Re-Allow Account Sales

[Jimmy]

Hello. Before going on a rant, here's why I'm suggesting we re-allow account sales.

1. Obviously, the OG market is still alive. Most people are still doing account deals through skype, and it would continue the exchange of account on here.
2. It's possible to put a large yellow banner (similar to investments) stating there is a risk of the account being locked by Mojang, that the sale of accounts violates the TOS, and that the products are not guaranteed.
3. Allow the sale of regular accounts (migrated): I myself have many alt accounts, that I normally sell outside of MCM, and it would be nice to have a section for those. This section could even say that scam reports are not allowed.

 

[JJDAHM]

Considering Mick is in Australia, the DMCA does not apply.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_reg/cr1969242/sch10.html
But that's where you're totally wrong. And considering the server is hosted in the US, that would not help.

Oh, yeah. Australia abides by the same DMCA terms as the US does. It's been this way for over 10 years. http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2004/08/03/australia_welcomes_american_dmca

 

[Jimmy]

1. Of course it is. Nobody ever said it died.
2. But then what if Mojang decided to, I don't know, send a DMCA complaint to Mick requesting the takedown of the site for numerous EULA violations? This isn't just about the site's users - it's about the site itself.
3. Still breaks the TOS/EULA. Still would be locked.

By just willingly facilitating the sale of accounts the site as a whole would go against Mojang's policies. As especially since they've gone to the trouble of hiring an "Enforcement Team", whom now work full-time to find and take down services which violate these policies, it just wouldn't be worth the risk.

MCM doesn't have to follow Mojang's quite frivolous policy. MCM is not in violation of any law by allowing the sales.[DOUBLEPOST=1457974116][/DOUBLEPOST]

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_reg/cr1969242/sch10.html
But that's where you're totally wrong. And considering the server is hosted in the US, that would not help.

Oh, yeah. Australia abides by the same DMCA terms as the US does. It's been this way for over 10 years. http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2004/08/03/australia_welcomes_american_dmca

Even if that's the case, there's no copyright against selling accounts.

 

[Rypeo]

Just listen to the community for once MCM.

Someone finally said it. Thank you.

 

[JJDAHM]

MCM doesn't have to follow Mojang's quite frivolous policy. MCM is not in violation of any law by allowing the sales.[DOUBLEPOST=1457974116][/DOUBLEPOST]
Even if that's the case, there's no copyright against selling accounts.

But they can file a lawsuit and win VERY easily. This forum is considered a "Black Market".
"A black market, underground economy, or shadow economy is a market characterized by some form of noncompliant behavior with an institutional set of rules."
A good analogy would be me reselling a plugin I bought on spigot.

 

[Stratos]

Why not just make some sort of subforum for selling accounts that isn't available to everyone? If you have people that you both trust and are willing to do it, you could make an approval-only subforum for the dealing of accounts. Alternatively, make an upgraded-member only subforum for them. Having an approval-only means that there will be far fewer scams, and would be ideal, but finding a few unbiased people willing to spend the time approving people every couple days and actively moderating it might be difficult. Having an upgraded-only still hides it from the public, and takes a lot less work, but it won't prevent scams in the same way.

The point is make a private subforum so that mojang can't lurk and ban accounts. Fixes a big problem. Will also reduce scams. And I'm sorry, but scammers are a problem in EVERY marketplace, you can't prevent that. Put a big ugly banner at the top warning people if you want, but ultimately its the risk of dealing in an online marketplace that we can CHOOSE to make as members.

Accounts are the only reason I registered on this forum, and the only thing that will make me stay. I'm sure this applies to a ton of other members as well. If Mojang does contact Mick with a DMCA or anything similar, then remove the section, and nobody will be mad because you actually have a good reason! Otherwise, its fucking stupid and will kill a lot of forum activity. But as far as I know there is nothing illegal about facilitating the sales of minecraft accounts, lol.

 

[E_Hos]

I totally agree,
let's make mcm (more) illegal again!

 

[Justis]

Just listen to the community for once MCM.

Someone finally said it. Thank you.

Listening to the community is what got them removed in the first place. Just a few weeks ago. It was a landslide vote.
Are we supposed to drastically change the site every time someone makes a suggestion thread and gets a bunch of agrees?
Jesus Christ, nobody is ever happy.

I don't want it back.
And not just because of Mojang locking every account that shows even the slightest hint of having broken their EULA...
On top of it being unstable, and not wanting to host unstable business on our site..

