LOL SAW SAME THREAD MY BAutomatic weapons to my knowledge are already banned or heavily restricted in pretty much all states.
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Stop watching CNNLOL SAW SAME THREAD MY B
Unfortunately we can’t ban those with mental disabilities from owning firearms. They’re protected by the constitution just like every other citizen.
Firearms are an amazing thing. You can never change my though on firearms. The only reason it is considered a bad thing is because the media only reports on the bad things that happen with them and never the good things. You ever heard about that one kid 11 year old kid who protected his 6 year old sister by hiding in a closet with a gun and not even a bullet was fired from the kid, just the face that he had a gun scared off the intruders. Most likely not because it was only covered by a small amount of media. Gun control will solve as much as the war on drugs did. There will always be a way to get a gun illegally no matter how hard you try to keep it out. You can easily find deep web links to buy guns for the UK, which has one of the strictest gun laws. As well with brazil, very very very strong gun laws and there are cartels going around with guns in favelas like its just a normal day.
Seeing all the replies, I can tell this will be the unpopular opinion, but fuck it. Here goes.
The ability to use nuclear weapons don't kill anyone. Don't think I want everyone to have access to nuclear weapons either.
Things don't kill people on their own, sure, but that doesn't mean everyone should have access to it.
I totally understand the whole self defense thing. But the fact that the US, the country where it's possible for almost anyone to legally obtain a firearm, is the country where firearms are misused the most, and at a larger scale, than anywhere else, clearly shows that there is a big problem.
No other country has a school shooting once a week (or however often it actually is, doesn't matter, it happens way too often, and way more frequently than anywhere else)
And even if the person that legally obtains the firearms doesn't misuse them, it allows a family member, or somebody else, to take it and misuse it.
Yes, anyone can get their hands on a firearm illegally, if they really want. But it's much more complicated, much more of a hassle, much more of a risk, and much less convenient. Having guns readily available everywhere makes it too convenient to misuse them.
To my knowledge, all automatic rifles and/or firearms are banned. If guns don't kill people, why should fully automatic rifles not be allowed? People are the problem, not the guns, right? So lets give everyone fully automatic rifles, and tanks, and nuclear weapons. Because weapons don't kill people.
I'm no gun expert. I do not own a gun, and never have I, and never will I. In fact, I'm not even from the US, so sure, call me biased or whatever. But please explain why there's so many children dying from school shootings, only in the US, if firearms are not a problem.
Here's a wiki of all US school shootings. It's a long list.
I can't claim I've done extensive research on the amount of kids being saved by citizens' firearms in relation to the amount killed by them, but my guess would be that there's vastly more kids killed and injured by firearms than there are being saved by them.
Once again, why does all this only happen in the US? If people are the problem, then I guess the US citizens are just nuts?
P.S. I don't understand anyone saying "I will never change my mind on this"
Debates and solutions require open minds.
Instead of having your opinion engraved in stone, let's have an open and healthy debate..
Tanks don't kill anyone on their own, that said, I don't think I want everyone to have access to tanks.
The ability to use nuclear weapons don't kill anyone. Don't think I want everyone to have access to nuclear weapons either.
Things don't kill people on their own, sure, but that doesn't mean everyone should have access to it.
I totally understand the whole self defense thing. But the fact that the US, the country where it's possible for almost anyone to legally obtain a firearm, is the country where firearms are misused the most, and at a larger scale, than anywhere else, clearly shows that there is a big problem.
No other country has a school shooting once a week (or however often it actually is, doesn't matter, it happens way too often, and way more frequently than anywhere else)
And even if the person that legally obtains the firearms doesn't misuse them, it allows a family member, or somebody else, to take it and misuse it.
Yes, anyone can get their hands on a firearm illegally, if they really want. But it's much more complicated, much more of a hassle, much more of a risk, and much less convenient. Having guns readily available everywhere makes it too convenient to misuse them.
To my knowledge, all automatic rifles and/or firearms are banned. If guns don't kill people, why should fully automatic rifles not be allowed? People are the problem, not the guns, right? So lets give everyone fully automatic rifles, and tanks, and nuclear weapons. Because weapons don't kill people.
I'm no gun expert. I do not own a gun, and never have I, and never will I. In fact, I'm not even from the US, so sure, call me biased or whatever. But please explain why there's so many children dying from school shootings, only in the US, if firearms are not a problem.
Here's a wiki of all US school shootings. It's a long list.
Are there 11 year olds saving people with guns once a week? There's a school shooting once a week.
I can't claim I've done extensive research on the amount of kids being saved by citizens' firearms in relation to the amount killed by them, but my guess would be that there's vastly more kids killed and injured by firearms than there are being saved by them.
Once again, why does all this only happen in the US? If people are the problem, then I guess the US citizens are just nuts?
P.S. I don't understand anyone saying "I will never change my mind on this"
Debates and solutions require open minds.
Instead of having your opinion engraved in stone, let's have an open and healthy debate..
