Scammer Search - Petition [COME VOTE!]

[ROGUE_]

Hello, so recently MC-MARKET decided to say I am not allowed my website
that helps prevents scams through minecraft/online gaming. (i.e stop people scamming you!)

I think this idea they decided to do was incredibly stupid.
I'm just looking to see what you all think about this.

Please cast your vote if you think the website should be advertised on this site.

Website link: https://scammersear.ch

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[ROGUE_]

I disagree, even though I have closely worked with the owner for one simple reason: You are gaining revenue for an already created part of the website.

Let me explain, basically you are indeed creating a larger database to make a much easier environment toward the finding of scammers, which is great I am all for that.

However, I am looking from the perspective of MCM, how would they feel if they saw someome capitalizing on this when they could be making that money instead?

Any way you wish to place it, what you have made is simply a competitor site, and as long as members are being sucked from MCM and you are gaining revenue from it, you are indeed a competitor site.

MCM is still a business, and if they see that possible revenue/visitors could be lost, I completely agree with their decision to not have you on their site, honestly its just
common sense.

Not saying I don’t disagree/like scammersear.ch, I absolutely love t and respect the work done regarding it. Though I just cannot deny my reasoning above. Only way I could see it working is if you formally partner with MCM, which would be a completely awesome feat.

Please keep in mind this is
my opinion, and mine only.

Cheers!
Theo

Thanks for the response. Yes, we gain revenue from this. But we've gone the lowest of the lowest price. Especially when it's a "one-time payment". You can not discriminate businesses/service providers for wanting/needing revenue to keep it alive.

If they want to do their own thing to make money off it, they can. Not saying they aren't allowed. But then again they don't like the competition they have, don't see why they would become it themselves. Anywho, we aren't a competitor site, That's more forum and offering the same service they do.

People do not purchase their ranks/packages for Scam Reports section, so they will not lose profits/revenue because of Scammer Search, Also, I'm up for a partnership with MCM if they are, but that's up to them.

I understand where you're coming from but hopefully, this explains it all. If you have any more questions just respond below.
Hopefully, I've altered your whole perspective upon this thread.

Thanks.[DOUBLEPOST=1522178788][/DOUBLEPOST]Hello Clayed, It appears you've cast your vote as Disagree
Could you please explain your reason behind this vote and we can discuss things.

And hopefully, I can change your mind and give you an understanding on everything.

Thanks.[DOUBLEPOST=1522180881][/DOUBLEPOST]Hello Tristan M. , It appears you've cast your vote as Disagree
Could you please explain your reason behind this vote and we can discuss things.

And hopefully, I can change your mind and give you an understanding on everything.

 

[Tristan M.]

Hello Tristan M. , It appears you've cast your vote as Disagree
Could you please explain your reason behind this vote and we can discuss things.

And hopefully, I can change your mind and give you an understanding on everything.

I don't think the site is a bad idea, but what your doing here is a bad idea. Mick doesn't want to advertise your site for what I'm going to assume are good reasons.

You claim to have information about scammers, and who you should trust.

If this were advertised on a site like MCM and it was found out that (Not to say it would happen) you guys were taking hush-money or even giving false "Deal with caution" flags that would be so bad for MCM it's not funny.

Being advertised / endorsed here would give you a high-horse to sit upon, and almost force you to play god. You could ruin a users reputation with a fake scam, or entice people into getting scammed by neglecting reports.

Mick doesn't want to entrust his user base to some guy claiming he has the end-all solution to scamming.


I don't see this becoming a thing unless literally all of the community say it is a good idea, or Mick buys your operation.

Please do tell me how you would ensure stuff like this wouldn't happen.[DOUBLEPOST=1522181389][/DOUBLEPOST]Also stop tagging everyone that disagrees with the thread .-.

 

[1337]

I don't think the site is a bad idea, but what your doing here is a bad idea. Mick doesn't want to advertise your site for what I'm going to assume are good reasons.

You claim to have information about scammers, and who you should trust.

If this were advertised on a site like MCM and it was found out that (Not to say it would happen) you guys were taking hush-money or even giving false "Deal with caution" flags that would be so bad for MCM it's not funny.

Being advertised / endorsed here would give you a high-horse to sit upon, and almost force you to play god. You could ruin a users reputation with a fake scam, or entice people into getting scammed by neglecting reports.

Mick doesn't want to entrust his user base to some guy claiming he has the end-all solution to scamming.


I don't see this becoming a thing unless literally all of the community say it is a good idea, or Mick buys your operation.

Please do tell me how you would ensure stuff like this wouldn't happen.[DOUBLEPOST=1522181389][/DOUBLEPOST]Also stop tagging everyone that disagrees with the thread .-.

Completely agree, this would give him the power to just make a post about anyone and ruin them for good. This really isn't needed either and just seems like a method to give yourself more control over the community. "Play nice or I tell people you're a scammer on the site" or "Pay me $50 and I'll forget about the reports you've gotten for a few months "

 

[Lexxonist]

It's a great idea, lets the player decide for themself if a player is likely to scame or not from evidence provided, I'll definitely be using this in the near future to assess customers before dealing with them. Thanks!

 

[ROGUE_]

This project was made entirely for the community, not for profits. I don't even take profits. It goes back into advertising/paying development.

There is no way for me to prove that thing about "taking hush money", But I don't do things like that and there isn't a way for me to prove it but what if M6Gaming does this NOT SAYING HE DOES!, but you just do not know these things.

