All warnings should have an expiry.

[Maddy]

As to what Justis has said, I agree that all warnings should have an expiry. To be fair and unbiased, I am not going to go into detail about my specific warnings.

Even if some of the larger ones, that aren't detrimental (like DOX, Reselling a Resource, etc.) should be expireable after 2-3 years time at most. People make dumb mistakes, but that shouldn't result in a permanent ban @ 75 points. (I have 18k Shoutbox messages, you think I won't slip up every once in a while? Violet with 16k can say the same- using this as an example and am not trying to be biased.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

edit; I worded myself wrong. I wanted to say in the second paragraph that very detrimental warnings should be kept, especially DOXing a user or giving out personal information.

edit2: after reading Chearful ‘s response, they put this better than I did:

All warnings should expire. And it should be backdated to all existing warnings too (especially on rules that are no longer rules - never understood that one).

It's been suggested countless times. It is clearly what the community wants. If MCM is not implementing this, then it is not acting in the interests of the community. The community will move elsewhere once it realises that the administration does not care. This suggestion currently sits at 50 agrees in less than 24 hours. That should say a lot to the administration reading this.

As said in the original post, yes - people do make mistakes. Why should they pay for their mistakes 3+ years on? Especially on minor (<=10 points) stuff. It's like the daily MCM downtime we had a few years back or the crazy backlog of support/scam reports. We was (albeit forced) to forgive MCM for these things. Isn't it right that MCM forgives the community - the very community that the forum depends on to be successful? Like yes, stuff like DOXing, scamming (incl. reselling w/ out rights etc) should remain unexpirable or otherwise bannable offences but there is no reason for minor mistakes made long ago to continue to be counted on a user's record. Many warnings issued to users, I'd argue, are made during the user's first few months of being on the site where they are still getting used to settling in. The staff team has never understood how to take a joke even when it is blindingly obvious and so yes, warnings really are issued falsely on the contrary to what the administration would like to think.

It's about time that the community was listened to and their ideas implemented. Rather than the staff team focusing on "how can we punish our users to make our community dissipate quicker than we can say 'punish the users'?", it should focus on "how can we give our community the best experience possible?"

 

[EpicFooF]

I have already made a suggestion about this and mick moved it to pending half a year ago: https://www.mc-market.org/threads/463629/

I am very unsure of when this is going to happen, IF it's going to happen.

 

[User]

there are/were singular warnings that were over 30 points.

the current 75 points system will be good if this is implemented

iirc the only punishment over 30 points is doxing/ddosing other users, which I personally think is a suitable ban reason.

 

[asa]

iirc the only punishment over 30 points is doxing/ddosing other users, which I personally think is a suitable ban reason.

no, the rule against time wasting was/is an absurd about of points

 

[Justis]

The community will move elsewhere once it realises that the administration does not care. This suggestion currently sits at 50 agrees in less than 24 hours. That should say a lot to the administration reading this…

You know four staff members agreed to this suggestion even before you did?
Moreover, this wasn’t even Maddy’s idea. It’s restating a suggestion that Maddy saw me make in a different one, which he felt should have its own thread.

As EpicFooF has already pointed out, this is already accepted and in pending.
The biggest issue here is merely our trouble with getting features developed fast enough to keep up with the suggestion forum.

It's about time that the community was listened to and their ideas implemented. Rather than the staff team focusing on "how can we punish our users to make our community dissipate quicker than we can say 'punish the users'?", it should focus on "how can we give our community the best experience possible?"

Constantly attempting to separate the community into staff vs normal users, and painting MCM as evil vs good is both wrong, demoralizing to the entire team who’s doing what they can to help the community that they love and are as much a part of as everyone else, and encourages those of self interest to grasp hold of the victim card you’re offering them, and widen the divide for false empathy, attention, and disruptive commotion.

Every member of our staff team is someone who saw problems and wanted to be a part of solving them for the community that they value and want to see thrive.

Every member of our staff team was once a normal user. They were told that they were both a victim and part of the solution, up until they accepted an invitation to join the team and help resolve the problems the community faces. At which point they start being told that they are the one creating victims, a part of the problem, and act only with ill intent, self interest, or ignorance.

Joining our community’s staff team doesn’t make them evil though.
They’re just normal users with a red tag and a few extra buttons, doing everything they can for their peers, even though the voices of irritation and resentment will always burn hotter and drown out those of appreciation.

Please consider it.

 

[Kuzni]

I feel like some people are looking at this suggestion in the wrong way. While I agree all warnings should expire, some people are blaming their stupidity on the system being flawed.

