All warnings should have an expiry.

[Maddy]

As to what Justis has said, I agree that all warnings should have an expiry. To be fair and unbiased, I am not going to go into detail about my specific warnings.

Even if some of the larger ones, that aren't detrimental (like DOX, Reselling a Resource, etc.) should be expireable after 2-3 years time at most. People make dumb mistakes, but that shouldn't result in a permanent ban @ 75 points. (I have 18k Shoutbox messages, you think I won't slip up every once in a while? Violet with 16k can say the same- using this as an example and am not trying to be biased.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

edit; I worded myself wrong. I wanted to say in the second paragraph that very detrimental warnings should be kept, especially DOXing a user or giving out personal information.

edit2: after reading Chearful ‘s response, they put this better than I did:

All warnings should expire. And it should be backdated to all existing warnings too (especially on rules that are no longer rules - never understood that one).

It's been suggested countless times. It is clearly what the community wants. If MCM is not implementing this, then it is not acting in the interests of the community. The community will move elsewhere once it realises that the administration does not care. This suggestion currently sits at 50 agrees in less than 24 hours. That should say a lot to the administration reading this.

As said in the original post, yes - people do make mistakes. Why should they pay for their mistakes 3+ years on? Especially on minor (<=10 points) stuff. It's like the daily MCM downtime we had a few years back or the crazy backlog of support/scam reports. We was (albeit forced) to forgive MCM for these things. Isn't it right that MCM forgives the community - the very community that the forum depends on to be successful? Like yes, stuff like DOXing, scamming (incl. reselling w/ out rights etc) should remain unexpirable or otherwise bannable offences but there is no reason for minor mistakes made long ago to continue to be counted on a user's record. Many warnings issued to users, I'd argue, are made during the user's first few months of being on the site where they are still getting used to settling in. The staff team has never understood how to take a joke even when it is blindingly obvious and so yes, warnings really are issued falsely on the contrary to what the administration would like to think.

It's about time that the community was listened to and their ideas implemented. Rather than the staff team focusing on "how can we punish our users to make our community dissipate quicker than we can say 'punish the users'?", it should focus on "how can we give our community the best experience possible?"

 

[Maddy]

I just disagreed to pop off im on the side of the agreed people tho!

What

 

[Lotus]

Or you can sell 4x $15 Netflix cards for 20 points each

Hear me out, it’s a crazy idea but I think I’ve cracked the code for this. Just maybe, if only maybe, respect the marketplace you’re dealing on and not break the rules? I don’t know guys, this seems to be a really tough solution.

 

[Glove]

Hear me out, it’s a crazy idea but I think I’ve cracked the code for this. Just maybe, if only maybe, respect the marketplace you’re dealing on and not break the rules? I don’t know guys, this seems to be a really tough solution.

people on here do respect the marketplace and the rules on here are a lot more stiff than any other forum which gets other people tripped up, But me posting in the chatbox in 2017 with 3 messages in a row should not influence a future ban for me (example) but many other people are in the same boat. Im 1 point away from a ban with 3 different warnings giving me points from 2017

 

[Lotus]

people on here do respect the marketplace and the rules on here are a lot more stiff than any other forum which gets other people tripped up, But me posting in the chatbox in 2017 with 3 messages in a row should not influence a future ban for me (example) but many other people are in the same boat. Im 1 point away from a ban with 3 different warnings giving me points from 2017

The solution seems to be to have expirable warnings, which I am in agreement with, and not removing the 75 warning point threshold, which was what I was disagreeing with.

 

[Maddy]

The solution seems to be to have expirable warnings, which I am in agreement with, and not removing the 75 warning point threshold, which was what I was disagreeing with.

I’m not saying to remove the threshold, as if users can go a few years (expiry date of warnings) without reaching 75, then they should be allowed to stay within the community and have most likely matured within that time.

 

[DarkKnights22]

Justis implement this!

 

[Joshua C]

I actually do force the removal of permanent ban on 75th points, I think a 1 month ban or suspension will really work greatly in place.

 

[Chearful]

All warnings should expire. And it should be backdated to all existing warnings too (especially on rules that are no longer rules - never understood that one).

It's been suggested countless times. It is clearly what the community wants. If MCM is not implementing this, then it is not acting in the interests of the community. The community will move elsewhere once it realises that the administration does not care. This suggestion currently sits at 50 agrees in less than 24 hours. That should say a lot to the administration reading this.

As said in the original post, yes - people do make mistakes. Why should they pay for their mistakes 3+ years on? Especially on minor (<=10 points) stuff. It's like the daily MCM downtime we had a few years back or the crazy backlog of support/scam reports. We was (albeit forced) to forgive MCM for these things. Isn't it right that MCM forgives the community - the very community that the forum depends on to be successful? Like yes, stuff like DOXing, scamming (incl. reselling w/ out rights etc) should remain unexpirable or otherwise bannable offences but there is no reason for minor mistakes made long ago to continue to be counted on a user's record. Many warnings issued to users, I'd argue, are made during the user's first few months of being on the site where they are still getting used to settling in. The staff team has never understood how to take a joke even when it is blindingly obvious and so yes, warnings really are issued falsely on the contrary to what the administration would like to think.

