Let's talk about Gun Control!

[Severingcastle8]

If you really think about it half the guns that are used to kill/threaten people are more than likely not even legal, and are imported illegally.. So I mean if they take away our guns the people will be able to get guns illegally and we wont be able to protect ourselves.

 

[Red]

The constitutional (assuming the 2nd amendment is irrelevant) removal of guns in the most armed nation is literally impossible. Look at the buyback programs in various shithole Democrat cities, they can only get back old antiques or hi points. The only way to effectively remove all guns in the US is to do it by force which will not happen so you anti-Americans should talk about a different solution.

Ah, here it is! Cal, I found your ad hominem! I find it hilarious someone who thoughtlessly and collectively shits on his country's entire collection of cities (read: most of the citizens) calls others anti-American. Irony at its finest!

This completely overshadowed an otherwise solid argument.

 

[FL4W]

Ah, here it is! Cal, I found your ad hominem! I find it hilarious someone who thoughtlessly and collectively shits on his country's entire collection of cities (read: most of the citizens) calls others anti-American. Irony at its finest!

This completely overshadowed an otherwise solid argument.

I don't want my vocabulary to be the hill I die on. I take it back cities like San Francisco are not shitholes despite having thousands of homeless defecating on the streets.[DOUBLEPOST=1564975811][/DOUBLEPOST]I'm just going to leave this here: https://www.openthebooks.com/map/?Map=32504&MapType=Pin&Zip=94103

 

[jxhdvn]

I don’t think banning guns is the solution but what we have seen so far is that this administration and this Congress cannot put in actual improvements to the country for gun control that would provide that same safe effect we would desire. I’m all for solving mental health issues and making it harder for people to get guns but when will what I just said actually happen?

 

[NurdehMC]

Guns aren't just protection from other citizens and terrorist, they are also used to protect ourselves from a corrupt government. Hitler took away guns in Germany from their citizens, and they turned out just fine, right? No, they disarmed Jews and helped eliminate 6 million Jews during the Holocaust. They had no protection, neither did Hitler's political enemies. By controlling guns in Nazi Germany, the world was at risk. Now think if one of the world's superpowers took away the right to bear arms, I wonder how the government would like that?

I would suggest not listening to media, but researching history, because believe it or not, history repeats itself if people are blinded by media. Our founding fathers didn't give us rights to bear arms so that shootings could happen, they based it off of the protection from at the time, Great Britain.

The reason why most shootings occur is because of mental health. No one in the right mind would heartlessly kill people, because naturally, people aren't inclined to kill people. The mental health of these individuals are being affected by rejection, not being "cool" enough, being raised wrongly, being abused, etc. etc. It sounds to me like people are causing these shootings, which leads to death, correct? Therefore, people kill people, because people initially caused it by treating people wrongly, or not getting people proper health.

People kill people as I stated before, not guns. If you think otherwise, I want you to lay a gun on the table and ask it to kill someone. To some people's surprise, it won't do anything if a human doesn't pull the trigger. If everyone in the world was in perfect mental health and were all nice and dandy, this controversial discussion wouldn't have the need to be discussed. It's bad, and mentally ill people who do this. No nice person wants to take away the life of someone else.

In my opinion, the media is blinding people from our rights to protect ourselves, and outweighing it with the common perception that guns create more problems than it solves. If we didn't have any bad people in the world, heck, we wouldn't even need to have guns besides for killing animals. In my eyes, people are causing more problems than it solves, not guns.

disagree? well i dont care

 

[FL4W]

I don’t think banning guns is the solution but what we have seen so far is that this administration and this Congress cannot put in actual improvements to the country for gun control that would provide that same safe effect we would desire. I’m all for solving mental health issues and making it harder for people to get guns but when will what I just said actually happen?

Why should we make it harder to get guns? There is already a federal background check on all sales made by licensed dealers. I do agree though that everyone seems to talk about mental health but no one can offer realistic solutions in combating it.

