in basically 100% of her post on this thread, and I believe with BeBosny here he could fix up MCM - if he just heeds our advice. BeBosny, the community is full of idiots for the most part, but there is 1% of us who actually give a fuck how MCM turns out and want to help bring it back up to its standards.

Sorry for the profanity, I was just expressing my right to Freedom of Speech and got a bit emotional (No warning or I am taking to the supreme court for not allowing me to speak freely jk jk jk.)

 

[Doge]

I've been doing some tests with accounts to see how the locking system works and I must agree that there's an issue with people claiming that their account got locked when they TID'd it instead, but there's a way to avoid this issue.

The system was implemented to stop people's accounts from getting stolen and relies completely on migration information. If 5 or more accounts get migrated on the same IP within 24 hours, they all get locked and this is what it goes by (though to be 100% safe, only 1 is recommended). The huge account purge that happened late February was this system taking place and locking all the bulk-migrated accounts.

So my proposal is to allow accounts only if the date on the Mojang profile is at least one month old. If it didn't get locked by then, it has successfully passed the system and is unlikely to be locked. Plus, many people have accounts that were bought already migrated from minecraft.net and won't get locked by the system. Also for scam reports, they only should be valid if the buyer has proof that the seller is responsible, which AFAIK was how it went when accounts were allowed.

 

[Cooltime2]

Posts may not have decreased by a huge amount since accounts were banned from the website, but in my eyes sales have certainly suffered for it. I have made a number of lengthy posts on this topic and in my eyes, economically speaking, it is clear that selling accounts on this forum was something very important to the overall flow of cash here. It was something that brought in a lot of new blood and made people willing to spend money on other services on the site, or willing to invest their money into the site itself. Many people came here to sell accounts and stuck around for other reasons. Hell, the only reason Monty, I, and even members of staff like Doge are here are entirely because of the accounts, as far as I am aware. So many people came here for accounts and to just remove them to protect people from some imaginary Mojang boogeyman is completely nonsensical. Is Mojang even still going around locking accounts? Is that still an issue? There's many workarounds around having your shit locked by Mojang, and most people agree that Mojang *never* used MCM posts as a basis to lock people's accounts.

The people on this site are generally morons and the only people that get scammed are the biggest morons of all. People will always be fucking stupid and will always do stupid things and taking away the rights of everyone else because of these morons is completely nonsensical to me. Why do we deserve to suffer and lose business just because of a few crybaby idiots who don't know how to vet somebody properly or make a deal that doesn't end in them being scammed? I seriously do not see the issue with simply forbidding accounts to be dealt with when it comes to scam reports. That is currently the status quo here. If somebody came here with a scam report on somebody stealing an account from them, you'd tell them to fuck right off with that report. What's the difference? Just put a big fat bright red disclaimer at the top of the accounts section and a reminder in the scam reports section and call it a day. If people want to risk buying accounts knowing they are at risk of being scammed and not being able to do a report about it, why not let them? Why does staff here feel the need to constantly hold everyone's goddamn hand? Just let this be a free market.

The day Mojang themselves pop their head into this site and say that they're going to shut it down if accounts are sold here is the day I'll agree with accounts not being sold. Until that day, there's zero reason to not allow it.

The people supporting account sales being restricted here are either total morons who don't understand basic economical theories or are people who do zero business here. If you oppose there being a base flow of cash that allows entry-level members of the forum to make a quick buck which they can then spend on your services, then you are an idiot, plain and simple.

And the morality argument has no place here whatsoever. Morality does not factor into business.

I am very, very disappointed in you BeBosny because part of the entire reason Monty and I have been so supportive of you was under the understanding that you were going to allow account sales. If you don't, you're no better an administrator than Mick and you're going to let this forum die out for the same moronic reasons.

Then you and the rest of mcm come up a solution then for the account selling. BeBosny is trying to come up a good way to allow account selling. He didn't say anything about this suggestion getting refused at all. He just simply stated that there isn't a good solution to bring back accounts at this point. Recently I saw the amount of people on mcm rise up a bit after BeBosny's ownership takeover. We cannot restore accounts back to its former glory. It is impossible at this current time. There have to be limitations with the account selling no matter what solution. Mojang will always find a way to outsmart us with accounts nara. It is simply how it is for accounts. So here is my ideas of account selling being reform a bit.