It's about time that the community was listened to and their ideas implemented. Rather than the staff team focusing on "how can we punish our users to make our community dissipate quicker than we can say 'punish the users'?", it should focus on "how can we give our community the best experience possible?"

 

[gorman]

I shouldn't still have points counting against me from over 2 years ago :tup: thank you for coming to my ted talk

 

[Cleora]

+69 I recently got reported for 'disturbing the peace' because I publicly exposed someone on here and HE DIDN'T LIKE IT, so he reported me and got me in trouble rather then people facing the truth- anyway, I fully support this and believe semi dumb reports for neg rep should be removed over time. Like, if you where toxic a year ago and haven't been reported in months/years, it should be removed as you change as you get older, and wiser. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[Krispycubes]

As to what Justis has said, I agree that all warnings should have an expiry. To be fair and unbiased, I am not going to go into detail about my specific warnings.

Even if some of the larger ones, that aren't detrimental (like DOX, Reselling a Resource, etc.) should be expireable after 2-3 years time at most. People make dumb mistakes, but that shouldn't result in a permanent ban @ 75 points. (I have 18k Shoutbox messages, you think I won't slip up every once in a while? Violet with 16k can say the same- using this as an example and am not trying to be biased.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic. [/fa]

edit; I worded myself wrong. I wanted to say in the second paragraph that very detrimental warnings should be kept, especially DOXing a user or giving out personal information.

edit2: after reading Chearful ‘s response, they put this better than I did:

Preach!!

 

[Bitconnect]

One thing I will say is a lot of people join this site at a young age (eg. 15). As the years pass they grow older and hopefully wiser, so 2-3 years down the line they are full legal adults. They make way less mistakes and break way less rules than before - but still have their past mistakes on their MCM profile/record. So, when/if they do make another mistake, they are just that much closer to a full-on perm ban for it.

 

[MinecraftNinja]

As to what Justis has said, I agree that all warnings should have an expiry. To be fair and unbiased, I am not going to go into detail about my specific warnings.

Even if some of the larger ones, that aren't detrimental (like DOX, Reselling a Resource, etc.) should be expireable after 2-3 years time at most. People make dumb mistakes, but that shouldn't result in a permanent ban @ 75 points. (I have 18k Shoutbox messages, you think I won't slip up every once in a while? Violet with 16k can say the same- using this as an example and am not trying to be biased.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic. [/fa]

edit; I worded myself wrong. I wanted to say in the second paragraph that very detrimental warnings should be kept, especially DOXing a user or giving out personal information.

edit2: after reading Chearful ‘s response, they put this better than I did:

Agreed

 

[asa]

i have points going back almost 4 years.
some of the warnings aren’t justified and a lot are just there from when I was super toxic and immature.

 

[MPD]

As to what Justis has said, I agree that all warnings should have an expiry. To be fair and unbiased, I am not going to go into detail about my specific warnings.

Even if some of the larger ones, that aren't detrimental (like DOX, Reselling a Resource, etc.) should be expireable after 2-3 years time at most. People make dumb mistakes, but that shouldn't result in a permanent ban @ 75 points. (I have 18k Shoutbox messages, you think I won't slip up every once in a while? Violet with 16k can say the same- using this as an example and am not trying to be biased.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

edit; I worded myself wrong. I wanted to say in the second paragraph that very detrimental warnings should be kept, especially DOXing a user or giving out personal information.

edit2: after reading Chearful ‘s response, they put this better than I did:

I accidently did a "react to enter" giveaway not knowing it was against the rules.

 

[User]

few of these replies are a bit funny but that's ok
Would suggest the warning points threshold to be changed to something along the lines of 30 points within a year. 75 points over 4 years is not much, and that's demonstrated by members of the community such as Zelda or Croc getting banned for warning point accumulation when they were very clearly trustworthy, knowledgeable, and honestly rather friendly in most cases.

 

[asa]

few of these replies are a bit funny but that's ok
Would suggest the warning points threshold to be changed to something along the lines of 30 points within a year. 75 points over 4 years is not much, and that's demonstrated by members of the community such as Zelda or Croc getting banned for warning point accumulation when they were very clearly trustworthy, knowledgeable, and honestly rather friendly in most cases.

there are/were singular warnings that were over 30 points.

the current 75 points system will be good if this is implemented

 

[nfdegreu3i23r22r]

I 100% agree with this thread. I haven't received any warnings since Apr 14, 2018 which is 548 days from now but.
It's never going to expire and if I mess up and make a mistake I'm gone over a mistake nearly two years ago.

 

[MrAniman2]

If we look at the wiki page we can see that points for some of the minor rule breaking already expires... ( https://www.mc-market.org/wiki/warnings/ ) maybe the list could be expanded with couple more rules for which the punishment would expire after 1y+ but other than that I personally feel the warning system is decent.

I definitely would not want to see warning points expire for rules such as selling the product you don't have rights to sell, resource leaking, swearing, spamming, etc.

I have been member of this community for more than 5 years and I still haven't got any warning points... while I absolutely agree anyone can unintentionally slip once or twice but if you use common sense accumulating 75 warning points seems to me fairly hard to do...