Automatically delete banned users' reputation and resources

[Justis]

Heya,

I suggested the resource section of this suggestion a while back to Bebos in private conversation; however, I'll repeat it now, to the community as well as our new administration.

Resources by banned members are deleted when found by resource moderators.
This is a poor system, and should simply be automated, since the criteria is so obvious, in order to improve consistency in our resources, and avoid having to look back constantly, or rely on user reports to get these removed in a decent time frame.

A schedule should be made which will go through all of the resources of each user who has been banned for; let's say two weeks, and delete them.
This gives users who's accounts have been compromised a chance to get access to their account back before their resources get removed and they have to contact a resource mod to restore them.

As I said, we already remove resources by banned members manually; but in case it's not obvious as to why, it's because downloaders cannot receive product support from them via our website anymore, and since our resources serve only as a platform for other people's business, we cannot 'take the reigns'. Therefore, for our active users' safety, the resources are removed.

Reputation by banned members should also be removed.
Reputation is supposed to be a representation of the community's attitude towards a certain member.
Banned members are no longer any part of our community; and are often removed because of an issue with their attitude.
Clearing the reputation they've given from our community's profiles will result in a more accurate gauge of our current community's feelings towards a certain member; and limit abuse by alts and butt-buddy rep gangs on other members.

Thanks for your time and consideration; happy holidays.

 

[Justis]

Why is it that nobody seems to care that we would be keeping a banned members' stuff on this forum, making use of it, distributing the content, after having booted them out?
Then if they wanted their resource details modified or deleted so they could maintain ownership over THEIR product, they'd have to create a new account and specifically ask for us to remove THEIR product from the site they were banned on, because we felt like we had the moral right to keep their stuff after kicking them out.
It's not right. We shouldn't even consider separating control over a product from it's owner in the first place. It's a horrible attitude, and I don't see it as an option.

 

[buildblox]

Justis how about just remove them from public view? In that case, if a user is unbanned, you can easily restore it.

 

[Justis]

Justis how about just remove them from public view? In that case, if a user is unbanned, you can easily restore it.

That's already the case.
We don't actually hard delete any data.

All 'deleted' resources can be restored at any time.
There is no risk of losing your resources or it's data if you are banned and your resource is deleted. If you ever get unbanned, you can always request it's return.

 

[buildblox]

That's already the case.
We don't actually hard delete any data.

All 'deleted' resources can be restored at any time.
There is no risk of losing your resources or it's data if you are banned and your resource is deleted. If you ever get unbanned, you can always request it's return.

Then I don't see a problem in making the process automated; it would save valuable time for moderators.

 

[Mick]

I'll move this to pending for us to get an automated system for in the future, or until we change our policy on this in our next announcement to do it manually

Thanks for the suggestion Justis, and for everyones useful input.

 

[utaninja]

Players -rep players before getting banned. I agree!

 

[Tank]

This should be accepted already

 

[Mick]

This should be accepted already

It is pending development. We're getting resource updates done first.

 

[utaninja]

What if someone gets banned unfairly and gets unbanned like Diz?

 

[Lyphiard]

What if someone gets banned unfairly and gets unbanned like Diz?

Then the reputation will simply be un-deleted.

 

[Ivain]

nvm

 

[O-T]

I totally agree with this maybe also delete all messages too

So delete messages that have probably provided a reply? So if someone that provided very useful answers got banned, then we'd loose all those useful answers and people will go around asking the same questions all the time.

 

[Ivain]

So delete messages that have probably provided a reply? So if someone that provided very useful answers got banned, then we'd loose all those useful answers and people will go around asking the same questions all the time.

Agreed. The only thing in this suggestion I REALLY argree with is the reputaiton.
The resources should remain available to those who purchased them (at least temporarily, warning all people that purchased them that they'll be deleted soon), and messages should remain. if they contain useful information, they should stay, and if they are shitting on someone's thread then them being banned discredits almost anything they say.

 

[ZACK]

Just because theyre Banned doesn't mean they don't have an opinion, removing +reps/-reps from them is stupid.
Disagreed.

 

[Justis]

Just because theyre Banned doesn't mean they don't have an opinion, removing +reps/-reps from them is stupid.
Disagreed.

Them having an opinion is irrelevant.
Why? Because so is their opinion.

If you want to collect a bunch of banned members' opinions about you, your signature is a great place for that.
However, a majority of MC-Market users don't care if you've got a vouch from some banned members that thought you were cool right up till they went and violated our TOS to such a degree that they've been banned from ever using our site again.
Keeping it in reputation is misleading to our users.
The ability to give reputation is a privilege, and an act of trust from the staff team and the rest of the site onto a member to give honest and reliable reviews about the people they experience.
Once you're banned, that privilege is lost; and so is that trust.

Yes, there are absolutely a few banned members who probably gave some genuine vouches.
However, they still violated our site's TOS, put here to protect all of you, and that's no one's fault or responsibility but their own.
They forfeit the reliability of their reputation as well as their character when they got themselves banned.

But the most important thing here.
More than anything else...
Those with more vouches from banned members than negative rep may not care, but realize how absolutely broken it is...
That if you get rep from a member and they get banned. You will never ever be able to get that reputation removed.
You will never be able to work it out with them, improve their opinion, or maybe you do, but they still can't update it.
Reputation of a banned member, even assuming their character is spotless, is broken, because they can no longer keep it updated. Whether that be to make it positive, remove it, make it negative. They can't. It's locked at an old opinion that can no longer reflect the present.
That is why no matter what, keeping banned member's reputation cannot be allowed.

 

[ZACK]

Them having an opinion is irrelevant.
Why? Because so is their opinion.

If you want to collect a bunch of banned members' opinions about you, your signature is a great place for that.
However, a majority of MC-Market users don't care if you've got a vouch from some banned members that thought you were cool right up till they went and violated our TOS to such a degree that they've been banned from ever using our site again.
Keeping it in reputation is misleading to our users.
The ability to give reputation is a privilege, and an act of trust from the staff team and the rest of the site onto a member to give honest and reliable reviews about the people they experience.
Once you're banned, that privilege is lost; and so is that trust.

Yes, there are absolutely a few banned members who probably gave some genuine vouches.
However, they still violated our site's TOS, put here to protect all of you, and that's no one's fault or responsibility but their own.
They forfeit the reliability of their reputation as well as their character when they got themselves banned.

But the most important thing here.
More than anything else...
Those with more vouches from banned members than negative rep may not care, but realize how absolutely broken it is...
That if you get rep from a member and they get banned. You will never ever be able to get that reputation removed.
You will never be able to work it out with them, improve their opinion, or maybe you do, but they still can't update it.
Reputation of a banned member, even assuming their character is spotless, is broken, because they can no longer keep it updated. Whether that be to make it positive, remove it, make it negative. They can't. It's locked at an old opinion that can no longer reflect the present.
That is why no matter what, keeping banned member's reputation cannot be allowed.

I still disagree, sorry.

 

[Justis]

I was once perma banned due to my cousin getting banned and I logged onto my computer from his house. It took me months to get unbanned so unfortunately I disagree.

We have plans to log reputation so that the information is never lost even after deletion.
Once this is implemented, say you were banned again, it would be able to be restored as quickly as making a support request.

When there's a problem, don't accept no solution as an answer. Improve the current state of things.

 

[Justis]

Is there a way to hide the thread from all members except the staff member? That could be an alternative.

That's currently what we do to threads; though threads weren't the suggestion here. It was reputation and resources.

This suggestion has already been implemented for resources, and yes, they are restorable, and viewable by staff.
We're working on the rep bit still. The addon doesn't support this yet.