Firearms - Good or Bad?

[Sloth]

Anyone who makes the point:

- "Someone who wants a gun to kill people will get it even if you can't get it legally"

is backwards. Just because you can obtain something illegally doesn't mean you should make it legal because they'll do it anyway.

How many shootings do you hear of in England? 2 since 2010.
How many shootings in America? A metric tonne more in 2019 alone.

Now you can sit there and say it's your 'god given right' and you can sit there and say that you 'need it to protect yourselves', but I think the point makes itself clear that making something available to everyone increases the number of crimes related to it.

References: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019 , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2010s_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom

I don’t disagree with your first statement, but England has its own problems that we typically don’t deal with. England has terror attacks with attackers using knives, cars, and bombs. Yesterday there was a terror attack on the London bridge where an officer used a gun to stop the attacker wielding a knife.

This just goes to show that people who want to cause violence are going to find a way to do so, even without a firearm. At what point are we as a society going to stop blaming the objects used in these horrible incidents and instead blame the individuals who commit these crimes.

It’s also worth mentioning that mass shootings weren’t really a normal concept before the early 2000s. I believe that this has to do with the current generation of Americans and how they view mental health as a whole.

Also, don’t use Wikipedia to cite anything. I could go in there and say that Martin Luther King committed a mass shooting for shits and giggles

 

[undoneacc]

I don’t disagree with your first statement, but England has its own problems that we typically don’t deal with. England has terror attacks with attackers using knives, cars, and bombs. Yesterday there was a terror attack on the London bridge where an officer used a gun to stop the attacker wielding a knife.

This just goes to show that people who want to cause violence are going to find a way to do so, even without a firearm. At what point are we as a society going to stop blaming the objects used in these horrible incidents and instead blame the individuals who commit these crimes.

It’s also worth mentioning that mass shootings weren’t really a normal concept before the early 2000s. I believe that this has to do with the current generation of Americans and how they view mental health as a whole.

Also, don’t use Wikipedia to cite anything. I could go in there and say that Martin Luther King committed a mass shooting for shits and giggles

Except you can google each of the Wikipedia entries and find they are valid - you're using the common trope of everything on Wikiepedia is false to backup your statement.

And yes, the guns aren't the ones killing, the people are. But if you give someone a knife, it's a lot harder to commit mass acts of terror than if you give someone a gun.

Ah yes, it's not the objects it's just the people ... Let's give everyone a nuke because they can kill people with knives! See, no. Your argument is dumb. When it's easier, people do it more.

 

[Sloth]

Except you can google each of the Wikipedia entries and find they are valid - you're using the common trope of everything on Wikiepedia is false to backup your statement.

And yes, the guns aren't the ones killing, the people are. But if you give someone a knife, it's a lot harder to commit mass acts of terror than if you give someone a gun.

Ah yes, it's not the objects it's just the people ... Let's give everyone a nuke because they can kill people with knives! See, no. Your argument is dumb. When it's easier, people do it more.

And is your argument any more sound? A nuke cannot go off without someone to launch it, a firearm cannot be discharged without a person there to pull the trigger, and so on. At the end of the day we can argue about this topic till the end of time but the guns are here to stay and people are just gonna have to get over it.

 

[SeaPvP]

easier to get a gun than a passport and a pet lmao

 

[undoneacc]

And is your argument any more sound? A nuke cannot go off without someone to launch it, a firearm cannot be discharged without a person there to pull the trigger, and so on. At the end of the day we can argue about this topic till the end of time but the guns are here to stay and people are just gonna have to get over it.

Yes, so you're saying it's people that pull the trigger. Lessen the amount of triggers they can pull and the crime is less. Look at any source, any statistic - more people are killing with guns in America than people are by any other intentional means in England. You can put the ratios equal too, and it's still more. You're saying guns aren't the problem but statistically, they are.

 

[Hanzkoch]

Guns can be used to shoot up a a school,or liberate a continent.So they can be good or bad.The problem is keeping them out of the hands of people who want to do damage