I'm just offering a free service for people with premium features to keep it online. I'm willing to give the staff members of MC-Market permissions to view the active/deleted/hidden cases if you think that we may "ignore reports made against certain people".

I'm not going to ruin this whole business/idea for ransom money or whatever.

 

[El_Tristanio]

Hello, so recently MC-MARKET decided to say I am not allowed my website
that helps prevents scams through minecraft/online gaming. (i.e stop people scamming you!)

I think this idea they decided to do was incredibly stupid.
I'm just looking to see what you all think about this.

Please cast your vote if you think the website should be advertised on this site.

Website link: https://scammersear.ch

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The previous thread received
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This was all in three days (saturday)​

Why didthey not allow you?

 

[ROGUE_]

Honestly, yes we could ruin someones reputation, but that's only because they must of scammed someone.
If someone reports someone for scamming, they must have valid information/evidence against them.

No evidence = no case.
no case = no one will believe it.[DOUBLEPOST=1522184311][/DOUBLEPOST]

Why didthey not allow you?

Still awaiting the reason/response from Mick[DOUBLEPOST=1522184739][/DOUBLEPOST]Please be aware people, this will run with or without the support from MCM

 

[utaninja]

The site is meant for mcmarket and as you posted publicly, is hoping to partner with mcmarket.
MCM’s job isn’t to advertise other websites of any sort.

 

[ROGUE_]

just because im requesting to partner with them isnt me asking for advertisements lol
im willing to pay for the ads at full price.

 

[utaninja]

just because im requesting to partner with them isnt me asking for advertisements lol
im willing to pay for the ads at full price.

A partnership with mcmarket will bring in huge amounts of users to scammersearch. It will not benefit mcm. In addition to that, you don’t have the logs for scam reports on mcmarket.

 

[Callam]

I would honestly never use this service. It's usually not that hard to find out if someones a scammer and I don't trust you or your team.

Your negative rep doesn't help your case. Nor the fact that you link to a competitor on your site. Nor the fact that for some reason you're suspended.

 

[Tristan M.]

This project was made entirely for the community, not for profits. I don't even take profits. It goes back into advertising/paying development.

Who's to say you will keep that promise in the near future? I don't care whether or not you take profits. What I care about is how you treat the project, and whether you actually deal with it in a professional manner. You made a suggestion thread as a petition because you were upset that the owner of the biggest MC marketplace didn't want to partner with you, rather unprofessional. it would have been a better idea to just continue the PMs with management here or go somewhere else for a partnership.

There is no way for me to prove that thing about "taking hush money", But I don't do things like that and there isn't a way for me to prove it but what if M6Gaming does this NOT SAYING HE DOES!, but you just do not know these things.

Let's get a few things straight here. "There is no way to prove it" is a poor argument regardless of who is using it. It makes you seem more guilty than you are, and it would be better to ignore this point entirely if you didn't have a good rebuttal. I'm not here to give debate advice but that one was pretty obvious to me.

To prove you wouldn't be able to take hush money or anything like that you should leave the resolution up to unnamed people. It would be better if people couldn't contact people that do resolution directly unless they know the person off-site.

You could also have an admin moderate what reports get added, removed, and the like to make sure nothing goes without a good reason. (Would also then require a reason with every addition/removal, which at the time of resolution would be a non issue.)

You then say what if M6 was doing this. Well, I know that M6 wouldn't do such a thing first of all, and your message says that you don't either, however if he were doing this it would be easy to tell if administration just had a quick look through the scam report requests for the past few days, and asked M6 to explain any deletions, or rejections without a proper notice.

However you are turning the point on it's head. If MC-M was doing this it would be a nightmare for Mick to clear up, but Mick trusts M6, how does he even know you? Through professional terms? If you wanted Mick's full trust, and support you would need to know him about as personally as M6 or one of the admins.

I'm just offering a free service for people with premium features to keep it online. I'm willing to give the staff members of MC-Market permissions to view the active/deleted/hidden cases if you think that we may "ignore reports made against certain people".

A free service is fine, I like the idea, and fully support it. A few problems with the "Free part." It is listed on your site that free users can only access reports from the past 6 months, meaning if a user scammed someone a year ago, and someone signs up on your site quick to see if they are a scammer they may look legit if there were no other reports.

Why would MC-M staff need to view Deleted, or Hidden Cases? If they're Deleted/Hidden they are obviously false / irrelevant. If you want them to be able to do something special give them something meaningful.

Ignored reports wouldn't be an issue if you followed my previous advice from the last point.

I would suggest as well if you want to get partnered with any site that you take the adverts for sites you're a part off of the front page, and put them onto a "Partnerships" page.

I'm not going to ruin this whole business/idea for ransom money or whatever.

Words are just words. I will believe this when we know for that certain action was taken.



I really do like the idea, but I can't help but see all the holes in this boat. It's a good start but needs work before you should consider partnerships with sites like MC-M and others. I would suggest coming back to Mick with a proposal when you have a considerable amount more reports under your belt, and possibly a few months, to a year of uptime.

If you don't want to wait try one of the smaller sites.

 

[Mick]

The owner of this site has been banned for ban evading, and if I recall correctly his original account was banned for scamming, which is a bit ironic.

This is an example of why we shouldn't be leaving scam reports for anyone other than MC-Market staff to handle, on-site. It's impossible to tell the legitimacy of third party services. MC-Market's scam reports system may not be perfect, but at the end of the day it's the best option there is and any third-parties aren't going to be able to offer an advantage over our system.

Denied.