Seeing all the replies, I can tell this will be the unpopular opinion, but fuck it. Here goes.
Tanks don't kill anyone on their own, that said, I don't think I want everyone to have access to tanks.
The ability to use nuclear weapons don't kill anyone. Don't think I want everyone to have access to nuclear weapons either.
Things don't kill people on their own, sure, but that doesn't mean everyone should have access to it.
I totally understand the whole self defense thing. But the fact that the US, the country where it's possible for almost anyone to legally obtain a firearm, is the country where firearms are misused the most, and at a larger scale, than anywhere else, clearly shows that there is a big problem.
No other country has a school shooting once a week (or however often it actually is, doesn't matter, it happens way too often, and way more frequently than anywhere else)
And even if the person that legally obtains the firearms doesn't misuse them, it allows a family member, or somebody else, to take it and misuse it.
Yes, anyone can get their hands on a firearm illegally, if they really want. But it's much more complicated, much more of a hassle, much more of a risk, and much less convenient. Having guns readily available everywhere makes it too convenient to misuse them.
To my knowledge, all automatic rifles and/or firearms are banned. If guns don't kill people, why should fully automatic rifles not be allowed? People are the problem, not the guns, right? So lets give everyone fully automatic rifles, and tanks, and nuclear weapons. Because weapons don't kill people.
I'm no gun expert. I do not own a gun, and never have I, and never will I. In fact, I'm not even from the US, so sure, call me biased or whatever. But please explain why there's so many children dying from school shootings, only in the US, if firearms are not a problem.
Here's a wiki of all US school shootings. It's a long list.
Are there 11 year olds saving people with guns once a week? There's a school shooting once a week.
I can't claim I've done extensive research on the amount of kids being saved by citizens' firearms in relation to the amount killed by them, but my guess would be that there's vastly more kids killed and injured by firearms than there are being saved by them.
Once again, why does all this only happen in the US? If people are the problem, then I guess the US citizens are just nuts?
P.S. I don't understand anyone saying "I will never change my mind on this"
Debates and solutions require open minds.
Instead of having your opinion engraved in stone, let's have an open and healthy debate..
I attribute that statistic to the general deterioration of US society. AFAIK gun laws were much more relaxed in the 1940's-90's and the number of shootings like this were much lower/pretty much non-existent. So you would be correct in assuming that US citizens are nuts.
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Didn't look it up, but I'd guess that the population was also lower in 40s-90s. It would make sense for the amount of incidents to rise along with population numbers.
If enough of the population is this nuts, isn't that just more reason to not allow firearms?
Another reason that's in my opinion likely to contribute to the high amount of shooting incidents in the US, is the way that media portraits the shooters. The media basically idolizes the shooters, plastering their name everywhere. Basically makes them famous, a name to remember.
I would imagine that contributes to it.
I'm a person, who knows a few people, who knows even more people. Here's the thing, banning guns doesn't do jack shit, cause I can get a nice glock-17 for around $1000 off of the streets. That gun didn't come from someone legally buying said gun. No, it was smuggled. Now tell me, I come to your house, and I have said gun, you, on the other hand can't legally own one(if guns were banned)
and I went to kill you. What do you do?
(Staff this is NOT A THREAT I REPEAT NOT A THREAT THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION)
Not everyone knows how to, not everyone would 'dare' to, not everyone would bother to, go through the process of obtaining a firearm illegally.
And you'd be less likely to do this in "the heat of the moment". If you have a firearm readily available, you're much more likely to get carried away in the heat of the moment, and do something you'd later regret. If you have to go through a lengthier, more expensive, more unknown way of obtaining the firearm, you'd have more time to cool down, and think straight again.
Those who plan to kill, yes, trust me, if they are bent on killing any number of population will indeed obtain a gun albeit any manner they can.
Those who kill, for without reason, are mentally *fucked* and they won't think straight until they get help, and those who kill, probably won't get that help in time.
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Seeing all the replies, I can tell this will be the unpopular opinion, but fuck it. Here goes.
Tanks don't kill anyone on their own, that said, I don't think I want everyone to have access to tanks.
The ability to use nuclear weapons don't kill anyone. Don't think I want everyone to have access to nuclear weapons either.
Things don't kill people on their own, sure, but that doesn't mean everyone should have access to it.
I totally understand the whole self defense thing. But the fact that the US, the country where it's possible for almost anyone to legally obtain a firearm, is the country where firearms are misused the most, and at a larger scale, than anywhere else, clearly shows that there is a big problem.
No other country has a school shooting once a week (or however often it actually is, doesn't matter, it happens way too often, and way more frequently than anywhere else)
And even if the person that legally obtains the firearms doesn't misuse them, it allows a family member, or somebody else, to take it and misuse it.
Yes, anyone can get their hands on a firearm illegally, if they really want. But it's much more complicated, much more of a hassle, much more of a risk, and much less convenient. Having guns readily available everywhere makes it too convenient to misuse them.
