Scam reports removal [READ BEFORE REACT]

[Notifyz]

Hello users!

Before reacting please read carefully till the end.

It is kinda annoying when somebody searches your name and the first thing they see is the scam reports against you.
That shouldn't be the first thing they see, it gives bad first impression.

When you meet new people in life, you do not ask them what they did or what happened in their past, in order to give you impression about them.
You meet them the way they are right now and not what happened before.

Same should be on this market.
So I am suggesting for closed scam reports that are older than 6 months or maybe 12 months (expiration can be discussed) should have been moved to achieve where normal users would not be able to see.

Before reacting AGREE let me know with what you agree or what would you change (if you would).
Before reacting DISAGREE let me know what would you change then to be agreed on.

 

[qIooIp]

LMAO don't start please.
Don't make me prove to you too...

You have no knowledge to prove anything.[DOUBLEPOST=1529864879][/DOUBLEPOST]

Alright, I don't usually do this, but to prove yourself a competent one, add me on discord, PTech#1103.

Tested him yet?

 

[PTech]

You have no knowledge to prove anything.[DOUBLEPOST=1529864879][/DOUBLEPOST]

Tested him yet?

I have, he has some general knowledge but isn't that great(no bad blood here), I don't want to go into detail, but he simply said singletons and dependency injection don't have the same concept which kinda erghed me out, as for lambdas, he was pretty good, he forgot a minor detail but overall gucci


oh yeah also he has never heard of guice ._.

 

[kojoti]

I agree because you do not have to judge someone on his past you have to judge someone how you think about him at that moment and you can use the reputation system to see what people think of that person.

 

[Notifyz]

I have, he has some general knowledge but isn't that great(no bad blood here), I don't want to go into detail, but he simply said singletons and dependency injection don't have the same concept which kinda erghed me out, as for lambdas, he was pretty good, he forgot a minor detail but overall gucci


oh yeah also he has never heard of guice ._.

Correct I did not know much about theory regarding singleton and DI but whatever I did not study theory of Java x)

 

[fieldy]

didnt know we were begging for thread views on a minecraft forum

 

[Landon]

Why do I disagree?

I believe it was mentioned before. Let's say I have a Scam Report for providing the purchased work later than the client's deadline. A Scam Report is opened, I provide a refund, and the report is closed and archived. Future clients want to know how I work- and that scam report that is now archived could have been used to show the client I have a problem with completing deadlines. Or anything else really, not just deadlines. Maybe the work wasn't to the said expectations.

There's a whole lot of Scam Report reasons that future clients should have insight to. So by archiving them, all you're doing is making what your clients see what you want to see.

I feel this would benefit the seller, not the buyers.
This is a market forum, and all must benefit from a suggestion, we can't be two sided here and try to make all sellers look great. Buyers need to know about a seller- even if the report was closed.

 

[Ivain]

I'm extremely conflicted about whether or not I should lock or clean up this thread. It's not done for suggestion threads, normally, but at least half the posts here seem to be about the user that submitted it instead of the actual suggestion, or said user reacting to those posts in an off-topic manner.
If you have beef with each other, a suggestions post is NOT the place to fight it out.

Now, on to the suggestion. There's a few reasons why we have scam reports, and why we won't be doing them completely behind closed doors.
1. A focus of the accusation. I'm sure a lot of you have had to deal with people accusing you of scamming for one reason or another, often giving you neg-rep. We require an official report to be made for such reputation to be valid. Without such a report being linked to the rep, we will remove the accusation without question, regardless of whether we personally think the person that received it is a scammer or not.
If we did not have scam reports, we'd need to basically run through a judgement of the proof provided by either side before we can even consider whether or not to remove the reputation for being a false accusation.
Which brings us to the next point.
2. It's a centralized and controlled way for the accused to defend themselves. Without scam reports, there'd be a bunch of "SCAMMER ALERT!!!1!1!!" threads in general discussion and wherever else the person making the accusation would stow them. Sure, we could make an explicit rule forbidding this, but I don't think it'd be a good idea to need a dedicated staff-member for removing such threads.
In addition, the accusations would just be flying all over the place, in a highly escalated manner the way they do now. It would be impossible for someone accused in such a way to properly defend themselves, and it would be even more impossible for staff to keep track of the defense and accusations and whether or not they match up.
This is also the reason why we won't be doing it all completely behind closed doors. If we do, the accusations will still go flying, mostly by friends and buddies of the person doing the accusation who cannot view the now hidden scam reports. Again, this may be against the rules, but just because you forbid something does not mean you can prevent it.

3. Scam reports are actually a way for a person to clearly and easily prove their innocence. If a scam report is closed, everyone will be able to view why it was closed, whether it's lack of proof or resolution of the issue. This way, contradictory accounts can be nipped in the bud.

4. Your main concern is that people get a negative impression of the person accused because of the scam report. This is true, to a certain extent, and I get why you're concerned by it. It's one of the reasons why I argue against an official "Scam report open" badge or similar whenever it's suggested. There should not ever be such an official denunciation by the staff team while the scam report is going on. It should always be accuser, accused, and the "judge" in the form of a scam resolver, who has to remain neutral,
even if it's extremely obvious one party is guilty.

However, not having scam reports open at all will not solve the issue.

In the physical world, if you don't give "The public" information, but they do know something is going on, they'll just make something up. Shit like that grows in the re-telling. Hell, nowadays even the truth grows and distorts almost beyond recognition.
So we're keeping the scam reports public because if we don't, there'll just be infinite amounts of bullshit conclusions and speculations going on that nobody but staff and the 2 parties involved can refute. Often, one of those 2 will not want to refute it because it works in their advantage, meaning that staff would need to back up the person the tide of bullshit goes against with reality, even if they're guilty, and therefore take sides.

