Beer vs Elapsed

[FoundYourFlow]

i was wondering why everyone says Elapsed is better, if someone wouldn’t mind giving the pros and cons of beer and why Elapsed is better.

 

[Ome_R]

I am not sure about ElapsedSpigot, but I've seen a couple of times big servers (600~ players online) running BeerSpigot with 19.8 TPS. I can't give you cons and pros as I haven't bought neither of the jars, but I hope it helps somehow

 

[Headshot]

Alright, I think I should add my own opinion in here and ignore all this weird drama.
I'm not going to list the cons of BeerSpigot I think either people know or it has been talked about here, and I don't want to just get attacked by these weird cult followers that roam this marketplace.. But you know, people are entitled to their own opinions.

Some of the things you might like about Elapsed:
- The cannoning with Elapsed is arguably flawless.
- I have seen myself hopper lag being minimized greatly using the jar. The people claiming that it doesn't work are either using a leaked version or are doing something wrong (Or I could just be completely wrong, please show me or if you own Elapsed please talk to us instead of just silently keeping the issues to yourself?)
- Spawners no longer cause any issues at all and I consider the mob stacking to actually massively help with lag issues (Apparently Eric doesn't think so but it could be because of older versions of the jar not giving the mob stacker enough care)
- Liquid is MASSIVELY improved with the jar and other things like sponge mechanics
- The jar is extremely configurable and we try to make any feature fully customizable in order to support a bigger range of servers.
- The support in my opinion is extremely good, and I hope everyone that has bought the jar is taking advantage of it. As far as I know all the people that have purchased the jar and are actually reporting any issues are having the best experiences with the jar. Please keep in mind that your experience with the jar may be different depending on the plugins, the specs of your machine or any other variables added to the mix. The support is going to help you just tell us your issue and if you're nice enough even if it ends up not being an issue with Elapsed, we may help you discover the issue and figure out how to fix it.

 

[Rack5]

Alright, I think I should add my own opinion in here and ignore all this weird drama.
I'm not going to list the cons of BeerSpigot I think either people know or it has been talked about here, and I don't want to just get attacked by these weird cult followers that roam this marketplace.. But you know, people are entitled to their own opinions.

Some of the things you might like about Elapsed:
- The cannoning with Elapsed is arguably flawless.
- I have seen myself hopper lag being minimized greatly using the jar. The people claiming that it doesn't work are either using a leaked version or are doing something wrong (Or I could just be completely wrong, please show me or if you own Elapsed please talk to us instead of just silently keeping the issues to yourself?)
- Spawners no longer cause any issues at all and I consider the mob stacking to actually massively help with lag issues (Apparently Eric doesn't think so but it could be because of older versions of the jar not giving the mob stacker enough care)
- Liquid is MASSIVELY improved with the jar and other things like sponge mechanics
- The jar is extremely configurable and we try to make any feature fully customizable in order to support a bigger range of servers.
- The support in my opinion is extremely good, and I hope everyone that has bought the jar is taking advantage of it. As far as I know all the people that have purchased the jar and are actually reporting any issues are having the best experiences with the jar. Please keep in mind that your experience with the jar may be different depending on the plugins, the specs of your machine or any other variables added to the mix. The support is going to help you just tell us your issue and if you're nice enough even if it ends up not being an issue with Elapsed, we may help you discover the issue and figure out how to fix it.

I'll reply to that retard tomorrow dw abt him he's seen the screenies himself he just posted that to pretend that he grew balls.

 

[Rack5]

For one, BeerSpigot has perfect cannoning. If you actually buy the spigot (not using the sabotaged leaked version), you won't have issues. Whenever people have come to me with issues, it's always either plugins or a poor configuration. Every time they come to me they leave with perfect cannons. So, if you have actually bought the jar and you need help you can either use the support discord or DM me directly. I can guarantee that cannoning mechanics on the jar are flawless, regardless of what people like LST are trying to say. Stop lying about my jar please.

