Don't Trust Any* Reputable Member on MCM.

[pieguy]

Due to the rapid increase in "exit scams" from highly reputable members, I have decided to create this thread to all newer or inexperienced members.

It has come to my concern that users stay on MCM for a few months, build up some positive ratings and buy a few accounts or $5 items, make a newer user go first to them in a transaction, and then scam. A prime example is Jurhed, who claimed to be the #1 most reputable user on MCM and guess what happened? Scammed for $500. Pathetic. Don't go first to any user with a high valued item, either deal in smaller increments (50% up front, 50% after) or just don't deal on MCM. Don't go first to #1 person in ratings, don't go first to me, don't even go first to the owner of MCM.

Thus, I would like every new user that uses PayPal to know the golden rule: Buyer ALWAYS goes first. The buyer has much more power than the seller in every way, with the usual chargeback nonsense and the sort.

*Don't trust any reputable member on MCM that isn't a 100% legitimate member that deals $xxxx normally and wouldn't be tempted to scam for as little as $500 or something. Users such as Nighterblde (that's his username on Skype) or Arcrimonia (stat1c.. on Skype) would be happy to MM, perhaps with a small fee. A last note- this thread should only apply in high value items. Highly reputable members shouldn't feel tempted to scam for $20, that would be just improbable, though I'm sure it has happened before.

Thanks,
Erik - a noob who got scammed $xxx amount from "highly reputable" users on MCM.


P.S. - For those of you who think that I'm telling reputable members to always go first to new members, I'm not. It's up to you to select who you deal with, not me. Basically, beware of who you go first to and always try to use a "safer" method of 50/50 or MM.

 

[Icyyyy_]

Thank you for making this thread! I now know to watch out for scammers. Hopefully I don't get targeted because of my ratings.

 

[Magnemite]

Yes. When MCM members decide to leave, they usually scam large amounts. I suggest going first to reputatable members for small amounts always let the buyer go first. Don't even trust middleman as they can just as easily exit scam. What Jurhed did was pathetic and he will be forgoten and looked down on.

 

[Doge]

1 user isn't really a "rapid increase" I've seen like 5 or so in the last 4 months, half of which were shady to begin with. Also, the middleman thing makes no sense (love how you put your friends as reputable middlemen, one of which has DDoSed MCM and multiple users and has multi accounted and is banned. Very mature and professional) But that's besides the point. The point is, if a middleman is a trusted user like any other, who's to say they won't scam both parties? And don't go first to people with reputation? Reputation is the only thing to show your trust, having a reputable member go second is dumb. You can never be sure of anyone honestly. But who is more likely to scam, a regular member or a trusted member? Jurhed is an anomaly and represents the 1% of reputable members that decided to scam. It's like saying don't step outside because you might get hit by a meteor or don't go in the ocean because a shark could eat you. It's possible but unlikely.

 

[Speed]

Cough cough Strike Jurhed Flap cough cough I don't trust anyone on this shit

 

[Brazy]

I knew I was never trusted.

 

[pieguy]

1 user isn't really a "rapid increase" I've seen like 5 or so in the last 4 months, half of which were shady to begin with. Also, the middleman thing makes no sense (love how you put your friends as reputable middlemen, one of which has DDoSed MCM and multiple users and has multi accounted and is banned. Very mature and professional) But that's besides the point. The point is, if a middleman is a trusted user like any other, who's to say they won't scam both parties? And don't go first to people with reputation? Reputation is the only thing to show your trust, having a reputable member go second is dumb. You can never be sure of anyone honestly. But who is more likely to scam, a regular member or a trusted member? Jurhed is an anomaly and represents the 1% of reputable members that decided to scam. It's like saying don't step outside because you might get hit by a meteor or don't go in the ocean because a shark could eat you. It's possible but unlikely.

Okay, so I will refute each of your arguments one by one chronologically. I hope you don't take this to offense.

1. 1 user isn't a rapid increase? Let's name off a list: Jurhed, SinncereTV, SSenile, Drunk, Wild, Poppeh, Simba, TentacruelMP, Flaming, Puritay, etc.
All of these users have hundreds of posts and decent ratings, and are banned for either scamming or have scammed in the past 2 months. 2 of them have actually scammed me.

2. Middleman? I specifically told users to: "don't go first to me" in my post AND I never listed me has a trusted MM in my post. If you can't read, not my problem. To add on to it, Nighterblde was banned not for scamming, but for "Community Harassment", a slightly idiotic reason since Narakavi and others have only been temp-banned for the exact same reason (but it's not in my place to argue over his ban, so I won't push for his unban). I also probably deal more in money than you have, as I'm pretty sure all you do is go around trashing my threads instead of actually buying stuff. Therefore, since $500 is a "small" transaction for me, I wouldn't scam for it, whereas you MAY. Obviously I doubt you will, I'm just using you as an example. To add on, even if Nighterblde isn't "mature" or "professional", he's definitely trusted, as he has MM trades up to over $3000 before. If you need proof, contact me in PM.

3. You're right, you can never be sure of anyone. However, the buyer always goes first, no matter if you're trusted or not. The buyer has the power to chargeback and easily win in the case of a scam (if you're incompetent with charging back, that's not my problem). I'm only saying that in large transactions that there should be a 50% up front, then send item, then 50% later. I never said the reputable user always has to go first.

All in all, most of your points have been all refuted, though some bring valid reason. There is no way to be 100% sure of a legitimate transaction, but I am merely trying to help out the community. You on the other hand seem to want to trash every one of my posts. Do you think I spent 15 minutes of my own time just to make fun of reputable members? No, I did it because I know how it feels to be scammed by "reputable" members.

