100+ AGREES - Disallow "Time Waste" Neg Reps

[Satan]

Negative Reputations revolving around the statement of "User wasted my time DNDW" etc. should be disallowed if they meet these 2 conditions:

1. There is no evidence (screenshots, threads, conversation text, etc.) of any money movement/transaction/a deal taking place (a failed deal basically)
2. There is no evidence to suggest the "time waster" is a scammer or displays behavior akin to what a scammer would do (attempted scamming)

I currently have two negative reputations given by 2 bot developers for "wasting their time" or more specifically in Medi 's case, I did not commission him. I stated that I do not wish to commission him and here is the spoiler for the chat logs if you'd like to read through it all.

Spoiler: Chatlog with Medi regarding declining to commission/hire him

Medi02/14/2018


Oh hello?



We have affiliated before it seems



So your looking for one bot to do both features in the 2 posts you made or 2 seperate bots?


zDrakon 02/14/2018


2 seperate



i already hve 1 working


Medi02/14/2018


So you only need 1 bot?



Is there someone already working on this? What exactly do you need done in which is left?


zDrakon 02/14/2018


working on the other bot



the timer bot



not worke don


Medi02/14/2018


Okay so can you specify on what you need..?(edited)


zDrakon 02/14/2018


thread explains


Medi02/14/2018


So what is all done?



And what all do you still need done, The communication is very lacking and the thread is not very detailed.


zDrakon 02/14/2018


The other bot is working on


Medi02/14/2018


The other bot is working on?



That sentence does not make sense.(edited)


zDrakon 02/14/2018


The other bot is being worked on


zDrakon 02/14/2018


I get the feeling you don't take initiative. Thank you for your time, I will not be commissioning you.

February 26, 2018

Medi02/26/2018


aaaaaand later hater.

I've reported his reputation before and apparently it was not removed and he was not given any consequence. He's allowed to leave a valid negative reputation just because I did not feel like hiring him... there were other bot developers who showed immediate interest to work on what I requested.

Let's move onto the 2nd negative reputation that I feel should be invalidated. alice left a negative reputation with me after I decided that I would go with another bot developer.

I hired her initially to make a automatic toggle ping bot and that went well. Then I called her up in a voice call to explain what I wanted developed next but I did not guarantee hiring her as I clearly stated in the voice call that I would use her as a backup/runner up if my main bot dev does not work on the bot idea I had.

After 24 hours of waiting, my main bot dev got back to me saying he could take the job and alice then went on with an attitude of "you wasted my time" and left me a negative reputation with exactly that. She also went on to say "Open a scam report, you won't win" after I believed that there were bugs with the ping bot she made.

The gist/summary of this all
Negative reputation should only be allowed if a deal took place & both parties do not display scammer/suspicious behavior. If a potential customer does not wish to hire you, you have no right to say "you wasted my time" and leave that as a valid negative reputation.

If freelancers reserve all rights to not take a commission for any reason, customers deserve the same rights to deny hiring any freelancers for whatever reason so long as it was not an attempted scam.

 

[Fate]

Going to be super honest here. Satan (The OP of this thread) has my support. I've been noticing that a lot of the Negative were because people have personal vendettas or grudges with other market users for ridiculous reasons; Such as trashing a thread or not taking kindly to the attitude of another market user. I would like to point out that a lot of market users will often do the rookie move of pulling off those negative reps when a deal, trade or commission has NEVER been done or even initiated and the user giving the negative rep will ALMOST ALWAYS have no proof or screenshots to provide for their particular reason. There's a reason why there's a reputation system. People want to be able to tell if the market user would have good business rep or not. They are NOT there to see drama on the user's profile pages. I personally see this almost all the time when I'm on the market trying to find gift cards or steam game deals and it gets confusing and eventually ridiculous pretty fast. Initially wanted to make a similar discussion thread but Satan already did the honors so just throwing my two cents here for now.

 

[Medi]

rip, looks like multiple developers have been unhappy with you. Maybe you're the problem.



Yes, although you initially said that you would ask your main bot dev before me, you still talked to me on VC for 20 minutes about the project you wanted, and I gave you advice and happily talked about the project with you.

If you had any decent etiquette and morals as a person, you would've just been like "hey ally, you can take on the project instead" since I was there, talking to you about it, ready to start it. Instead, you delayed it an entire day to run to a cheaper, rude/arrogant dev who copy pastes code, because the only thing you care about is making money off of other devs' work and as the reputation above has shown, you are inconsiderate and unempathetic towards devs, especially when you are extremely picky for certain features with or want a command for every little thing to be customizable with your small budget.

I do consider you a time waster. And for the record, you're the one who modified your rep and gave me neutral rep first talking about a non-existent bug in the bot I sent you probably contributed by temporary discord server lag or something, so I gave you -rep back. I was willing to leave it alone at +rep and move on. You asked for all of this.