Your broken jar was literally running on CannonNetwork. Nothing worked for shit, please don't make me go through the logs of every single person msging me about your jar. Look at it this way, most of my customers are people that have already tried your jar and need something much better, and (most likely) NONE of your customers are people who have purchased BeerSpigot after purchasing ElapsedSpigot. Here's a quality meme though:

First you call bs on the async TNT (which by the way, an ElapsedSpigot dev was the original creator of) for OneShotMC and then you say "I'll forward these messages to my calc teacher". :rofl: Your cannoning has always been shit and I've known for a fact you've spent days either trying to help them or ignore them and nothing came out of it. After 8 months, yeah, you probably got it working, good job? :rofl:

No, we have never taken anything from elapsed. This jar came way before elapsed was even made so idk why he's trying to make those claims. Feel free to show the proof, nothing in BeerSpigot is from Elapsed.

Actually, ElapsedSpigot was made before the existence of BeerSpigot, exclusively for 1-2 servers, it only became available to the public after BeerSpigot. However, even if you were to ORIGINALLY make the product before another product, that does not imply in any way that you did not take ideas or code from them after the release of the other product(s). Here's proof regardless.

You first took one thing, and then you took another, and THEN you try decompiling it.:rofl:

These servers that called it so "shit" also wanted to buy source to it. Dunno why you'd want to buy the source of a shit jar but whatever you say buddy. MineSaga had a shit factions release which was nothing to do with the spigot, so don't put the blame on us. Decimate had a custom jar with a custom API for their plugins which is why they had to stop using BeerSpigot. Pretty pathetic that you're trying to lie about our jar like that.

Every big server buys source, don't act like they want to buy the source of BeerSpigot because of how "amazing" it was. I've had multiple people buy source without purchasing the actual jar before hand. I've mentioned nothing of Decimate, but regardless, they purchase my source, when they clearly didn't purchase yours, lmfao. Minesaga used your jar on factions for TWO days, TWO. Yet I see on your thread that it says "used by MineSaga". :rofl: If they wanted to, they could have used your jar for their Skyblock as well, but they contacted ME about ElapsedSpigot instead of using BeerSpigot.

The license server was hacked over a year ago by you and your developers and the issue was fixed and more security was added since then. Nice job admitting to that btw. You're pathetic lol. Also, nobody has been and ever was affected by it, which is why it wasn't announced publicly.

I never mentioned my involvement in anything, not sure where you got that I'm "admitting" anything from. You're the only pathetic one here, allowing your clients to get hacked. People were affected, and possibly still are. What you were told was only one problem to fix. :rofl:

BeerSpigot still gets sales so idk what you're talking about. My two spigots are completely different and have completely different optimizations. I didn't reuse code.

No one said you do not get sales, I said you do not get nearly as much as you would get from making a new jar. Instead of providing your customers that already run Skyblock and other similar gamemodes optimizations, you create a new jar using old optimizations and adding in new ones exclusively for that jar, it's quite funny. Here's proof of you not making nearly as much as you did before:

Like I said, I didn't take anything from Elapsed. I already have a jar that's better than yours anyways so I have no need for it.

I'm sure you didn't, that's why you purchased ElapsedSpigot via someone else and decompiled it. I'm sure that's why you go around taking my ideas. I'm sure that's why you're trying to convince everyone "FishSpigot" is better when it initially flopped when your original customer for it bought ElapsedSpigot instead. I'm sure that's why you lie about the optimizations ElapsedSpigot has. :rofl: Some delusional clown, honestly.

False. I have never lied about your spigot. Provide the proof.

First, there is the proof in the images above. I do have more. Here's you, talking shit about me behind my back in your little corner and then you continue to ban the poor guy sticking up to defend me from your discord, claiming that the service does not come with the jar, pathetic. :rofl:

You do this too bud.

No, I really don't. I don't cry to my customers when I get a reality check about how I'm the best and how every competitor is shit, lmfao.

We have everything we claim to have. Like I said previously, it usually is a plugin issue and everyone who comes to me for help leaves with perfect cannons. I have 5x the amount of clients as you and my spigot is also less than half the price, so I have lots of people with pretty poor setups and lower budgets coming to me for help. Lots of times people have plugin and configuration issues.

