Remove entire reputation system

[Matt D]

Hi MC-Market,

I've been on this market almost since it began back in 2014 and this entire site has changed. It's no longer an opportunity to find quality work as the quality services are hidden inbetween these "highly reputable" community members. I used to be a really active user as I could find people that wont scam me out of every flipping dollar I own, now people are worried to use their site as what would be a "reputable" user is now just everyone that begs their staff on their server, every time they talk in discord/skype. It's worthless. Now let me get a couple examples,

- http://prntscr.com/fp2pd2
- http://prntscr.com/fp2pgs

^ How is that even reputation, that's just telling people the kind of person he is, it is completely irrelevant to whether he can provide a good service. Secondly, anyone that has more than 50 positive reputations is clearly begging that even dollar that leaves their paypal or enters, they must be given a reputation, just as a word of warning, reputation points aren't candies in a toffee box, you have to at least do something for them.

I had a small opportunity to discuss with Mick what his opinions were of the current system and here is the chat log. He understands that it needs changing.

- http://prntscr.com/fp2rwo

My overall judgement is.

- Scrap it

or

- Enforce new guidelines & make it a rule not to beg for vouches/reputations.

Cheers.

(I'm aware its already been posted before, don't remind me, its important since Mick has agreed that the system is poor too).

 

[morganjp]

Hi MC-Market,
^ How is that even reputation, that's just telling people the kind of person he is, it is completely irrelevant to whether he can provide a good service.

http://www.mc-market.org/policies/rules/

If someone has a negative opinion of you, and you wish to improve your reputation, it is your responsibility to improve their opinion of you and therefore your reputation via communication with the reputation author.

Judging from what it says in there, the reputation system is intended to show what kind of person someone is. That's the purpose of it. I think the actual issue is how people decide to perceive the word reputation.[DOUBLEPOST=1499272641][/DOUBLEPOST]

i hate the fact that a user decided to add a negetive rep because he failed to scam me which makes me rethink the whole reputation system

If you actually read it properly, their negative reputation says that you attempted to scam them.
There is actually a report button you know.

Click the reputation, and then click this button:

Just don't abuse it.

 

[Picturesque]

http://www.mc-market.org/policies/rules/


Judging from what it says in there, the reputation system is intended to show what kind of person someone is. That's the purpose of it. I think the actual issue is how people decide to perceive the word reputation.[DOUBLEPOST=1499272641][/DOUBLEPOST]
If you actually read it properly, their negative reputation says that you attempted to scam them.
There is actually a report button you know.

Click the reputation, and then click this button:

Just don't abuse it.

After reporting it got removed then he did it again so rn his acc is suspended and I'm just waiting for the rep to be removed thanks anyways for the tip

 

[Spoch]

I have a hard time finding anything to do here as everyone blindly trust the reputation system. I've been a member for a few days and I have no reputation. Nobody even trusts me enough for people to give me their plugin ideas so I can make them for free (Hoping to gain reputation in the process).

 

[Cal]

I disagree.
The reputation system allows for me to easily tell if I can trust a client that may want to purchase my service, or what type of loan they qualify for etc. The reputation farming thing is quite annoying though it is how new members get to being considered trusted. It is more of an ease thing than anything else.

 

[Matt D]

If we look at the proportion of people disagreeing with my point, they are pretty much all highly "reputable" people with their 10+ positive reputations. Therefore, the results of this suggestion are generalised upon the persons reputation, if we were discussing whether or not to release this system, I'm pretty sure the people that have reputation would not agree with the introduction of said system. It's bias and shouldn't be used to generate a public image for a user in a professional environment, end of story from my side, anyone that believes its required are just afraid they will lose their 10+ positive reputation and may perhaps lose business.

 

[Gojo]

I disagree.
The reputation system allows for me to easily tell if I can trust a client that may want to purchase my service

Are you serious? In the real world if you owned any sort of business you'd go bankrupt if you denied business all because they do not have people that can vouch for them. There is a very small percent of users on this website that have a high reputation, if you only accept business from that small percentage you have to be silly.

Suppose you own a lawn care business. You would absolutely never deny your services just because they don't have several of people backing them up. As long as the client has money and a lawn to mow you shouldn't have to care about his reputation. If anything, he should be worried about your reputation and if you will get the job done on time and as promised, not the other way around.

 

[EpicFooF]

The whole system should be removed. Or replaced with a new DIFFERENT one.
I am scared to give someone a negative rep because he will do the same to me for a false reason but then the moderators will decide its a true reputation for some reason.

I really want to give someone a negative rep but he will 100% do the same as a revenge and he clearly has no reason to do it.

 

[Aekalix]

Sadly if you're a developer you've just got to grind, get vouch copies and make them to a high standard, once you have those vouches you can start getting more clients, I did a 35% off sale when I first started and got a ton of customers, that's how I built my foundation.

Not only developers though, everyone with a proper (time consuming) service has to grind. But offering vouch copies is not the way to go.[DOUBLEPOST=1499687365][/DOUBLEPOST]

Couldn't agree more.

I don't base business on here based on rep. I base business on here by **FUNDING**. If you have a real TOS, know how to work paypal and your environment, and have the right team backing you, nothing sets apart a customer with 90 rep from one with 0. All that matters is can they pay and will they bite. I don't understand how anyone who offers a service here other than loans and investments can even use rep as a qualification to get the work done. Proof of funds, TOS, 50-75% up front, multiple witnesses, backup plan within TOS to resell item in case you can't complete payment, scammers be gone. Pretty simple.

Preach, people that offer services should not be able to be scammed. I fought a few chargebacks won them all, why? I keep records of everything. Proof of transaction, invoices when it's a high amount and a lot more anti-scam stuff. You can only be scammed if you are a dumb man who pays F&F to an untrustworthy user. If someone only accepts F&F it's basically a huge red flag.
Next time you read that think about this flag:

Spoiler: red flag

I still don't think there is anything wrong with the reputation system. You guys make it wrong by using it the wrong way.

 

[Ivain]

I have no fucking idea how, I see people getting loaded 20-30 rep and they have joined less than a month before me, it is kind of a rigged system but whatever.

That's because they're doing loads of small deals and/or sucking up (or sometimes straight up buying, though those usually get ousted sooner or later)

 

[Vexxun]

It's hards for the new comers to gain rep.

 

[EpicFooF]

It's hards for the new comers to gain rep.

no

 

[Ivain]

Its not at all difficult for newcomers to gain reputation. do a few free or low-cost jobs, ask them to leave feedback (you cant ask for a specific type of rep), then you've got a bit of rep and you can start snowballing.