Sorry for singling people out here but:
http://prntscr.com/pjni4z

Yes it should expire, yes it's not a horrible offense but maybe just read the rules? It saves everyone's time. The site even prompts you to read the rules when you sign up so the argument I didn't know it was against the rules, well... that's your fault, it should have been prevented in the first place using common sense and reading the rules when told to.

Another example:
http://prntscr.com/pjnlkp

Warning points not expiring isn't to blame for you having those points, IT'S YOU NOT READING THE RULES.

This statement is what makes me think people are taking the suggestion the wrong way.
http://prntscr.com/pjnnt6

No, it's not at all bias punishing people for not reading and or following the rules that are so easily accessible. Yes, it's harsh to have them there for life but it is in no way bias to constantly punish users who are constantly breaking the rules. If they are constantly being punished then they are constantly breaking rules which is in no way what this suggestion is about.

Ally has brought up what I consider to be one very good point, and one point that is extremely silly.
https://prnt.sc/pjnq04

The first point made by null is that warning points that don't expire make it hard to not get banned, especially for "OG" members. Well see I would like to consider myself as an OG member, and how many warning points do I have? One. It's not the warning points that get you banned, IT'S YOU. The warning points are only repercussions to your actions. If you reach 75 warning points it simply means that you've broken rules on multiple occasions, who should be blamed for that? Yourself for breaking the rules very many times or the system for not accepting that you might have changed. You should have changed after the 35 warning points but no, you kept ongoing and that's your fault.

However the second point null came up with is very good, anyone with low warning points can easily disregard rules with the promise that one day they'll be free of charge for it. They can break the rules all the way up to 74 points, wait till they've expired and go right back to the way they used to be.


Yes I do think warnings should expire, no I don't think people should BLAME them having warning points on the fact they don't expire, but the fact they didn't follow the rules.

 

[500miles]

yes

 

[Ally]

Ally has brought up what I consider to be one very good point, and one point that is extremely silly

Before calling me out, actually try to understand the point that I made. It is much harder to not get banned because of the lack of expiry, than with newer members. That's because of the expiry, or lack thereof. Members are still accountable and I never said anything contrary to that.

 

[Kuzni]

Before calling me out, actually try to understand the point that I made. It is much harder to not get banned because of the lack of expiry, than with newer members. That's because of the expiry, or lack thereof. Members are still accountable and I never said anything contrary to that.

The point that I was making is that “OG” or not doesn’t define a difference in warning points, it’s how you conduct yourself, being OG has no factor in this, like I said, I’m OG with one warning point, meaning that if you have warning points it’s simply your fault, no one is punishing you for being OG they’re punishing you for breaking the rules

 

[nfdegreu3i23r22r]

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yes

Excuse me?

You got 2 warning points for that I was helping alt shops out by making websites with my friend and I got 5 warning points for that

 

[Flipora]

Hear me out, it’s a crazy idea but I think I’ve cracked the code for this. Just maybe, if only maybe, respect the marketplace you’re dealing on and not break the rules? I don’t know guys, this seems to be a really tough solution.

idk man i see your point and it seems really self explanatory when you say it but some of the rules on this site are really dumb and are enforced in weird ways

 

[Clown]

swearing, spamming,

yeah thats some very important rule breaks lets ban people who swear on chatbox instead of focusing on scam reports or something

 

[lammel]

If this is implemented Dropset & C a l l u m might get unbanned.

I agree 100%

 

[Maddy]

If this is implemented Dropset & C a l l u m might get unbanned.

I agree 100%

And Croc

 

[Lotus]

So trolling in SB 15 times is worth a permanent ban, even if the person is consistent and contributes regularly?
Or advertising a competitor - one word - at the age of 12 (see my thread) is worth 46% of a ban?

These things should have expiry dates and in their current state are designed as if the staff team ENJOYS punishing people. Do you?

It's never enjoyable to issue a punishment that only garners negative reactions from all parties, ever. Plenty of verbal abuse from disgruntled users is given to staff members who warn members... that's how it's always been.

I've said that I agree with expiry dates for old violations, but "trolling in the SB 15 times" when they've clearly been warned on the first issuance otherwise is just blatant ignorance. You can't expect to not respect the rules of this website, then expect that despite the repeated offenses, you should be scot-free.

 

[User]

nope
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Is that mentioning the site? Or literally "GO USE (site) IT'S SO MUCH BETTER THAN MCM MCM IS TRASH!!!)