Basically what I'm trying to say is BeerSpigot has all around optimizations and it does have flawless cannoning mechanics. I can help you to configure the jar and fix your plugin issues if you do have any. I'm tired of people lying about the jar saying it's broken and has issues. If you've actually bought the jar and it has issues, PM me. I have yet to receive any new messages regarding issues with the jar. Stop saying the jar is bad when you haven't even bought it. Thanks.

I will agree with you that when most people come to you, it usually IS a plugin issue, but it clearly wasn't in your previous cases, but maybe it was later on and more recently.

I have yet to receive any new messages regarding issues with the jar.

You know this isn't true yourself, most my customers to this day are still ex-BeerSpigot users.

EDIT: As you can see, Diz is clearly a good person and easy to talk with, he didn't mind have a productive discussion with his competitors. This has nothing to do with Diz in any way, all of this is directed towards Beer.

 

[Rack5]

Cannon Network used this jar like 9 months ago and since then it's been significantly improved. You're so desperate to make BeerSpigot look bad that you go that far back LOL....

The calc thing was a joke if you couldn't tell lol. I was busy doing work for that class and I joked around about it. Decide deleted all his messages with me but you can see it here lol: http://prntscr.com/olu7rz. And uh no I usually get people's plugin issues fixed pretty fast. Also, unlike you don't need 3 developers to make a half decent spigot.

Anndddddd what did that screenshot prove? That I saw you had an optimization so I decided to make something similar if not better? That's how competition works buddy.

They asked to purchase source but I told them I wasn't selling it. That's why they didn't buy it genius. MineSaga wouldn't use BeerSpigot for their skyblock because isn't a skyblock jar. I probably wouldn't use BeerSpigot on skyblock either. I'd use something that better accommodates that gamemode. They were using it for factions which is why it's on the thread title. Stop complaining.

You clearly know a lot about my license server and the issue. Stop trying to act like you're not involved lol. Everyone knows you are and you've already admitted to it.

It's just business.

We already cleared this all up in private and now you bring this up in public. I know plenty of people who have purchased your spigot who have also purchased mine. Like I told you before (and Diz literally said he made a mistake and told you this same thing) I paid one of your clients to allow me to test the spigot and look through to see if you were lying. Not once was I ever sent your spigot. Nobody would send a licensed spigot to someone else when there's only like 20 customers lol. When they looked through they couldn't find a lot of the things you claimed to have, one of those being async hoppers. If I had the jar you would've seen an alert on your licensing system by now. Oh and just to address having an "original client", Decide wanted to buy the spigot originally but it was never made exclusively for him lol. I started making it before he wanted a custom jar.

You don't even have the full story what lol. He was being toxic in the support discord so we banned him. It wasn't just me that he was annoying. That discord is a privilege lol. Idk why that has any relevance to this either.

I'm not lying about this, I promise lol.

I really can't stand your lies and your effort to push them, lmfao. I'll reply properly when I get on my pc.

 

[IOJustin]

Where does one find ElapsedSpigot?

 

[manny]

tl;dr Rack5 epic coder

 

[Rack5]

Cannon Network used this jar like 9 months ago and since then it's been significantly improved. You're so desperate to make BeerSpigot look bad that you go that far back LOL....

They used your jar for nine months because they didn't have an alternative, lmfao. As I've said, it's probably improved after 8 months, not sure why you're re-iterating it. However, you were trying to deny the history of your product. It only improved recently. I'm not desperate, I am supporting my point which you tried denying.

The calc thing was a joke if you couldn't tell lol. I was busy doing work for that class and I joked around about it. Decide deleted all his messages with me but you can see it here lol: http://prntscr.com/olu7rz. And uh no I usually get people's plugin issues fixed pretty fast. Also, unlike you don't need 3 developers to make a half decent spigot.

You completely ignored the point that was made. Nothing there was a plugin issue, it was an issue with your jar, are you still in denial like you were eight months ago? I don't NEED three developers, I'm not sure where the amount of developers even came from. We are all equally skilled as each, we don't NEED one another. Regardless, I have been the sole developer of ElapsedSpigot for over half of a year, that's a sorry excuse for the lack of quality in your jar. Also, please do not imply with that statement that it takes 3 of us to amount to the skill level that you are at, we are individually each at the very least twice as skilled as you, don't even try taking that route, lmfao.

