Service Teams, and why they should end.

[Sloth]

Very well.
Why would a business that, according to this thread, benefits no one, lies, claims to be something they aren't, and waste time for everyone involved stay in business for (in my case) years now? Why would people continue to buy from them, and leave five star reviews of their services, if they are doing nothing right? Why would all these people who say service teams are the worst continue to support them? One can only wonder...

Also, if a free market means anything, it's that freelancers aren't being "robbed" of clients, they are being out-competed.

Most users probably don’t understand what capitalism entails so they immediately believe that leaving one business for another is “stealing” or “robbery.”

 

[Emily]

Very well.
Why would a business that, according to this thread, benefits no one, lies, claims to be something they aren't, and waste time for everyone involved stay in business for (in my case) years now? Why would people continue to buy from them, and leave five star reviews of their services, if they are doing nothing right? Why would all these people who say service teams are the worst continue to support them? One can only wonder...

Also, if a free market means anything, it's that freelancers aren't being "robbed" of clients, they are being out-competed.

My post is true for the majority of them. Some premium/top tier ones such as yours aren't like this, but 90% are.[DOUBLEPOST=1559179757][/DOUBLEPOST]

Most users probably don’t understand what capitalism entails so they immediately believe that leaving one business for another is “stealing” or “robbery.”

I literally run my own legal business

 

[Sloth]

My post is true for the majority of them. Some premium/top tier ones such as yours aren't like this, but 90% are.[DOUBLEPOST=1559179757][/DOUBLEPOST]

I literally run my own legal business

I’m sure that’s a completely stable and reliable business venture.

 

[Emily]

I’m sure that’s a completely stable and reliable business venture.

No need to be rude, damn.

 

[Sloth]

No need to be rude, damn.

Sorry I just see so many users use the whole “I’m a legitimate business owner” on here a lot to try and justify their flawed arguments.[DOUBLEPOST=1559179969][/DOUBLEPOST]Most the time they aren’t running an actual business.

 

[Emily]

Sorry I just see so many users use the whole “I’m a legitimate business owner” on here a lot to try and justify their flawed arguments.[DOUBLEPOST=1559179969][/DOUBLEPOST]Most the time they aren’t running an actual business.

I saw you saying "they dont know about capitalism" so I wanted to clarify that I am not one of those people

 

[Sloth]

I saw you saying "they dont know about capitalism" so I wanted to clarify that I am not one of those people

In your original post you claim that freelancers are “robbed” of their clients/business because of service teams. If you had an understanding of how capitalism works you would’ve known this is simply competition at work. Not robbery.

 

[Emily]

In your original post you claim that freelancers are “robbed” of their clients/business because of service teams. If you had an understanding of how capitalism works you would’ve known this is simply competition at work. Not robbery.

I am aware

 

[Sloth]

I am aware

I saw you saying "they dont know about capitalism" so I wanted to clarify that I am not one of those people

 

[Emily]

Yes

EDIT: for some reason doesnt show his quote[DOUBLEPOST=1559189694][/DOUBLEPOST]Thanks for the kind reactions

 

[Kuchy]

I've never joined a service team and it's not cause of the money issue. Before I made my service thread, I built up my portfolio by small projects (not public as they sucked compared to now ). I've always found service teams a hassle for some clients. I personally have nothing against them until they start saying bullshit on how they are different to others, they aren't. Let's be real. In the end, all the service teams end up offering the same services, same ticket structure (different bots, same end goal), same goal for clients (the ones that aren't in it for just the money), and so on.

Service Pricing
If you're on a really low budget and need something cheap as hell, a certain few service teams are the way to go (not naming out of courtesy but they can easily be found by going to any service forum). Not all of them underprice work, well not extremely, but jeez the few I've seen made me wish I didn't come out of the oven. I'm talking $30 quotes on nikolov's or dub's designs... So in that case, as a web developer you'd receive $24-$27 (based off the 80-90% rates) for underpriced work, given that the developer can actually do that. AGAIN, not all service teams do this.

Portfolio
All righty imma keep this one short cause I really only got 1 thing to say.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO JOIN YOUR DISCORD TO SEE SOME OF YOUR WORK. IF I'M INTERESTED, I'LL JOIN... (Speaking as if I were a consumer).
Simple

Personal Encounters
I've had a couple reps asking to join their team but I'd like to talk about 1 in particular, leaving out names of course. We'll call them Bob. Bob was very nice coming to me and offered to join their team. I refused as I didn't want to join one. Bob was fine with it but then said, "There's a $xxx ticket not claimed." Now I'm not sure if Bob was trying to bribe me to join or what but considering Bob said it made it seem so. I didn't respond. Bob was a nice guy though so don't hold anything against him.

Overall
Not all teams are bad but there are quite a few that definitely could piss people off. I feel teams have a bad image here which might be why people don't like them even if they never tried. It's definitely not robbery but basic competition which is what most things are nowadays.



Off topic
For what it's worth, I enjoy your threads. It's not post farm in my opinion but just a simple discussion thread. Not for me to decide but that's what I think.

 

[User]

So you're saying service teams should go away because they're more efficient and wanted than single freelancers? That doesn't sound very logical to me.

 

[DarkKnights22]

I agree Emily, I should be getting all the commissions for plugins, not service teams..

xD

 

[Emily]

I agree Emily, I should be getting all the commissions for plugins, not service teams..

xD

You make plugins?

