Release IP and Email

[Hentai]

This is a very apparent thing now, more and more scammers.

To combat this, firstly upgrade the antiVPN system as its easily bypassed by free software.
AND leak the email and IP of the banned users.

Why show mercy to scammers that have banned and will be banned?
If your not planning on scamming this should not be any worry to you at all.

But I can see how someone who could falsely be banned would be mad, so maybe give it a few days for any extra evidence to show up just in case.

 

[buildblox]

Now, while I believe this method doesn't really add up legally, more should be done to scammers. This entire mentality of "but it's just a block game" needs to be forgotten. Scams here need to have real consequences, or else no one will take the bans seriously.

You may laugh at this now, but believe me: if scammers knew that a scam is going to bite them back in the future, we would, undoubtedly, have less scammers. We just need to come to a rational and effectively legal agreement on how to settle this.

 

[PepegaGamer]

Posting lists of IPs is not illegal.

But it's Cyber Targeting which is civilly wrong.

 

[EpicFooF]

Oh, you pretty angels.
I hope this will get accepted so scammers will get what they deserve.
If they scam it's their own problem, I don't see why you keep defending them.

 

[Ivain]

Oh, you pretty angels.
I hope this will get accepted so scammers will get what they deserve.
If they scam it's their own problem, I don't see why you keep defending them.

We're not defending scammers. However, making them public targets would make McM responsible for the consequences.
MCM is not outside the law, even if most activity ON it is. If a bunch of people on this site decide to start going down a list of scammers with DDoS attacks or Doxing their entire home adress and shit, then, say, ordering 50 pizzas with pay-at-the-door and shit like that, McM could be held responsible for handing out that data.

If you want to target scammers so badly, go to the police and have them request the scammer's info from MCM. Or hire a lawyer.

On another note, imagine being convicted of scamming, yet a few weeks later it turns out the accuser cleverly faked evidence. This has happened, and will continue to happen. Sure, it's not nearly as common as legit scams, but you just published the email and IP of an innocent person who was framed. Congratulations, you just ruined someone's fucking life, because the buddies of the guy that framed him will still use it.

There is no reason to hand out people's data other than people trying to get revenge. And MCM should not be part of that.
If you want people's IP's that badly, you can get them through other means that do not require MCM to take part in them. And if they use a VPN to hide their real IP, and an email generator to hide their REALY email, then MCM won't have that data anyway.

 

[Eqs]

This is one of the dumbest suggestions that I have ever read.

 

[Ivain]

lets look at it differently.
How is this going to stop scammers?
it's not, except maybe the noobs.
Ip's are widely changeable through VPNs. Emails are widely changeable through email generators.
If I found myself targeted by a bunch of angry dickwads through my IP and email, I'd change my IP (either through resetting the router or contacting my ISP) and change my email-address. I can do this as easily as changing my clothes. Why should a scammer be any different?
The only ones you're gonna get with this are the sad, pathetic, inexperienced 12-y olds. You're gonna DDoS a little kid until you make him cry. Guess that teaches him for scamming, right? yeah, it does. Except 20 other people who are joining you in your revenge are gonna do the same, because the kid's IP is listed as that of a scammer.
If you find his email, you could perhaps use it to trace his parents and tell them their kid is becoming a small criminal online, and to take action on it.
Yet other people would simply send him spam with infected links, which fucks up the computer his little sister does her homework on.

Data can be misused in so many ways if the people whose data it is do not know how to protect themselves, that it isn't worth it.
most proper scammers will know how to protect themselves. Most newbies will not.
But look at the amount of ban evaders on MCM to see how much an IP affects a scammer. none at all. Yet it has a chance of affecting people who legit fucked up and couldn't pay the money in time.

Im sure the majority of the people in the scam reports section who couldn't pay their contractors because of financial fuckups are fakers, but the minority remaining would be legit. These are people whose lives are ALREADY fucked up, and those would be targeted too.

TLDR: The consequences are not worth the very minimal gain that this would result in. The majority of that gain being revenge.

 

[Ivain]

Ok, the Ip's would not, but the email still would.
Maintstream VPNs are blocked ,but there's still ban evaders so there's still VPNs. even without VPN's, there's still Dynamic Ip's.

As I've said, this tactic does not 'block' scammers. If they've already been banned on MCM and VPN blocking was perfect, their info would not be relevant for people dealing via MCM only.
People dealing outside of MCM would still be vulnerable to the use of VPNs.

My point is that this action does not make any great contribution to 'blocking' scammers, while it does increase risks for people that aren't actually scammers.

 

[Ivain]

So your argument is that its safe to release people's data, because the scammers are immune anyway (by my own argument)?
What, exactly, is it supposed to accomplish if the data of scammers is released but they can change it as they wish?
You wouldnt be able to tell shit about it, since the scammer would have new data. Yet people that got banned for being unable to pay for something (which is a stupid mistake but an honest one) would be listed among that.

Apart from that, what of false positives? You have never been a mod so you wouldn't know, but MCM has a LOT of false positives when it comes to people's IP matching. The IP that mods have access to also does not go to as far as the ones you listed. It's usually only 3 sets of figures, if I remember correctly, so not even the full detailed IP. So people matching Ip's that got released would involve falsely incriminating people completely unrelated to it as well.

Anyway it's clear we're not gonna change each other's minds
I'm vehemently opposed to the very principle of handing out data to the public, or to anyone but the authorities in charge of dealing with a specific kind of crime. If you want to make a blacklist, go ahead, but do so without the use of MCM's contribution.

 

[Overlord]

Both emails and IPs are covered under privacy polices. I don't know about Australia, but the site serves US and EU users. US has strict privacy laws, and the EU is another level.

This site doesn't even seem to have a privacy policy. But nobody reports the site, so nobody cares.

If you scam, you'll get away with it (legally). $5 isn't worth anyone's time. If you start releasing IPs and (especially) emails, it's not only going to be a violation of strict privacy laws, it's going to make people want to close their accounts, and could mean people (aka, scammers even) actually have a reason to report this site to various agencies. I guarantee an investigation into this site would not be good. There's a history of tax evasions for many years, and there are clear privacy and data protection violations too.

Not only is this going to be harmful legally, it's a stupid idea in general.

 

[Dragonfly]

yeah, but the NSA are bogus in comparison to the fact that right now, a bunch of excuses for government employees are voting to gut laws protecting US citizens from having their internet browsing history data sold to advertisers without their permission.
So anyone in the US not yet using a VPN, you best do so now. I'll probs start doing it anyway even though I dont live in the US.
Dont use US-hosted VPN's though.

Actually, ISPs can spy on you just like they have for the past decade. Obama implemented new rules saying they cannot which were supposed to take affect this week, but the congress used the review act to strike them down and let ISPs continue what they've always done.

 

[Ajdin]

VPN's are blocked on here and [hopefully] generated email domains such as gorilla mail, or 10 minute mail.

VPN's are no longer blocked and the blocked email list hasn't been updated since I left.

 

[Ajdin]

VPN's were blocked last time I checked, three days ago or so.

Weird. I'm always browsing with my OVH or DigitalOcean VPN.