 

[Notifyz]

I'm extremely conflicted about whether or not I should lock or clean up this thread. It's not done for suggestion threads, normally, but at least half the posts here seem to be about the user that submitted it instead of the actual suggestion, or said user reacting to those posts in an off-topic manner.
If you have beef with each other, a suggestions post is NOT the place to fight it out.

Now, on to the suggestion. There's a few reasons why we have scam reports, and why we won't be doing them completely behind closed doors.
1. A focus of the accusation. I'm sure a lot of you have had to deal with people accusing you of scamming for one reason or another, often giving you neg-rep. We require an official report to be made for such reputation to be valid. Without such a report being linked to the rep, we will remove the accusation without question, regardless of whether we personally think the person that received it is a scammer or not.
If we did not have scam reports, we'd need to basically run through a judgement of the proof provided by either side before we can even consider whether or not to remove the reputation for being a false accusation.
Which brings us to the next point.
2. It's a centralized and controlled way for the accused to defend themselves. Without scam reports, there'd be a bunch of "SCAMMER ALERT!!!1!1!!" threads in general discussion and wherever else the person making the accusation would stow them. Sure, we could make an explicit rule forbidding this, but I don't think it'd be a good idea to need a dedicated staff-member for removing such threads.
In addition, the accusations would just be flying all over the place, in a highly escalated manner the way they do now. It would be impossible for someone accused in such a way to properly defend themselves, and it would be even more impossible for staff to keep track of the defense and accusations and whether or not they match up.
This is also the reason why we won't be doing it all completely behind closed doors. If we do, the accusations will still go flying, mostly by friends and buddies of the person doing the accusation who cannot view the now hidden scam reports. Again, this may be against the rules, but just because you forbid something does not mean you can prevent it.

3. Scam reports are actually a way for a person to clearly and easily prove their innocence. If a scam report is closed, everyone will be able to view why it was closed, whether it's lack of proof or resolution of the issue. This way, contradictory accounts can be nipped in the bud.

4. Your main concern is that people get a negative impression of the person accused because of the scam report. This is true, to a certain extent, and I get why you're concerned by it. It's one of the reasons why I argue against an official "Scam report open" badge or similar whenever it's suggested. There should not ever be such an official denunciation by the staff team while the scam report is going on. It should always be accuser, accused, and the "judge" in the form of a scam resolver, who has to remain neutral,
even if it's extremely obvious one party is guilty.

However, not having scam reports open at all will not solve the issue.

In the physical world, if you don't give "The public" information, but they do know something is going on, they'll just make something up. Shit like that grows in the re-telling. Hell, nowadays even the truth grows and distorts almost beyond recognition.
So we're keeping the scam reports public because if we don't, there'll just be infinite amounts of bullshit conclusions and speculations going on that nobody but staff and the 2 parties involved can refute. Often, one of those 2 will not want to refute it because it works in their advantage, meaning that staff would need to back up the person the tide of bullshit goes against with reality, even if they're guilty, and therefore take sides.

Instead of locking, why don't you think a bit more 'advanced' and instead of community be not being able to discuss. You could see who started this and give him warning points and remove the messages - isn't that better, don't you think?

But regarding the suggestion on your opinion I cannot say much, you got your point.
Or at least instead of removing / moving scam reports, what about making them not the first thing when you search somebody's name (obviously for those closed scam reports, I don't see a reason why it should come first)?

 

[Ivain]

I have no idea how we'd affect search results like that, I'll leave that to the admins/devs.

 

[Jerry]

I have no idea how we'd affect search results like that, I'll leave that to the admins/devs.

He's saying move them to an archive that isn't visible to regular users.

 

[Ivain]

He's saying move them to an archive that isn't visible to regular users.

And for that I'll refer you back to my point 3. I thought he meant make it so that it doesnt turn up at the top of the search results guaranteed, like it apparently does now.

 

[JesseN]

You guys should search: 'Notifyz Scam Report' xD
Then everyone knows whats going on here.

 

[Jerry]

And for that I'll refer you back to my point 3. I thought he meant make it so that it doesnt turn up at the top of the search results guaranteed, like it apparently does now.

I think they show up at the top because the name is in full as the first word in the title.

 

[Notifyz]

You guys should search: 'Notifyz Scam Report' xD
Then everyone knows whats going on here.

And we suppose that is funny?

You know unlike you I don't have ego, if I was thinking only about myself do you think now those ~40 people would agree with me?
Don't be stupid, you are not the only one on the forum that doesn't have any scam report open and even if you would this doesn't have to do with this suggestion at all.[DOUBLEPOST=1529946560][/DOUBLEPOST]

AGREEE but MC market should find away to stop ban evaders and better AntiVPN protections

Make sure to react if you agree, thank you!

 

[GamerCLOL]

+1
ya bro

 

[rekt]

They don't matter since 1, they say closed meaning you're not banned and 2 they are false so it's not like they're a criminal record, so why do you care if they're removed. They should be privated not removed because if the user decides to try to get unbanned he shouldn't have his evidence deleted.

 

[Notifyz]

I disagree because in most (like 99.99%) cases as long as you live up to your word and fulfill your end you'll never have to worry about scam reports.

Yes but you never know what can come up maybe some accident or anything and due to that you would not be able to complete your commission