 

[Emily]

I've commented on this type of thing before, but I'll do it again just so I can redirect other people to my post on here.
(I'm defending service teams before any of you get confused)


I'll say the same thing I've told other people that post stuff like this. You're just doing this to post farm, and make service teams look way worst then they actually are.
Also, before I get into my reasoning I would like to emphasize that I'm completely against service teams spamming their messages everywhere(So they can fuck off, but compared to the amount of service teams there's really not that many that spam everywhere)

I just want to talk about everything negative said towards service teams, so sorry if what I say isn't related to what you wrote specifically.

-Percentages: I often see people argue that freelancers are "only getting 90%/80%", and often I see people saying that the freelancers deserve to be getting 100% because management are:
Lazy people that sit on their ass and don't do anything while getting paid a percentage of the "freelancer's pay".
When in reality, the management team is bringing the freelancers commissions/orders, giving them a place to accept the commissions without worrying about having to set up their own website/service, and essentially giving them free advertising. So the way I see it, freelancers are sitting there, while the management team are
-Providing the freelancers with advertising for free
-Providing them with clients
-Paying for graphics, bots, and other resources
I also hope these kids don't expect to be earning 100% in the real world, because most companies take way over half of the commission you're working on(My mother works in this type of industry, so feel free to argue against this), and even freelance platforms like fiverr take around 20%.

-Options: People argue that there's too many service teams, so they're basically saying "I don't want to have a wide range of options for my next project". The way I see it, the more teams the better. You get more choices and can compare pricing & quality more easily. Take away all the service teams, and you're stuck with only a few freelancer's to complete your work.

-Titles: Service team members can give themselves any titles they want, it doesn't affect the quality or outcome of the services provided, if they're trying to act more professional, I would respect that.


Just an extra note, I've worked with and have purchased from multiple different service teams and have had no bad experiences. Hopefully you guys can dm me and we can have a civilized convo about your side of this.

Making a Discord server with 10 channels is not hard work and does not deserve pay.

 

[DarkKnights22]

You make plugins?

Yeah

 

[Ty]

this thread is a waste, lol.
just because you want all these service teams to close doesn't mean they will. if i was to state my opinion i'd just be repeating the logical people on this thread, if you run it right you'll be successful :tup:

 

[GolamT313]

I've commented on this type of thing before, but I'll do it again just so I can redirect other people to my post on here.
(I'm defending service teams before any of you get confused)


I'll say the same thing I've told other people that post stuff like this. You're just doing this to post farm, and make service teams look way worst then they actually are.
Also, before I get into my reasoning I would like to emphasize that I'm completely against service teams spamming their messages everywhere(So they can fuck off, but compared to the amount of service teams there's really not that many that spam everywhere)

I just want to talk about everything negative said towards service teams, so sorry if what I say isn't related to what you wrote specifically.

-Percentages: I often see people argue that freelancers are "only getting 90%/80%", and often I see people saying that the freelancers deserve to be getting 100% because management are:
Lazy people that sit on their ass and don't do anything while getting paid a percentage of the "freelancer's pay".
When in reality, the management team is bringing the freelancers commissions/orders, giving them a place to accept the commissions without worrying about having to set up their own website/service, and essentially giving them free advertising. So the way I see it, freelancers are sitting there, while the management team are
-Providing the freelancers with advertising for free
-Providing them with clients
-Paying for graphics, bots, and other resources
I also hope these kids don't expect to be earning 100% in the real world, because most companies take way over half of the commission you're working on(My mother works in this type of industry, so feel free to argue against this), and even freelance platforms like fiverr take around 20%.

-Options: People argue that there's too many service teams, so they're basically saying "I don't want to have a wide range of options for my next project". The way I see it, the more teams the better. You get more choices and can compare pricing & quality more easily. Take away all the service teams, and you're stuck with only a few freelancer's to complete your work.

-Titles: Service team members can give themselves any titles they want, it doesn't affect the quality or outcome of the services provided, if they're trying to act more professional, I would respect that.


Just an extra note, I've worked with and have purchased from multiple different service teams and have had no bad experiences. Hopefully you guys can dm me and we can have a civilized convo about your side of this.

You contradict yourself by saying service teams provide all of these extra perks such as advertising and graphics for free because you also mention that the management does take a percentage of the commission.

Sure there are a handful of service teams that are actually good because they either have a large client base or just downright know how to run a proper team. But just like other fads (such as hosting companies), service teams are littered with children who have nothing better to do than start up their "professional" service team. This way they can call themselves a CEO and net a profit of $1.62 over a course of 2.5 days and sell off their fortune 500 for 5 bucks when school starts Monday.

-Options: People argue that there's too many service teams, so they're basically saying "I don't want to have a wide range of options for my next project". The way I see it, the more teams the better. You get more choices and can compare pricing & quality more easily. Take away all the service teams, and you're stuck with only a few freelancer's to complete your work.

By saying this you are implying that service teams create freelancers. The number of freelancers available does not correlate to the number of service teams that exist. Freelancers are available regardless if service teams exist or not.

There are negative aspects in joining a service team as a freelancer as well. For example, a client requires a web design, plugin developed, thread design, and a trailer. The client goes to service team X for his needs. The client has a bad experience from the web designer so he does not do business with three other freelancers in that service team. Therefore, the bad experience is representative of all freelancers in service team X.

In conclusion, the problem is not simply too many service teams, but moreso too many low quality service teams. It becomes harder for quality service teams to stand out among the hundreds that possibly exist already.