Modify/Delete rule 1.8

[Tommy W]

So, we've all been there.
Getting warned for leaving a vouch on a thread.

It is NOT a useless thing, if anything it is useful.

It lets people know:
They had a deal together.
Their service is good.

It also encourages someone to deal with the seller.

The thread OP doesn't mind it, in fact they like it as it is a positive comment on their thread.

I think people saying something like "Vouch" should be allowed, as long as they specify why they are vouching.

Something like this should be allowed:
Vouch, bought {item} from them.
It is not "stating the obvious", it could be something like a discord bot thread and you could say:
"Vouch, bought a ticketing system bot from them."

I don't see why it should not be allowed, not even a generic vouch response, as it just helps the thread OP and it is their thread and they don't take it as trashing or anything.

How is it unnecessary bumping only when it is short, even if it is a long vouch, it can still be considered unnecessary.

People don't want to check everyone's rep all the time, and even a simple comment on the thread saying: "vouch", shows that they had a successful deal and all went well.

Soon enough, on the feedback section, someone will say: "Looks nice", and receive warning points...

 

[DeadDuality]

"Vouch, bought an automated ticketing system from them!"

This on itself already says a deal went right. You know that, everyone knows that. But you still want it written out. The deal was positive and positive enough to vouch for them. But oh well, means nothing right?

If it was on a post that only offered an automated ticket system, then yes kind of. You can say how quickly someone finished the deal, what features, why you like it, communication habits, etc. It's too short, and it is redundant to say what you bought on a post selling a single item.

Though administrative staff are more than capable of setting a minimum character limit to physically prevent that, or capable of finding something that will let them do that.

 

[Kram]

"Vouch, bought an automated ticketing system from them!"

This on itself already says a deal went right. You know that, everyone knows that. But you still want it written out. The deal was positive and positive enough to vouch for them. But oh well, means nothing right?

So let's take that example as it was an actual vouch that was removed. The thread they posted it on had a list of the orders they had done and in that list, "Tommy W - Automatic freelancer payment system." was on it. So reading the thread I already know the deal that was done, I can assume the deal went positive if it was mentioned and there is no devouch. However, I don't know anything about the deal. As a potential future buyer I would love to know if the person was quick in making the ticketing system, were they kind/professional, there is so much you can say and just 1 line adding what made you want to vouch for them would help someone. Just seeing vouch really doesn't differentiate this bot making to any other bot maker. If I see many vouches saying that they made their bot quickly, and that is something that matters to me I'll know that is likely what I'll get. It isn't much to ask and I believe it significantly improves the quality of the post.

 

[pet]

Instead of being so oblivious and not listening, we the community want this change. We're the users of this website, and if we want a change that the majority supports then let's do it. Afterall you're just supposed to help us out, but by denying something the whole community wants, you're doing the exact opposite.

Just let us have this....

I'm not saying you're not doing a great job (staff team) cause you are, but when it comes to things like these you have to let go sometimes...

 

[Aekalix]

So let's take that example as it was an actual vouch that was removed. The thread they posted it on had a list of the orders they had done and in that list, "Tommy W - Automatic freelancer payment system." was on it. So reading the thread I already know the deal that was done, I can assume the deal went positive if it was mentioned and there is no devouch. However, I don't know anything about the deal. As a potential future buyer I would love to know if the person was quick in making the ticketing system, were they kind/professional, there is so much you can say and just 1 line adding what made you want to vouch for them would help someone. Just seeing vouch really doesn't differentiate this bot making to any other bot maker. If I see many vouches saying that they made their bot quickly, and that is something that matters to me I'll know that is likely what I'll get. It isn't much to ask and I believe it significantly improves the quality of the post.

Person anecdotal evidence, nice.

But then again, the vouch was valid. Just because it was not as descriptive as YOU want it to be, does not mean it's not a vouch worth keeping. If you step away from subjective thinking (as your post is only but subjective), the vouch still matters. A deal still went good and the person was happy. If you remove it you are saying: 'No, no deal was made, you were not happy with the product just because you did not say if the deal went quick or not!"

See how that sounds ridiculous?

 

[Kram]

Person anecdotal evidence, nice.

But then again, the vouch was valid. Just because it was not as descriptive as YOU want it to be, does not mean it's not a vouch worth keeping. If you step away from subjective thinking (as your post is only but subjective), the vouch still matters. A deal still went good and the person was happy. If you remove it you are saying: 'No, no deal was made, you were not happy with the product just because you did not say if the deal went quick or not!"

See how that sounds ridiculous?

You're right, it is subjective on whether "vouch, bought this product" means something or not. To me, it doesn't. People use vouch so much that I don't think it carries a lot of value. Just because you didn't vouch for the product doesn't mean you were not happy with it, you just didn't have anything really good to say about it. A deal was done, both parties went about their day. If you are going to write a vouch I believe you can take the extra minute to say what about the deal made you happy. That is what makes it meaningful compared to all the other vouches that are given. If one thread has vouches about the speediness of the bot and another has vouches about how kind the person was, it becomes up to the buyer to see those vouches and with those vouches, they now know more about the service/product than before they read the vouch. Requiring a little extra thought into vouches just makes vouches important and meaningful to a higher percentage of people.