Accounts are mojang's property, and they obviously care about their accounts being jacked and traded around like cookies.
They made an EULA to protect themselves from this activity.
They hired staff to enforce it.
It's mojang's game, and they have every right to be locking accounts.
If you ever become a content creator and provider like mojang, you'll expect the same respect.
They care.
You have no right.

It's also immoral to the people who bought the game..
The account trading business...
Nearly every OG seller got their OGs by getting an unmigrated minecraft account that was stolen from someone else, and sniping an name with it. Or buying an account from someone else who did just that.
Event accounts that weren't stolen from the original owner, they'll get their names from an account that was stolen, and had it's name changed. The whole business is messed up.
As much as all the account sellers out there want to convince you, and themselves, that their accounts are cruelty free... There are very very few.

 

[Uploader]

Listening to the community is what got them removed in the first place. Just a few weeks ago. It was a landslide vote.
Are we supposed to drastically change the site every time someone makes a suggestion thread and gets a bunch of agrees?
Jesus Christ, nobody is ever happy.

I don't want it back.
And not just because of Mojang locking every account that shows even the slightest hint of having broken their EULA...
On top of it being unstable, and not wanting to host unstable business on our site..

Accounts are mojang's property, and they obviously care about their accounts being jacked and traded around like cookies.
They made an EULA to protect themselves from this activity.
They hired staff to enforce it.
It's mojang's game, and they have every right to be locking accounts.
If you ever become a content creator and provider like mojang, you'll expect the same respect.
They care.
You have no right.

It's also immoral to the people who bought the game..
The account trading business...
Nearly every OG seller got their OGs by getting an unmigrated minecraft account that was stolen from someone else, and sniping an name with it. Or buying an account from someone else who did just that.
Event accounts that weren't stolen from the original owner, they'll get their names from an account that was stolen, and had it's name changed. The whole business is messed up.
As much as all the account sellers out there want to convince you, and themselves, that their accounts are cruelty free... There are very very few.

Sorry, did you say something?

 

[Doge]

Listening to the community is what got them removed in the first place. Just a few weeks ago. It was a landslide vote.
Are we supposed to drastically change the site every time someone makes a suggestion thread and gets a bunch of agrees?
Jesus Christ, nobody is ever happy.

That's because of the misconception that all accounts are getting locked. It's actually a security update by Mojang aimed to stop accounts from getting stolen. Pretty much every account that originated from an account migrated in bulk on a single IP was locked. Accounts purchased already migrated weren't. I should also add that the vast majority of people who wanted to get them removed had little to no knowledge or experience in selling OGs and were in no position to decide whether such a large part of this community gets removed or not.

If a bunch of people who didn't sell maps/plugins said "let's ban the selling of maps because they can be world downloaded" or "let's ban the selling of plugins because they can be decompiled/stolen and sold" and you were selling them, you'd defend them and list the many positives of selling them and how scams can be avoided which is exactly what I do but for accounts.

I don't want it back.
And not just because of Mojang locking every account that shows even the slightest hint of having broken their EULA...
On top of it being unstable, and not wanting to host unstable business on our site..

Incorrect. There's an automated system that locks likely stolen accounts as I've described earlier. Also, selling accounts is perfectly stable if done right. If the account was purchased already migrated or wasn't migrated in bulk on the same IP, it won't get locked.

Accounts are mojang's property, and they obviously care about their accounts being jacked and traded around like cookies.
They made an EULA to protect themselves from this activity.
They hired staff to enforce it.
It's mojang's game, and they have every right to be locking accounts.
If you ever become a content creator and provider like mojang, you'll expect the same respect.
They care.
You have no right.

Which is why they created the automated system. They're also planning to deactivate unmigrated accounts soon which can be found by logging into minecraft.net with one. This was intended for stolen accounts and not for account selling itself I'll repeat again. If an account that didn't trigger the automated system got sold, it wouldn't get locked.

It's also immoral to the people who bought the game..
The account trading business...
Nearly every OG seller got their OGs by getting an unmigrated minecraft account that was stolen from someone else, and sniping an name with it. Or buying an account from someone else who did just that.
Event accounts that weren't stolen from the original owner, they'll get their names from an account that was stolen, and had it's name changed. The whole business is messed up.
As much as all the account sellers out there want to convince you, and themselves, that their accounts are cruelty free... There are very very few.

Those accounts - the likely stolen ones that triggered the system are locked or soon will be. The market is changing and people are now using smarter ways like redeeming giftcodes or buying an account that came migrated already to use.