COVID-19 lockdowns: for or against?

COVID-19 lockdowns:

  • I am for lockdowns

    Votes: 54 63.5%
  • I am against national lockdowns, but for local lockdowns/restrictions

    Votes: 18 21.2%
  • I am fully against any type of lockdown

    Votes: 13 15.3%

  • Total voters
    85
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In light of second lockdowns, and a debate I had in the chatbox, I wanted to see public opinion on MCM in regards to lockdowns as a method of preventing/delaying infection.

I will present reasons for lockdowns and reasons against lockdowns but you are entitled to comment your opinion below. All opinions should be backed up with evidence if you want to make a concise, clear and valued point. I am against lockdowns but for localised approaches - so I may be biased in this post.

AGAINST LOCKDOWNS

The social impacts of COVID-19 lockdowns is apparent and cannot be argued against. You have felt it yourself. Not being able to see friends and family. Not being able to enjoy yourself at hospitality or leisure venues. This has lead to a rise in mental health cases and suicides/suicidal thoughts (refs: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4095, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54616688). Should we sacrifice young people (who are disproportionately affected by the lockdowns) for the sake of delaying the inevitable deaths that will be caused by the pandemic?

The economic impacts of COVID-19 lockdowns is extreme. Though public health should be prioritized over protecting the general economy, without an economy we do not have a societal structure. The whole system collapses. GDP in the UK fell by the largest amount ever recorded in history (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...se-charts-unprecedented-history-a9562326.html). With a recession comes job cuts and businesses closing, this leads to unemployment and then onto mass unemployment. When this happens, you have a problem because this leads into a spiral effect. More mass unemployment means less money circulates less and people buy less, with people buying less, more job cuts are made, with job cuts made more people lose their job, with more people losing their job it returns to the first point. This all-in-all leads to homelessness, food insecurity and water insecurity, all to prevent a few deaths from a virus that generally only kills those over 65 and with underlying health conditions. This can lead to deaths - isn't the case for lockdowns to prevent deaths?

FOR LOCKDOWNS

Though social impacts are apparent, it can actually help social relations with your household. I know for certain my relationship with my mother improved over the course of the first UK lockdown. As a family, we became closer. (Ref: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-unexpected-benefits-of-a-world-in-lockdown-11985708)

Additionally, lockdowns can prevent deaths - though the majority of deaths will simply happen a later date, some deaths can be prevented due to the lower risk of infection - and less deaths is never a bad thing. It helps spread the peak of deaths over a longer period of time.

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I'd like to hear your opinion on lockdowns and why you are for/against them - scientifically or personally. Please also vote on the poll.

This post does not at all have every single reason for and against, but I highlighted the main reasons that in my opinion are important to consider. I personally think governments should centralise their approach to protect the vulnerable. Herd immunity (at the present time) is possible and it can kick in at even 30% of the population having antibodies due to the lower chance of infection. Every person that has antibodies reduces the chance of another person being infected. Once herd immunity has been reached in the general population (of whom have an exponentially lower risk of dying from the virus, and 99.9% of the time have a mild case) it will be safe to release the vulnerable into general society. A virus dies out by itself when herd immunity comes into play.
 
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I believe there would've been more effective methods if it didn't get so out of hand to begin with. But I'm all for it now.
What other effective methods do you think would have worked if used at the beginning of the pandemic? Why are you for lockdowns now?
 

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Places like New Zealand & most of the middle east prevented the disease from entering the country in the first place. It's a preventative measure to ensure that you don't need a lockdown to begin with.
I agree, but nearly all countries in the world have had cases of coronavirus even when they closed borders immediately. This is due to the nature of the virus itself: you do not get symptoms until days after infection - during the period of you being asymptomatic, it is thought you can still transmit the virus to others through aerosol and surfaces. Do you think that lockdowns, when immediately implemented at beginning of having cases confirmed would have been more effective?
 

