100+ AGREES - Disallow "Time Waste" Neg Reps

[Satan]

Negative Reputations revolving around the statement of "User wasted my time DNDW" etc. should be disallowed if they meet these 2 conditions:

1. There is no evidence (screenshots, threads, conversation text, etc.) of any money movement/transaction/a deal taking place (a failed deal basically)
2. There is no evidence to suggest the "time waster" is a scammer or displays behavior akin to what a scammer would do (attempted scamming)

I currently have two negative reputations given by 2 bot developers for "wasting their time" or more specifically in Medi 's case, I did not commission him. I stated that I do not wish to commission him and here is the spoiler for the chat logs if you'd like to read through it all.

Spoiler: Chatlog with Medi regarding declining to commission/hire him

Medi02/14/2018


Oh hello?



We have affiliated before it seems



So your looking for one bot to do both features in the 2 posts you made or 2 seperate bots?


zDrakon 02/14/2018


2 seperate



i already hve 1 working


Medi02/14/2018


So you only need 1 bot?



Is there someone already working on this? What exactly do you need done in which is left?


zDrakon 02/14/2018


working on the other bot



the timer bot



not worke don


Medi02/14/2018


Okay so can you specify on what you need..?(edited)


zDrakon 02/14/2018


thread explains


Medi02/14/2018


So what is all done?



And what all do you still need done, The communication is very lacking and the thread is not very detailed.


zDrakon 02/14/2018


The other bot is working on


Medi02/14/2018


The other bot is working on?



That sentence does not make sense.(edited)


zDrakon 02/14/2018


The other bot is being worked on


zDrakon 02/14/2018


I get the feeling you don't take initiative. Thank you for your time, I will not be commissioning you.

February 26, 2018

Medi02/26/2018


aaaaaand later hater.

I've reported his reputation before and apparently it was not removed and he was not given any consequence. He's allowed to leave a valid negative reputation just because I did not feel like hiring him... there were other bot developers who showed immediate interest to work on what I requested.

Let's move onto the 2nd negative reputation that I feel should be invalidated. alice left a negative reputation with me after I decided that I would go with another bot developer.

I hired her initially to make a automatic toggle ping bot and that went well. Then I called her up in a voice call to explain what I wanted developed next but I did not guarantee hiring her as I clearly stated in the voice call that I would use her as a backup/runner up if my main bot dev does not work on the bot idea I had.

After 24 hours of waiting, my main bot dev got back to me saying he could take the job and alice then went on with an attitude of "you wasted my time" and left me a negative reputation with exactly that. She also went on to say "Open a scam report, you won't win" after I believed that there were bugs with the ping bot she made.

The gist/summary of this all
Negative reputation should only be allowed if a deal took place & both parties do not display scammer/suspicious behavior. If a potential customer does not wish to hire you, you have no right to say "you wasted my time" and leave that as a valid negative reputation.

If freelancers reserve all rights to not take a commission for any reason, customers deserve the same rights to deny hiring any freelancers for whatever reason so long as it was not an attempted scam.

 

[alice]

In that definition's context, it refers to deals being made, in this case bribes. They're based on some remotely related context of money being transacted/moved. In the events of what happens most often here on the forum, failed deals happen and then negative reputations of "Wasted my time" come about with no implied transaction happening.

u have no clue what ur talking about when it comes to analyzing a piece of text, u really need to work on ur reading comprehension skills

 

[Lamalandboy]

I think that if someone let's say backs out of a deal within 30 minutes or an hour or 2 it's fine and they shouldn't be allowed to give you a negative reputation because that could mess up your whole business persona.

But let's say you have been dealing with someone for the past week and he's been holding you off giving you multiple excuses and then goes to say hey sorry I can't do it anymore. Unless there is some sort of compensation, I think a negative reputation would be perfectly fine in that situation.
While I do see this time sort of thing as a valid gray area to put neg rep and leave it alone, this would require users to timestamp their conversations with images and slap it onto a negative reputation to stay there on the user who delayed for a week. This would be too high of a requirement to expect of users I think, and the less grey area there is, the easier it is for staff on here to review reputations with the same standard, hence why I don't put in a time "limit" to the original post of my suggestion.

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[Lightzerve]

Negative Reputations revolving around the statement of "User wasted my time DNDW" etc. should be disallowed if they meet these 2 conditions:

1. There is no evidence (screenshots, threads, conversation text, etc.) of any money movement/transaction/a deal taking place (a failed deal basically)
2. There is no evidence to suggest the "time waster" is a scammer or displays behavior akin to what a scammer would do (attempted scamming)

I currently have two negative reputations given by 2 bot developers for "wasting their time" or more specifically in Medi 's case, I did not commission him. I stated that I do not wish to commission him and here is the spoiler for the chat logs if you'd like to read through it all.

