Remove entire reputation system

[Matt D]

Hi MC-Market,

I've been on this market almost since it began back in 2014 and this entire site has changed. It's no longer an opportunity to find quality work as the quality services are hidden inbetween these "highly reputable" community members. I used to be a really active user as I could find people that wont scam me out of every flipping dollar I own, now people are worried to use their site as what would be a "reputable" user is now just everyone that begs their staff on their server, every time they talk in discord/skype. It's worthless. Now let me get a couple examples,

- http://prntscr.com/fp2pd2
- http://prntscr.com/fp2pgs

^ How is that even reputation, that's just telling people the kind of person he is, it is completely irrelevant to whether he can provide a good service. Secondly, anyone that has more than 50 positive reputations is clearly begging that even dollar that leaves their paypal or enters, they must be given a reputation, just as a word of warning, reputation points aren't candies in a toffee box, you have to at least do something for them.

I had a small opportunity to discuss with Mick what his opinions were of the current system and here is the chat log. He understands that it needs changing.

- http://prntscr.com/fp2rwo

My overall judgement is.

- Scrap it

or

- Enforce new guidelines & make it a rule not to beg for vouches/reputations.

Cheers.

(I'm aware its already been posted before, don't remind me, its important since Mick has agreed that the system is poor too).

 

[Ivain]

Honestly, 80% of problems people have with the reputation system stem from allowing non-trade rep. I can understand it's difficult to tell the difference between a legit and a fake deal, but at least it forces salty neg-reppers to cool down long enough to invent a fake deal to neg-rep on. This may discourage a percentage, making it easier to appeal rep.

 

[Picturesque]

i hate the fact that a user decided to add a negetive rep because he failed to scam me which makes me rethink the whole reputation system

 

[Projecki]

I agree that rep should be trade only, not just "seems chill"

 

[Samuel]

- Scrap it

That would be silly considering that's one of the key things people use to judge someone before making a deal.

- Enforce new guidelines & make it a rule not to beg for vouches/reputations.

Suggest the guidelines. There are rules not to beg for vouches/rep in a way where the other person feels pressured into giving a particular opinion of you (either positive or negative).

 

[Ivain]

i hate the fact that a user decided to add a negetive rep because he failed to scam me which makes me rethink the whole reputation system

So report it for being false? explain the entire situation in the report, and it will likely be removed. Also, if he attempted to scam you, you can still open a scam report if you have any sort of proof

 

[Ghast]

Reputation system is very various. It is very useful as it can decide very easily who is going first on a deal. Reputation used to be hard to acquire and took weeks for finding good deals. As for now I agree that it is used as a currency or for fun. I feel I cannot choose between agree and disagree because if you remove the whole reputation system a lot more scams will occure because of a trust issue, and deciding who would go first and knowing if the person is reputable. As a matter of statistics, people with more than 10 positive reputation with minimum 90% positive tend to scam less than newbies. I think rules for reputation should be more strict with highter consequences. Vouch copy's are the problem to a big amount of reputation. I believe vouch copy's should be only vouching on a profile and not also adding reputation.

 

[Ivain]

What I suggest is that instead of saying "kick it all out" we should try to fix the parts that are broken.


It's a worrying trend I've been seeing all over the world. As soon as something isn't working properly, it must be destroyed or removed entirely, instead of having people try to fix what is broken. It's the whole Brexit deal, it's how the current US government is dealing with the former healthcare plan, as well as the net neutrality. And people are backing them. Instead of fixing what is broken, they kick it out and demand a replacement that ends up being FAR more broken than the original (such as people suggesting a return to the idiotic system of using reactions as reputation, which is literally the worst out of all of them).

 

[MyNameIsAres]

The reputation system shouldn't be removed. Should it be changed? Yes, it should.

 

[EpicFooF]

I disagreed at the beginning and then I changed my mind.
I hate those kids who false rep someone just because "His price didn't fit my budget" and all this shit.

We can't get back to when we vouched on profiles because if you de-vouch someone it can be easily removed by him.
Reputation system should ONLY be used for deals. And it needs to be enforced. Also false rep. Give warning points for that.
Punish people. If they give someone rep for something unrelated to deals, they should get warning points.
The whole system is fucked. I also have a false negative reputation but the staff team doesn't want to remove it. They don't even ask for proof from him. Just because they decided it's real so it's real. They should ask from the guy who gave the rep to provide proof that makes his rep valid. For now, it doesn't happen, which makes the whole system false and unbeneficial to anyone.

I think the reputation system should only have the negative section. Positive can go to profiles. The neutral is completely useless.
Also, the staff team will have to check any negative rep before it's shown to everyone. They will have to ask for proof from the guy who gave the rep. It will be much easier for the staff team to handle it because it's only the negative section.[DOUBLEPOST=1498913330][/DOUBLEPOST]Maybe it shouldn't have 'positive' 'negative' and 'neutral'.
Maybe just call it in a different name. Like, 'Transaction Review'.
No colors, no 3 sections, just 1 that includes every deal that has been made with this user.
When someone submits a review, he will have to attach proof files. If he doesn't, he won't be able to post the review

 

[Ivain]

Agreed on the first part^. If reputation is found to be blatantly/intentionally false, it should be at least 3 warning points, possibly 5. if it is found to otherwise break reputation rules, it should be 1 point with 6 months expiry. THIS SHOULD COUNT FOR POSITIVE REP TOO!
idk if this is already in place, but rn I doubt it.

That said, the negative-only does not sound like a good idea. it would create too much of a negative atmosphere overall. Why should the positive not be displayed publicly as well? if someone has 20 positive rep and 2 negative, that's completely different than them having 5 positive and 2 negative.

 

[LegendDev]

Doesn't this show enough that the rep system should be removed?

 

[Ivain]

Doesn't this show enough that the rep system should be removed?

No, because people will do the exact same with vouches and with reactions. People trying to pay you to rep them will always be a thing, no matter what shape it takes. It is not a thing that comes from the reputation system as is. The only thing that needs to be fixed about that is the honestly confusing part where people are allowed to give negrep for things other than trades. This invites the enormous amount of negrep that staff then have to remove.

Splitting it up into trade rep and opinions is fair enough, especially if you do it with the current system as trade rep, and the reviews be a simple link next to/underneath that, and a number of reviews showing (no positive or negative suggestive layout, just plain text).

That way, someone wanting to know how a user behaves can still easily access people's opinions on a person, while 'reputation' becomes a reflection of the successful and unsuccessful deals that someone has done.

 

[Ivain]

It's very sad cause in this community it's like we're divided.

There is one group who agrees and one group who disagrees and that's from judging the agrees and disagree ratings on this.

There should be some other way to have a more efficient reputation system because the one we have now is garbage

What do you think of the one I suggested, the one with the reviews on top of the current one?

Honestly, I'm thinking of suggesting to change it to reviews only. That way, it would be impossible to give value to the 'number' of reviews someone has, a retarded problem that has so far persisted through EVERY form of reputation we have had (reactions (BS), vouches, and this system). For all people know, they could be 20 negative reviews.

I would also suggest putting a required amount of words/characters (like 100 characters or 10 words or so) so that there won't be as many "this guy is cool" reviews.

The only 'problem' may be that an overall overview of the quality of their service may be difficult.
Reviews are already a thing in resources, and I've never heard a bleep about someone leaving a 'false review'. Theres also rarely something like "user is a very nice person" or "user backed me up in this irrelevant argument".

 

[TrentS]

Rn. I could pay 10 guys $1-$2 to rep me and be super high rep. It's rigged.