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Going to be super honest here. Satan (The OP of this thread) has my support. I've been noticing that a lot of the Negative were because people have personal vendettas or grudges with other market users for ridiculous reasons; Such as trashing a thread or not taking kindly to the attitude of another market user. I would like to point out that a lot of market users will often do the rookie move of pulling off those negative reps when a deal, trade or commission has NEVER been done or even initiated and the user giving the negative rep will ALMOST ALWAYS have no proof or screenshots to provide for their particular reason. There's a reason why there's a reputation system. People want to be able to tell if the market user would have good business rep or not. They are NOT there to see drama on the user's profile pages. I personally see this almost all the time when I'm on the market trying to find gift cards or steam game deals and it gets confusing and eventually ridiculous pretty fast. Initially wanted to make a similar discussion thread but Satan already did the honors so just throwing my two cents here for now.

Satan is 12 and toxic, And mostly has to much time on his hand to be making threads like this to cry over reputation that he has earned himself from being a c u next Tuesday.

 

[Satan]

Satan is 12 and toxic

Um, Im not 12, and you can't prove I am... As for being toxic facepalm that's a whole other discussion to be had.

 

[Flipora]

reading through this thread and having encountered other people, I'm getting the vibe that these Minecraft artists /dev's don't get paid much so they really need to be constantly working. I think this is why some of them are annoyed when you lead them on to think they will get a commision when they don't. Yes, they are extremely bitchy about it, but that's because they need the money, so if you don't know for sure that you're going to deal with someone yet, DON'T CONTACT THEM.

 

[Satan]

reading through this thread and having encountered other people, I'm getting the vibe that these Minecraft artists /dev's don't get paid much so they really need to be constantly working. I think this is why some of them are annoyed when you lead them on to think they will get a commision when they don't. Yes, they are extremely bitchy about it, but if you don't know for sure that you're going to deal with someone yet, DON'T CONTACT THEM.

Its not one customer's fault to be really blamed for the "low price" that devs work on this market. Its supply and demand. There's tons of freelancers, and there'll always be that one guy who will lower their prices to get more customers. That's just how things work here.

I get that people can argue that "time is money", I've used that statement before too. But when you take a look at how much money you make on here from commission to commission and look at what you could make making instead of waiting on a customer who has explicitly told you that they'll use you as a runner up, you as the freelancer made that choice to wait. Its as simple as that, if you have other commissions to work on, go work on them, don't wait around for me because I'm not waiting around for you.

 

[Satan]

you know that when neg rep reports get denied they usually say "reputation is about what a member thinks of you" or something along those lines? this proves this post to really be unneeded if you actually reported these reps.

I reported the reps. Staff members don't know the standard to uphold. none of my neg reps were removed and instead were denied to take action. My report didnt work.

 

[alice]

I reported the reps. Staff members don't know the standard to uphold. none of my neg reps were removed and instead were denied to take action. My report didnt work.

go outside.

 

[Heart]

If people don't want their time wasted they should require payment up front.

 

[Satan]

If people don't want their time wasted they should require payment up front.

This thread suggestion has more to do with no money was sent yet. thus no upfront payment

 

[Heart]

This thread suggestion has more to do with no money was sent yet. thus no upfront payment

I know, but if they don't want their time wasted they should request for it to be paid up front, thus no being able to back out last minute.

 

[mam]

Omfg Yes please lord

 

[DuckDoMc]

Indeed, please remove it thats why i got negative rep. Because i wasted someones time when i said that i wanted to wait because i might buy someone else his account. So my negative rep was pretty much bullshit :/.

 

[Jerry]

The reputation system in its current state is to give your opinion on a user in a sense. If someone wastes my time, that's going to give me a negative opinion and I want to warn others that they could potentially just be looking to steal your time. If the reputation system were fixed to change how it's used, I would agree with this suggestion.

Just read some more replies and have found that people have had different instances of time wasting reputation ratings that might change my opinion on this suggestion. My comment above was in regards to people telling me that they're going to purchase something from me without any sort of hesitation.

 

[Satan]

give your opinion on a user in a sense.

It should be used for opinions of users if a transaction actually took place. Thats what Im arguing.

 

[Fate]

The reputation system in its current state is to give your opinion on a user in a sense. If someone wastes my time, that's going to give me a negative opinion and I want to warn others that they could potentially just be looking to steal your time. If the reputation system were fixed to change how it's used, I would agree with this suggestion.

Just read some more replies and have found that people have had different instances of time wasting reputation ratings that might change my opinion on this suggestion. My comment above was in regards to people telling me that they're going to purchase something from me without any sort of hesitation.

TL;DR is, If a deal was NOT initiated or never went through then that case would better be suited for a neutral reputation not negative.

 

[Jerry]

TL;DR is, If a deal was NOT initiated or never went through then that case would better be suited for a neutral reputation not negative.

That gives a negative opinion which would warrant a negative rating with the current system. You can't change something like this without a total overhaul of the reputation system which Mick has stated many times won't happen.

 

[apathetic]

This thread was a waste of my time im neg repping