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I mean to be honest, You have a 1% chance of death, I'm personally not too worried about getting covid at all as it'll just be like any other flu or cold i've had. In the 46.6M world wide cases, only 1.2M have died. But lockdowns are not a bad decision by any means
Exactly my thought - and not all cases have been picked up. The mortality of COVID-19 is very low. Extremely low for people under 65. https://img.apmcdn.org/0ba6732a800b...pped/adb0d4-20200311-coronavirus-charts01.png
 
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Lockdowns should not be mandated by any federal, state, or local government. Cost-benefit principle: Do economic recessions and increased suicidal/anxious thoughts really outweigh that of a virus? The mortality rate for younger people is extremely low, and I just don't see the benefits outweighing the costs. If someone is so worried about their well-being and chances of catching COVID (Hello, ages 65+), then they can make the conscious choice to stay at home-- but do not impose that choice on everyone.
 

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I don't believe that local lockdowns (city, county, or state wide) are effective at this point. There are examples of states that have reopened hastily and have suffered a spiked rebound of covid19. If a national lockdown can be simulated / backed by data driven evidence to reduce the spreading of covid 19. During today with the US, the argument of herd immunity (due to the virus eliminating so many of the population and having infect so many with a handful of survivors) may be made, but I won't listen to that personally unless it is, again, simulated / backed by data driven evidence. Most preferably outside of any political influence...
 

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Lockdowns should not be mandated by any federal, state, or local government. Cost-benefit principle: Do economic recessions and increased suicidal/anxious thoughts really outweigh that of a virus? The mortality rate for younger people is extremely low, and I just don't see the benefits outweighing the costs. If someone is so worried about their well-being and chances of catching COVID (Hello, ages 65+), then they can make the conscious choice to stay at home-- but do not impose that choice on everyone.
100% agree with you.

I don't believe that local lockdowns (city, county, or state wide) are effective at this point. There are examples of states that have reopened hastily and have suffered a spiked rebound of covid19. If a national lockdown can be simulated / backed by data driven evidence to reduce the spreading of covid 19. During today with the US, the argument of herd immunity (due to the virus eliminating so many of the population and having infect so many with a handful of survivors) may be made, but I won't listen to that personally unless it is, again, simulated / backed by data driven evidence. Most preferably outside of any political influence...
The whole idea of vaccines relies on herd immunity, so it must exist - otherwise why would countries be pumping billions into it?
 

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The whole idea of vaccines relies on herd immunity
I agree. However we don't have a readily released and widely accessible vaccine yet. Thus, I am speaking in the context of today, which I don't believe has a vaccine that qualifies for both criteria. Herd immunity without the presence of this miraculous vaccine is simply not enough to stop the lethality of this infectious disease.
 

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I agree. However we don't have a readily released and widely accessible vaccine yet. Thus, I am speaking in the context of today, which I don't believe has a vaccine that qualifies for both criteria. Herd immunity without the presence of this miraculous vaccine is simply not enough to stop the lethality of this infectious disease.
Sure, but once 50% of the population has antibodies, the virus will go in retreat. Unless all of the vulnerable-to-infection are in one place at the same time.
 

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The lockdown is prevent me from being fully emerged in my college because of restrictions. Fuck the lockdown, it's only preventing the inevitable while people leave this world without even knowing we're going to make it through..
 

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The state/local government should NOT have the power to destroy your livelihood or cripple your ability to work or operate a business. End of story. Especially for a national lockdown, that is to much power to be wielded.

Seeing how abhorrent Europe is getting with their lockdowns makes me appreciate living in the U.S. even more with the freedoms and limits of government we have in place. In Paris right now, you literally cannot leave your property without government papers that permit you to otherwise. These lockdowns are draconian and are a disgusting power grab.

I suppose most of the people on here that voted in favor of lockdowns are too young to feel/understand the effects of a lockdown on their livelihood. Im sure they’d have a much different point of view if you had a mortgage, and a wife and kids to feed. Also temporary unemployment income is not the answer if that’s what you will rebuttal with. (And no I don't have a family or kids, but I can sympathize with those who do)
 
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