 

[Doge]

The reason for my "sarcastic immature statement" previously was because I didn't like your condescending tone and didn't feel like replying any more.

1. I see your point, but those users were fairly new and were not really trusted. On mcm rep isn't post count or rating it's on word of mouth throughout the community on how trusted and respected a user is. The only actual trusted users that scammed recently were Bloob, jurhed, strike and amaraone (and maybe a few others) They were here for a decent amount of time and were trustworthy. amaraone and strike I thought were shady from the beginning though.

2. True, he may be legit but the DDoS thing was offputting to me personally. And he's banned, so he has nothing to lose. But I've never dealt with him so I can't know for sure.

3. Okay, I see what you're saying. Large amounts of money. That makes more sense now. The 50 50 thing for large amounts is good. (Being serious)

I apologize if it seems like I was trashing your posts. I just hate when people constantly say negative things about everyone when it is not necessary. Your tone in this post was much better than previously and I think better of you now.

 

[pieguy]

The reason for my "sarcastic immature statement" previously was because I didn't like your condescending tone and didn't feel like replying any more.

1. I see your point, but those users were fairly new and were not really trusted. On mcm rep isn't post count or rating it's on word of mouth throughout the community on how trusted and respected a user is. The only actual trusted users that scammed recently were Bloob, jurhed, strike and amaraone (and maybe a few others) They were here for a decent amount of time and were trustworthy. amaraone and strike I thought were shady from the beginning though.

2. True, he may be legit but the DDoS thing was offputting to me personally. And he's banned, so he has nothing to lose. But I've never dealt with him so I can't know for sure.

3. Okay, I see what you're saying. Large amounts of money. That makes more sense now. The 50 50 thing for large amounts is good. (Being serious)

I apologize if it seems like I was trashing your posts. I just hate when people constantly say negative things about everyone when it is not necessary. Your tone in this post was much better than previously and I think better of you now.

Glad we could resolve it. Last thing though, has anyone ever actually have proof of Nighterblde DDoS'ing MCM or is it just a rumor? Personally, I don't think there would be anything for Night to gain from DDoS'ing.

 

[Doge]

Glad we could resolve it. Last thing though, has anyone ever actually have proof of Nighterblde DDoS'ing MCM or is it just a rumor? Personally, I don't think there would be anything for Night to gain from DDoS'ing.

I don't know for sure, but I believe I saw a post by either Mick or Verringer a while back saying he was banned for harassment, part of which included DDoS.

 

[Resilience]

Tbh this post literally makes it easier to scam reputable members if you think about it, it's way more likely that someone with 0 rep scams than someone with high rep/vouches/whatever the fuck we are calling it now.

 

[Doge]

Just wondering what did each of those people do? Specially amaraone and strike because you say those two where the shady ones.

amaraone used his trust to make up a bogus "money making method" that supposedly could bring in $100 a day. He charged $100 a pop and promised a refund if it didn't work. Of course he made up excuses and in the end ran off with the money. If it's too good to be true, don't buy it.

Strike also started selling ebooks which I thought was shady and later scammed a few CSGO knives. He earned trust by doing graphics which I must admit looked nice.

I should add Drunk.

I never trusted him from the start as he seemed very immature and always asking for large "investments" He later had a multi account which he said was his brother and was trying to get people to pay for a fake sniper. I don't know if he actually scammed anyone or was stopped before he could.

 

[montyburly]

I agree with Doge on this one (except for the negative comment about Nighterblde ^_^). Jurhed is the first 1000 rep member that I know of who has scammed. I don't know all of the people you mentioned (Jurhed, SinncereTV, SSenile, Drunk, Wild, Poppeh, Simba, TentacruelMP, Flaming, Puritay), but I do know most of them. Though people like SSenile had lots of rep, it was easy to see he was not really trustworthy from the way he acted. He constantly flamed people, acted like a child, and was out of control. Regardless of how much rep he had, I don't think anyone should trust someone like that. Amaraone is another person who had high rep and acted suspicious. He was always conducting shady deals and trying to worm his way out of scams. I was wary of him from the start because of the way he acted.

I can't say the same for the other people on that list because I don't recognize some of them. That should prove something in itself as well. Jurhed was very well-known in the community. I'm sure pretty much everybody on this site would recognize the name Jurhed, but would everybody recognize the name TentacruelMP or Flaming? I don't think so.

Also, Jurhed had over 1,000 rep. *All* (correct me if I'm wrong) of the other people you mentioned had under that. So it can be said that 1000-rep members are a lot more trusted than a 500-rep or below member.

You have a point that you shouldn't trust anyone when doing deals that involve a lot of money. I follow that rule myself. Nara and I have never made a transaction of over $100, and when we did we made sure we conducted the deal with people we felt could be trusted 100%. That wasn't just based on their rep, that was based on the way they act and the influence they have in the community. I would never buy something from almost anyone on this site for even $50, it's just too risky to me because you never know when someone will change and scam you out of something. Basically you just need to use common sense when conducting deals. No rules, no guides, and no middlemen can prevent you from being scammed in the end. It's really just up to the people doing the deal to protect themselves and make sure that they're being smart about the transaction they're making.

 

[Resilience]

Inb4 every member on the most reputable list comments LOL

 

[GardnerGamer]

Just wondering what did each of those people do? Specially amaraone and strike because you say those two where the shady ones.

Strike got banned for DDos threats to users.