 

[jxhdvn]

Why should we make it harder to get guns? There is already a federal background check on all sales made by licensed dealers. I do agree though that everyone seems to talk about mental health but no one can offer realistic solutions in combating it.

So it wouldn’t be necessarily easy to get your hands on a gun. I’m just stating my beliefs and I do realize every action has a consequence (black market) so I’m saying that as a generality

 

[Water]

Why should we make it harder to get guns? There is already a federal background check on all sales made by licensed dealers. I do agree though that everyone seems to talk about mental health but no one can offer realistic solutions in combating it.

Honestly, the background checks are laughable, like you constantly hear about people legally buying weapons that simply never should've had them..

 

[FL4W]

Honestly, the background checks are laughable, like you constantly hear about people legally buying weapons that simply never should've had them..

Those are hiccups in the existing system. If the existing laws aren't enforced properly you don't just legislate more laws.

 

[Water]

Those are hiccups in the existing system. If the existing laws aren't enforced properly you don't just legislate more laws.

I mean that's not necessarily a fact, like I'm sure the people who allowed a mentally unsafe person to have a weapon don't get more than a slap on the wrist. There definitely is more legislation to be done when it comes to background checks/gun purchasing.

 

[NurdehMC]

if anyone wants to legit argue (or discuss bruh ) about this jank on a voice call, add me on discord Mat#0716

i kinda wanna hear some of yall pro gun control opinions

 

[FL4W]

I mean that's not necessarily a fact, like I'm sure the people who allowed a mentally unsafe person to have a weapon don't get more than a slap on the wrist. There definitely is more legislation to be done when it comes to background checks/gun purchasing.

You don't understand what a background check is. Having actually gone through the process, I have first hand experience. The current system is largely automated so there isn't one person sitting in an office making a decision if someone is allowed to purchase a firearm. The FBI has a working database that includes everyone who would not be qualified to buy. If your name matches someone on the list you are turned away, and if the shop owner still sells you the gun that is a felony.

 

[FL4W]

Woah. It's as if making guns illegal for non-permit holders is working in places like Australia and New Zealand.
Amazing stuff.

All these idiots like "OmG I nEeD a GuN"
No, you fucking don't and if you do you get a permit.

What does a permit do though? Many of these shooters had clean records and legally owned their guns. In other words they would have had no problem getting permits if they existed.

In Maryland there is a HQL, handgun qualification license. Look up the Annapolis shooting. Guess what he had? A legally owned revolver, he even had the permit for it.

 

[Vexxun]

Taking away guns. Guns arent just used for protection. Guns can be used for hunting, shooting at targets. Heck even the Olympics have pistol shooting. Taking away guns would be limiting our freedom and the ability to have free choice.

Now I'm not saying that all people should have guns. I believe that there should be much more barriers in place to be able to purchase and/or sell guns.

To amend the words from someone above. Most shootings that happen, happen in gun free zones. This is very true.

Guns can be obtained in many ways.. illegally.

 

[FL4W]

Permits sound more like a handicap on law abiding citizens than a hinderance on mass shooters.

 

[FL4W]

We have not had a mass shooting since 1996 and even then that was 34 people killed.

I don't know how people can argue against me.

You’re Aussie I assume? I need you to do your homework please. Australia was experiencing a decline in violent crime, before and after. The shooting was a one off and there hasn’t been one before or after.

You know there are more guns now than ever in Australia right?

 

[Satan]

As my AP US history teacher once said, if people have a problem with banning guns, then let them keep using them.

Just raise the price of bullets/magazine ammunitions its the bullet that does damage, not the gun unless in a melee fight

 

[FL4W]

As my AP US history teacher once said, if people have a problem with banning guns, then let them keep using them.

Just raise the price of bullets/magazine ammunitions its the bullet that does damage, not the gun unless in a melee fight

Wow another unrealistic solution to a falsely identified problem. America is the most armed nation in the world. Do you realize how long it would take for the second hand market to dry up?