 

[Aekalix]

You're right, it is subjective on whether "vouch, bought this product" means something or not. To me, it doesn't. People use vouch so much that I don't think it carries a lot of value. Just because you didn't vouch for the product doesn't mean you were not happy with it, you just didn't have anything really good to say about it. A deal was done, both parties went about their day. If you are going to write a vouch I believe you can take the extra minute to say what about the deal made you happy. That is what makes it meaningful compared to all the other vouches that are given. If one thread has vouches about the speediness of the bot and another has vouches about how kind the person was, it becomes up to the buyer to see those vouches and with those vouches, they now know more about the service/product than before they read the vouch. Requiring a little extra thought into vouches just makes vouches important and meaningful to a higher percentage of people.

A fully agree!

But that does not give you the reason to remove the other vouches.

 

[901cosmic]

You're right, it is subjective on whether "vouch, bought this product" means something or not. To me, it doesn't. People use vouch so much that I don't think it carries a lot of value. Just because you didn't vouch for the product doesn't mean you were not happy with it, you just didn't have anything really good to say about it. A deal was done, both parties went about their day. If you are going to write a vouch I believe you can take the extra minute to say what about the deal made you happy. That is what makes it meaningful compared to all the other vouches that are given. If one thread has vouches about the speediness of the bot and another has vouches about how kind the person was, it becomes up to the buyer to see those vouches and with those vouches, they now know more about the service/product than before they read the vouch. Requiring a little extra thought into vouches just makes vouches important and meaningful to a higher percentage of people.

Maybe Jason the developer should add a new thing called Vouch posts, where you vouch on that thread and it pops up like a little reaction, and it saids Vouch then the reason he vouched, and then there could be a devouch and a reason.

 

[DarkKnights22]

+1, let's get this to at least 60 agrees

 

[Ted]

May I ask what even is this rule?
1.8.3 Do not vouch on a product/service thread unless you have purchased that product/service. User vouches should be done via the reputation system.
This means anyone vouching threads should get points? It's breaking 1.8.3.. From the looks of it.

 

[Tommy W]

Glad to see people Up Vote this!

 

[bt2S5NpQVjX9yGNKJ]

Similar to reputation, there is no reason to reply to a thread with just "vouch" or "vouch I bought this"
It gives no idea to future buyers what was good about the deal, did something stand out, etc.
It doesn't even need to be as detailed as reputation is in my opinion.
As a potential buyer, there are a variety of things I would love to know such as the personality of the person I would be dealing with, whether they were helpful, were they responsive, etc.
Not all vouches get removed, something like
"User was very quick with the work. He completed my request in a very timely manner and updated me frequently!"
is an example of what I would consider actually helpful to a buyer and gives a good idea of what the type of service they will be receiving if they go with this person and adds to the thread.
1.8 Do not post content which is extremely low in quality, irrelevant, redundant, unnecessary, or meaningless. (e.g: “Looks nice, GLWS”, “Vouch, bought an {item}”)
1.8.1 Do not post content to which a reaction could have been substitute, or which was already made apparent.
1.8.2 Do not post content whose only purpose is to bump a thread.
1.8.3 Do not vouch on a product/service thread unless you have purchased that product/service. User vouches should be done via the reputation system.
Nothing in rule 1.8 says you cannot leave vouches in general. It states that low-quality vouches cannot be posted and that user vouches cannot be posted.

I get that this is a joke but I think it needs to be clear that the vouch doesn't necessarily need to be long, it just needs to be informative by giving insight into how the deal went.

Adding on to that to say if the user was kind, helpful, professional, active, quick, would be a simple way to actually provide something useful to people. The seller can easily say what they are capable of doing, but what is helpful to buyers is other buyers saying if the experience of buying something from the seller was any good.

Everyone is affected by the rule, nobody is immune to rule 1.8. However, there are many posts and we don't look at every thread and post on the forum, we deal with the posts that get reported to us. If you see a low-quality post, then report it and it will be handled. I don't think banning a word does any good, you can say vouch, just not by itself, there needs to be something informative to go along with saying vouch.

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I think they disagree with you..

 

[Terminated]

Why would you ever need to vouch someones thread when you can rep them? It's not necessary

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[DarkKnights22]

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I think they disagree with you..

HM yeh I think so too

 

[Tommy W]

HM yeh I think so too

Same

 

[bt2S5NpQVjX9yGNKJ]

Spoiler: Massive Win against 1.8.

Hello 04m I would just like to say I have removed your warning and added your comment back as after I re looked at your comment it was clear that you did put it on more detail. I would like to say sorry for the mistake

 

[DarkKnights22]

Spoiler: Massive Win against 1.8.

Hello 04m I would just like to say I have removed your warning and added your comment back as after I re looked at your comment it was clear that you did put it on more detail. I would like to say sorry for the mistake

Lmao who was that from?

 

[bt2S5NpQVjX9yGNKJ]

Lmao who was that from?

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