Should The U.S. Invade Mexico?

[Sloth]

Recently President Trump has discussed the possibility of labeling the drug cartels that are hiding out in Mexico as terrorist organizations. This opens up the possibility for military intervention into the region similar to that of Afghanistan.

What do you guys think about this? Should the United States take military action against the cartels or leave it up to the Mexican government to deal with the problem?

 

[Violet]

yes

 

[casket]

51 states?

 

[Sloth]

51 states?

If the U.S. did go through with this, I doubt we'd annex them. At the very least they'd establish some sort of puppet government if evidence of collaboration between the cartels and the current Mexican government were to be found.

If by some chance we were to annex Mexico, I'd assume it would be divided based on the current state boundaries found in Mexico.

 

[Steampunk]

It would be a US territory (Like Guam) but the idea of invading Mexico would be disastrous with a huge loss of life.

 

[Aabes]

build a big... big wall

 

[Shooting]

This could be the start to WWWIII u never know

 

[Pu1se]

Everyone saying yes is dumb, period.

If you want to stop the spreading of drugs and violence the cartels make, stop giving weapons to the cartels, because let's be real. Where else do you think the cartels get their weapons from? Obviously the US.

In recent events, more specifically in Culiacan, Sinaloa (homeland for one of the biggest cartels, this city is basically all around this cartel, most people living in this city are used to seeing big weapons, cartel trucks, leaders of the cartel, etc. On a regular basis) well in this event in Culiacan, the Mexican government tried to arrest *THE* cartel's leader, son of El Chapo, and the soldiers were able to do so, capturing him, but after that, because of shit planning by the Mexican's government, they were forced to release him, due to shootings happening literally in the streets of Culiacan, cartel was threatening the soldiers families, etc.
My point is, in those shootings that were ocurring on broad daylight, right on the streets of Culiacan, the cartel showed to have way better weapons, trucks, whatever, you name it than the Mexican's ARMY, yes A-R-M-Y.
Take a moment to sink that in.

The problem in Mexico isn't about how the cartels are labeled, it is about how they get their power, I see two main reasons, one being the Mexican's government absolutely clueless on what to do to these cartels literally running the country. And two, they are granted a very big market of weapons, armory, tactical equipment, etc. From the US.

Don't get me wrong though, Mexicans as much as the US citizens want these cartels gone, because they do nothing else but hurt the society and provide nothing but violence.
But a war isn't the right way to do this. It would only bring suffering to the working and honest people from Mexico, believe me, there is this big fear of going out at night, of even doing the smallest and simplest things such as honking the horn in traffic, because you may never know who is in front of you. There is fear for starting a business, because cartels ask you for a big amount of money weekly just to let you keep working in peace.

Whoever is saying yes for this, im sorry but you're clueless on what's going on, you only see your side of the story. You want Mexican cartels to stop sending drugs to the US but you keep arming them.

 

[Sloth]

Everyone saying yes is dumb, period.

If you want to stop the spreading of drugs and violence the cartels make, stop giving weapons to the cartels, because let's be real. Where else do you think the cartels get their weapons from? Obviously the US.

In recent events, more specifically in Culiacan, Sinaloa (homeland for one of the biggest cartels, this city is basically all around this cartel, most people living in this city are used to seeing big weapons, cartel trucks, leaders of the cartel, etc. On a regular basis) well in this event in Culiacan, the Mexican government tried to arrest *THE* cartel's leader, son of El Chapo, and the soldiers were able to do so, capturing him, but after that, because of shit planning by the Mexican's government, they were forced to release him, due to shootings happening literally in the streets of Culiacan, cartel was threatening the soldiers families, etc.
My point is, in those shootings that were ocurring on broad daylight, right on the streets of Culiacan, the cartel showed to have way better weapons, trucks, whatever, you name it than the Mexican's ARMY, yes A-R-M-Y.
Take a moment to sink that in.

The problem in Mexico isn't about how the cartels are labeled, it is about how they get their power, I see two main reasons, one being the Mexican's government absolutely clueless on what to do to these cartels literally running the country. And two, they are granted a very big market of weapons, armory, tactical equipment, etc. From the US.

Don't get me wrong though, Mexicans as much as the US citizens want these cartels gone, because they do nothing else but hurt the society and provide nothing but violence.
But a war isn't the right way to do this. It would only bring suffering to the working and honest people from Mexico, believe me, there is this big fear of going out at night, of even doing the smallest and simplest things such as honking the horn in traffic, because you may never know who is in front of you. There is fear for starting a business, because cartels ask you for a big amount of money weekly just to let you keep working in peace.

Whoever is saying yes for this, im sorry but you're clueless on what's going on, you only see your side of the story. You want Mexican cartels to stop sending drugs to the US but you keep arming them.

Operation Fast and Furious at work baby

 

[US]

Everyone saying yes is dumb, period.

If you want to stop the spreading of drugs and violence the cartels make, stop giving weapons to the cartels, because let's be real. Where else do you think the cartels get their weapons from? Obviously the US.

In recent events, more specifically in Culiacan, Sinaloa (homeland for one of the biggest cartels, this city is basically all around this cartel, most people living in this city are used to seeing big weapons, cartel trucks, leaders of the cartel, etc. On a regular basis) well in this event in Culiacan, the Mexican government tried to arrest *THE* cartel's leader, son of El Chapo, and the soldiers were able to do so, capturing him, but after that, because of shit planning by the Mexican's government, they were forced to release him, due to shootings happening literally in the streets of Culiacan, cartel was threatening the soldiers families, etc.
My point is, in those shootings that were ocurring on broad daylight, right on the streets of Culiacan, the cartel showed to have way better weapons, trucks, whatever, you name it than the Mexican's ARMY, yes A-R-M-Y.
Take a moment to sink that in.