Spoiler: Chatlog with Medi regarding declining to commission/hire him

Medi02/14/2018


Oh hello?



We have affiliated before it seems



So your looking for one bot to do both features in the 2 posts you made or 2 seperate bots?


zDrakon 02/14/2018


2 seperate



i already hve 1 working


Medi02/14/2018


So you only need 1 bot?



Is there someone already working on this? What exactly do you need done in which is left?


zDrakon 02/14/2018


working on the other bot



the timer bot



not worke don


Medi02/14/2018


Okay so can you specify on what you need..?(edited)


zDrakon 02/14/2018


thread explains


Medi02/14/2018


So what is all done?



And what all do you still need done, The communication is very lacking and the thread is not very detailed.


zDrakon 02/14/2018


The other bot is working on


Medi02/14/2018


The other bot is working on?



That sentence does not make sense.(edited)


zDrakon 02/14/2018


The other bot is being worked on


zDrakon 02/14/2018


I get the feeling you don't take initiative. Thank you for your time, I will not be commissioning you.

February 26, 2018

Medi02/26/2018


aaaaaand later hater.

I've reported his reputation before and apparently it was not removed and he was not given any consequence. He's allowed to leave a valid negative reputation just because I did not feel like hiring him... there were other bot developers who showed immediate interest to work on what I requested.

Let's move onto the 2nd negative reputation that I feel should be invalidated. alice left a negative reputation with me after I decided that I would go with another bot developer.

I hired her initially to make a automatic toggle ping bot and that went well. Then I called her up in a voice call to explain what I wanted developed next but I did not guarantee hiring her as I clearly stated in the voice call that I would use her as a backup/runner up if my main bot dev does not work on the bot idea I had.

After 24 hours of waiting, my main bot dev got back to me saying he could take the job and alice then went on with an attitude of "you wasted my time" and left me a negative reputation with exactly that. She also went on to say "Open a scam report, you won't win" after I believed that there were bugs with the ping bot she made.

The gist/summary of this all
Negative reputation should only be allowed if a deal took place & both parties do not display scammer/suspicious behavior. If a potential customer does not wish to hire you, you have no right to say "you wasted my time" and leave that as a valid negative reputation.

If freelancers reserve all rights to not take a commission for any reason, customers deserve the same rights to deny hiring any freelancers for whatever reason so long as it was not an attempted scam.

please dont crap yourself because of some rep lol

 

[SheepeyDarkness]

I think the second you have something be made w/o paying or asking for a sample without specifying that you may not go with the person you're requesting the sample from should be valid reasons. Although if I were to simply talk with someone about a possible project and I say they aren't what I want that shouldn't be a valid rep.

 

[Maddy]

i got a neg rep for "wasting time with user as i did not give [them] the loan" facepalm

 

[Satan]

i got a neg rep for "wasting time with user as i did not give [them] the loan" facepalm

Now that my friend, is such an invalid rep.

 

[Trochek]

Actually hilarious, as the user has left out literally the entire discussion of this project. This thread is "Time Waste".[DOUBLEPOST=1541785187][/DOUBLEPOST]Also this user is clearly just upset he has negative reputation, Maybe get outside more.

We not going to acknowledge this person just said get outside of a Minecraft-related? ok.

Anyway, I totally agree with this statement. This hasn’t happened to me personally but I understand the circumstances. As a freelancer myself, I expect to meet up with time-wasters and they may or even may not like my service but doesn’t mean that means they need to negative rep it.

 

[Lotus]

I think it's worth addressing the concept of intention and experience.

If the parties are actually trying to resolve something and then in the end do not come to an agreement. I would say, although there is no final achievement, that time was useful in regards to actually making a final decision. Declining a commission would not be valid for a 'time waste rep'.

If there was actual intention to waste time and troll. Say, waste a freelancer's time by just leading them on then taking joy from the ordeal. I would say a 'time waste rep' would be valid there. That's a negative experience.

I hired her initially to make a automatic toggle ping bot and that went well. Then I called her up in a voice call to explain what I wanted developed next but I did not guarantee hiring her as I clearly stated in the voice call that I would use her as a backup/runner up if my main bot dev does not work on the bot idea I had.

If it was made clear that it was not guaranteed, yet they still accepted those conditions. That's on them. That's their risk they undertook willingly.

If it wasn't made clear. That would be on you. As you may have been leading them on in false hope.

 

[Satan]

Bumping this suggestion, a certain mod has ruled my reputation report invalid and is allowing "time waste reps" to be allowed.

 

[DarkKnights22]

102, gg

 

[Sloth]

This is just one of many things that needs to be clarified with the reputation system. I really hope the system gets overhauled and the staff team sets out more clear and concise requirements/restrictions for leaving reputation.

 

[Maddy]

Why the fuck hasn’t this even been moved to accepted or denied