To my knowledge, all automatic rifles and/or firearms are banned. If guns don't kill people, why should fully automatic rifles not be allowed? People are the problem, not the guns, right? So lets give everyone fully automatic rifles, and tanks, and nuclear weapons. Because weapons don't kill people.
I'm no gun expert. I do not own a gun, and never have I, and never will I. In fact, I'm not even from the US, so sure, call me biased or whatever. But please explain why there's so many children dying from school shootings, only in the US, if firearms are not a problem.
Here's a wiki of all US school shootings. It's a long list.
Are there 11 year olds saving people with guns once a week? There's a school shooting once a week.
I can't claim I've done extensive research on the amount of kids being saved by citizens' firearms in relation to the amount killed by them, but my guess would be that there's vastly more kids killed and injured by firearms than there are being saved by them.
Once again, why does all this only happen in the US? If people are the problem, then I guess the US citizens are just nuts?
P.S. I don't understand anyone saying "I will never change my mind on this"
Debates and solutions require open minds.
Instead of having your opinion engraved in stone, let's have an open and healthy debate..
I've already done 1 essay on how gun control wont work and doing another one due in a couple of weeks.
I do have an open mind on topics but every reason ever brought up has been already used or is a dumb reason
Of course, it'll always be like that, everyone knows that, and I don't think anyone disputes that, but that's not all there is to firearms being used for bad purposes.
I think it's not everyone who has your knowledge. And I don't think everyone would 'dare' to venture into buying a firearm illegally, if it's not something they're familiar with.
I think a big part of the problem is that it's too easy to go do something stupid. It's too convenient, firearms are too readily available.[DOUBLEPOST=1575089776][/DOUBLEPOST]
Go over the points raised by me and other people, then explain why they are "dumb reasons". Automatically shaking them all off with the excuse of them being "bad reasons" without even attempting to give a valid reason for them being stupid, is stupid. You likely haven't even read half the posts on the thread.
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If you can tighten border security with Mexico, you can greatly reduce or potentially eliminate illegal firearms. Well, maybe not eliminate but more likely gradually deplete the supply of illegal firearms in the United States. It’s not the hard, they just have to do it.
It will stop once we get to a conclusion which is never lul. Banning guns wont do anything you're basically defenseless against the people who can get them illegally.
Dont get me wrong here, Firearms are good and bad. Before you shit on me please read the entirety of this. Anyways, a pistol for instance (I know there are many types) NON AUTOMATIC! Is a very good in between. It is a realistic weapon for self defense but not for mass murder. No explain to me why you need a AR-15. Dont say hunting, with hunting you would use a semi-auto rifle, not a automatic. Also not for self defense, if no one has them it is not to worry you have lesser fire power! If anything the reason police/military should, is to have superior fire power. If they are AR VS AR its a 50/50 or less. They want to have much more power in major incidents. Should Ar's be on sale publicly to anyone? NO. Should they be completely destroyed and banned is another story. If you go to the shooting range and want to shoot a AR-15 I am all for it, rent it there, but no need for it to be out on the streets. AUTOMATICS ARE A WEAPON OF MASS CHAOS! This is just my opinion if you would like to debate, just quote/reply to me
I brought my mom to a shooting range. Her accuracy with the pistol is moderate at best. She would misfire 7 out of 8 rounds. With an AR, all her shots were on target.
my point here being that the reason people buy ARs is because they are more stable and more consistent (it is much steadier). Pistols require a lot of skill to use and considering that my mother misfired so many rounds, I think I’d rather have her hold an AR to defend herself from an oncoming attacker than have a pistol that may injure herself because she can’t really use it well.
keep in mind ARs are semi automatic. No automatic weapons are on the market! What is on the market are some borderline legal customisers that can make your semi automatic close to an automatic. And that is what I think shouldn’t be on there. The rest however is fine.
Anyone who makes the point:
- "Someone who wants a gun to kill people will get it even if you can't get it legally"
is backwards. Just because you can obtain something illegally doesn't mean you should make it legal because they'll do it anyway.
How many shootings do you hear of in England? 2 since 2010.
How many shootings in America? A metric tonne more in 2019 alone.
Now you can sit there and say it's your 'god given right' and you can sit there and say that you 'need it to protect yourselves', but I think the point makes itself clear that making something available to everyone increases the number of crimes related to it.
References: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019 , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2010s_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom
- "Someone who wants a gun to kill people will get it even if you can't get it legally"
is backwards. Just because you can obtain something illegally doesn't mean you should make it legal because they'll do it anyway.
How many shootings do you hear of in England? 2 since 2010.
How many shootings in America? A metric tonne more in 2019 alone.
Now you can sit there and say it's your 'god given right' and you can sit there and say that you 'need it to protect yourselves', but I think the point makes itself clear that making something available to everyone increases the number of crimes related to it.
References: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019 , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2010s_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom
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