The problem in Mexico isn't about how the cartels are labeled, it is about how they get their power, I see two main reasons, one being the Mexican's government absolutely clueless on what to do to these cartels literally running the country. And two, they are granted a very big market of weapons, armory, tactical equipment, etc. From the US.

Don't get me wrong though, Mexicans as much as the US citizens want these cartels gone, because they do nothing else but hurt the society and provide nothing but violence.
But a war isn't the right way to do this. It would only bring suffering to the working and honest people from Mexico, believe me, there is this big fear of going out at night, of even doing the smallest and simplest things such as honking the horn in traffic, because you may never know who is in front of you. There is fear for starting a business, because cartels ask you for a big amount of money weekly just to let you keep working in peace.

Whoever is saying yes for this, im sorry but you're clueless on what's going on, you only see your side of the story. You want Mexican cartels to stop sending drugs to the US but you keep arming them.

You're the one that is clueless. It is completely legal in Mexico to produce and own a firearm. Banning weapons in the United States will only increase the domestic production of weapons in Mexico. Simple economics here. Supply goes down in U.S., domestic production in Mexico will increase drastically. Furthermore the only reason guns are being supplied to the cartel is because the U.S. supplies the Mexican Government. They supply the Mexican Government to assist their army, however, the Mexican Government is so insanely corrupt that weapons fall into the wrong hands. This is majorly due to people getting payed off by the cartels. So no, banning the sales in the United States will only temporarily decrease the amount of guns available to the cartel. I have no stance on whether invading Mexico would be a good idea or not, I just stumbled upon your flawed argument.

 

[caibokush]

no

 

[500miles]

I want to see another nuclear bomb detonate

 

[BrianGrug]

As I see it, Mexico is no longer fit to deal with this problem, and whether it's the U.S or another country, I feel like this issue needs to be dealt with. It's no longer just a problem for Mexico, but it's a problem for the United States and multiple other countries as well.

 

[Pu1se]

You're the one that is clueless. It is completely legal in Mexico to produce and own a firearm. Banning weapons in the United States will only increase the domestic production of weapons in Mexico. Simple economics here. Supply goes down in U.S., domestic production in Mexico will increase drastically. Furthermore the only reason guns are being supplied to the cartel is because the U.S. supplies the Mexican Government. They supply the Mexican Government to assist their army, however, the Mexican Government is so insanely corrupt that weapons fall into the wrong hands. This is majorly due to people getting payed off by the cartels. So no, banning the sales in the United States will only temporarily decrease the amount of guns available to the cartel. I have no stance on whether invading Mexico would be a good idea or not, I just stumbled upon your flawed argument.

Where did I say you can't produce or own firearms in Mexico? And where did I say US should ban weapons?
What I said is that if your country wants to help Mexico in this drug war, the right way to do this is to stop the supply of illegal weapons coming from the US. It is true, in Mexico you can own and produce firearms, but it isn't remotely close as it is in the US.
The legal firearms in Mexico are some .380. Period.
Watch any video of what type of firearms the Sinaloa cartel had in the Culiacan shootings.

Oh and by the way, why don't you look up how hard it is to get one of those legal firearms you so confidently talk about? Don't compare the US system to the Mexican system, there are no gunshops in Mexico, if you want a weapon you need to start a very long bureaucracy process.
In Mexico the most viable way of owning a gun for self defense (which is, by the way, very rarely used, since the number of houses owning a gun in Mexico and the US isn't close at all) is to get it illegaly, the legal process is close to impossible to get done.
To give you a little insight, if a businessman requires bodyguards, you don't make that bodyguard go through this process to be able to carry a gun legally, you literally make him start working for one of the public security divisions, also known as PID. In other words, it is way easier to start working for the police and therefore being given a firearm than to go through the process of getting the firearm permit as a regular citizen.

And no, the weapons that the US government sells to the Mexican government aren't being "stolen" or "falling in the wrong hands", the control and regulation system of firearms owns by SEDENA is very tight. These weapons aren't being taken to the cartels, these weapons stay for the army.
The weapons that do go to the cartels are, as I said before, the ones being ilegally sold directly to the cartels.

As you said, simple economics here, gunshops and the popular gun shows in US sell guns, especially in the border cities from the US.
Cartels need guns so they buy them here and after that they bring them to Mexico.
While these guns may not be illegal in the US, they are in Mexico simply because they didn't go through the registration process, and obviously these are not .380, they are AK47, AR15, you name it.

 

[Cleora]

Just move to Canada.
Sit back, enjoy the snowfall by the fireplace and have some pancakes with maple syrup.

 

[NovaLegion]

The cartels are the Mexican government at this point.
How do you lose a battle against a bunch of druggies?

 

[Pu1se]

As I see it, Mexico is no longer fit to deal with this problem, and whether it's the U.S or another country, I feel like this issue needs to be dealt with. It's no longer just a problem for Mexico, but it's a problem for the United States and multiple other countries as well.

I agree, Mexican government is naive and clueless on how to fight the cartels, even more with this new government elected a year ago. They insist on a dumb strategy which consists of "more hugs, less bullets", no. You don't fight people raping, selling drugs, killing, etc. By offering them peace.

 

[root]

hey, let's build a wall. then blow it up during an annexing.