First, there should be a warning about account selling. This warning should say about accounts are risky and you may get your account locked no matter what. If you make the account purchase and the account get locked let say 30 days after the purchase, you may lose that account. If the account get locked within 30 days of the purchase, the person can file an account report. The person who sold the account can only refund half of his money that is it. It might vary between people but it is at least help the buyers and sellers in case of the accounts being locked right away.

Second, there should be a separate section dedicated for scam reports of the accounts being locked. Now you thinking yea this is pretty ridiculous. The difference is that the accounts scam report takes longer because it is pretty straight forward if the account get locked. If the seller fails to return half of the money, then he will get ban from that section and can't sell the accounts there also suspension + warning points + a devouch from the resolver.

Third, There should be moderation queue. This means that the threads need to get approve before posting. Basically, they need to verify if you do have the account or not.

Final, there should be guidelines or thread format. You know with scam reports and support request that there is a thread format. There should be a thread format that you fill out the information about the account you have and posted proof of the account. The thread format will auto private some information. This might help to prevent scammers too because they need to upload the proof.

Overall, yes I know this is a lot work for you Ajdin, but if these suggestions get implemented correctly, there should be no problems with account selling or a decrease of scammers on accounts. Now that is how you come up a solution for the problem. Nara and the rest of mcm at least come up solutions to solve the problem at least if you all want account selling coming back. Don't complain about not being like the old times of mcm. It is time to adapt and accept some changes to account selling once for all for this issue.

 

[mattypoo]

Sorry if I missed it, there were so many high quality, long, descriptive posts I couldn't read them all. (not sarcasm)
We shouldn't be allowed to sell accounts that were just unmigrateds with a name change because
1. There is and always was a rule that says we can't sell anything we don't own. Unmigrateds were hacked, we don't own them.
2. Locking! Nobody likes getting a super OG and having it locked the next day.
3. It would discourage low quality OGs. Really! How many times have you seen this? "Selling SUPER OG!!!!" and the account is 'xXPVPL0rDXx'? People wouldn't spend $10 on a gift code or $30 if you are a good boy for something that they are only guessing about.

I know most people won't like my idea, and I will log on tomorrow and have a million disagrees and no agrees, but the points go from the most important to the least. 1. Rule breaking (MCM account banned; no coming back). 2. Account loss (Spend a 80 cents on another unmigrated and you'll be fine). 3. Annoying (It doesn't hurt to have a few noobs. We were all noobs at one stage, and you know what? I still am ).

 

[Derrian]

We need this back so badly, it was one of the biggest chunks of MC-Market to some, let's face it, most of us are selling on different forums but the truth is most of us want to sell here our home. I really hope Ajdin considers this as I know according to most of these posts, we want accounts back badly.

 

[juice.]

So, is this going to happen? Many people want this back and if you're careful enough, you shouldn't get your account locked.

 

[Overlord]

I'd say you should create a system where account details are entered into the system and verified automatically (to make sure the account details are legitimate), then a sale post is created. Once bought, the user sends the money and the payment callback notifies this new system, the system automatically changes the account information, email, etc. and gives this info to the buyer.

It's pretty much scam proof and it can't be exploited. MCM doesn't even need to deal with the payment itself, the payment goes directly to the seller reducing any liability there, also. You can't scam faster than an IPN script, as well. The only problem would be if a user used the transaction ID to change the details afterwards, but other than that, it's a pretty safe system. You can't verify a TID automatically, unfortunately.

 

[Overlord]

The problem is that the Mojang is blocking the ip that makes requests after some fails. Also some people can use this as free alt checker.

You kidding me? lol... The latter isn't really a problem. There are more efficient ways to check alt accounts, this won't be able to mass add accounts and it'd be a pretty slow process. You could probably limit it to upgraded MCM accounts too, and that way it reduces abuse and the problem with it being used as a free alt checker (someone won't risk their account to check a few alts).

The part about the IP being banned after failed requests... That's a problem. You sure this is confirmed?

What about if it uses API functionality and redirects to fill out the login info on the client's web browser. False logins will just ban their IP from Mojang's servers.

 

[Ajdin]

After a lot of thinking, brainstorming and planning. We've decided that we will add accounts back. This has been a result of the positive community input and a final poll within the staff team. We will do whatever it takes to make sure account dealing is done in a safe way.

Doge will be in charge of scam reports related to accounts.
All warnings given for selling accounts will remain.

Account selling is still against the rules so please wait before making any account selling posts. An official announcement will be made once we're ready.

Please disregard my previous posts in this thread. Not everything in them is correct at this point.

 

[thebaum64]

Cheers