Anndddddd what did that screenshot prove? That I saw you had an optimization so I decided to make something similar if not better? That's how competition works buddy.

"Similar if not better", no, you made exactly that optimization, it's only 3 lines of code, you just have to find it in the source. Don't act like it's anything complex that you can make better, it's either there or not. That screenshot proves that you take ideas from ElapsedSpigot, which you denied and asked me to provide proof of, and I did.

They asked to purchase source but I told them I wasn't selling it. That's why they didn't buy it genius. MineSaga wouldn't use BeerSpigot for their skyblock because isn't a skyblock jar. I probably wouldn't use BeerSpigot on skyblock either. I'd use something that better accommodates that gamemode. They were using it for factions which is why it's on the thread title. Stop complaining.

I'll stop complaining when you take "used by MineSaga" when it was only used for two days and hasn't been used on there for months out of your title, genius. Also, this is what I mean about making new jars. Again, it's not something that's against the rules, it's just shit for your customers and a bit shady that you make new jars instead of putting the optimizations in your current jar to make more money.

ou clearly know a lot about my license server and the issue. Stop trying to act like you're not involved lol. Everyone knows you are and you've already admitted to it.

That video clearly shows me denying any involvement. Being friends or co-developers with people does not make you inherently involved in what they do, lmfao. You got hacked, you willingly sent the source, and I was sent the source, that's all.

It's just business.

A shady way of doing business. Was Decide getting doxed also a part of your "business"? I know you're going to deny this, but the timing and the reasons listed in the dox are too convenient for it not to be you or someone you got. Whatever though, I have no proof it was you.

We already cleared this all up in private and now you bring this up in public. I know plenty of people who have purchased your spigot who have also purchased mine. Like I told you before (and Diz literally said he made a mistake and told you this same thing) I paid one of your clients to allow me to test the spigot and look through to see if you were lying. Not once was I ever sent your spigot. Nobody would send a licensed spigot to someone else when there's only like 20 customers lol. When they looked through they couldn't find a lot of the things you claimed to have, one of those being async hoppers. If I had the jar you would've seen an alert on your licensing system by now. Oh and just to address having an "original client", Decide wanted to buy the spigot originally but it was never made exclusively for him lol. I started making it before he wanted a custom jar.

No, we never cleared anything up. All I remember from that chat was one of your fanboys deepthroating you until he got proof shown of what really goes on behind the scenes. :rofl: You can justify what was said however you want, but the fact is, Diz said that. "They" couldn't find half of the shit because I use paramorphic obfuscation. Exclusively or not, your first-to-be customer purchased ElapsedSpigot instead.

You don't even have the full story what lol. He was being toxic in the support discord so we banned him. It wasn't just me that he was annoying. That discord is a privilege lol. Idk why that has any relevance to this either.

I have people that are toxic and annoying as well, but I do not go around kicking or banning them from the discord. The discord should not be a privilege, that only sounds like an excuse you came up with to justify banning or kicking someone. It has relevance because your jar should come with support, you're clearly cutting off support when you exclude them.

I'm not lying about this, I promise lol.

Again, all I'm saying is that, to this day, most of my customers are ex-BeerSpigot customers yet (probably) NONE of your customers are ex-ElapsedSpigot customers. You can derive whatever conclusion you wish from that, that's just the fact.

Where does one find ElapsedSpigot?

https://www.mc-market.org/threads/480567/

tl;dr Rack5 epic coder

Indeed.

 

[Rahul.]

Keep arguing i love it

 

[Scifi]

Beer Spigot Is Terrable (Factions Wise) Cannons Completely Break, Cubic Fusions Kill Them Selfs, Carpet Comps Kill Them Selfs (Somehow) , Literally Cant Handle a 3 Sec Without Killing Its self. Elapsed Is the better alternative by far.

 

[VapingPenguin]

The skids out here not using FactionSpigot. What a shame.